First Gracemont laptop available for sale.
Anybody got disposable $500 to buy and test this laptop?
If Intel hadn't sold them their crappy CPUs, they wouldn't waste valuable materials creating junk laptops.Eventually device prices will reflect the BOM.
The problem is it's not cheap, for Under $300 it would make sense, but current price no reason to buy N305 over i3 1215u or 1220p.So let me get this straight. You think the only purpose of having cheap, low end products is to dupe people? You're just trolling at this point.
The 3150U was competing with Intel's Core-based Pentium/Celeron products. Until Mendocino, AMD didn't really have an N-series competitor.That's not as pathetic as the N4500 or N6000 that don't even feature AVX2.
Even the Athlon 3150U has AVX2.
So your argument is that low end devices straight up shouldn't exist? As I said, simply ridiculous.If Intel hadn't sold them their crappy CPUs, they wouldn't waste valuable materials creating junk laptops.
Sure, but that's simply an imbalance in retail prices that (as we've been seeing) will correct itself over time. It's not like the actual BOM is the same for a 1215u or 1220p.The problem is it's not cheap, for Under $300 it would make sense, but current price no reason to buy N305 over i3 1215u or 1220p.
IdeaPad 1i with 1215u is just $245 Amazon, with 128/4GB configuration. It's not premium device by any means but performance wise it's hard to beat.Not cheap. Intel's Atom/NXXXX series is not priced as low as the performance it delivers and you would get at least twice the performance if you put the same money towards a slightly older used i3 or i5 machine. But the average consumer doesn't know this so they get duped out of their money.
AMD used to do this too with their A6/A8/A10 series of anemic CPUs but they have since redeemed themselves by flooding the market with very affordable Ryzen 5500U laptops that are often cheaper than some good Intel i3-1115G4/i5-1135G7 laptops. I've even seen funny cases where the 5400U laptop is priced higher than 5500U.
Pro Tip: Anyone looking for a great cheap laptop, search for HP i3-1125G4 laptop. In my country of residence, it is selling for about $300 with 8 threads! I have the 17.3 inch one with a plastic body and upgraded it to 32GB RAM and it is excellent so far.
I understand all that and the rest you said (which I edited out for space reasons)3700u is the Zen+ based Picasso APU.
5300u is the Zen2 based Lucienne/Renoir APU.
Zen2 got a huge SIMD IPC boost to AVX perf as well as a 15% scalar IPC boost.
TGL 8c: 198mm²rhetorical question for I did a quick google search and I have not seen it there.
What are the various die sizes of Intel's " Intel 7 " process for Alder Lake (12th gen), Raptor Lake (13th gen), and so on? How much larger are these die sizes?
You mean to say it has problems with Firefox in Ubuntu.Mini PC with Core i3-N305 review: https://www.cnx-software.com/2023/03/18/intel-core-i3-n305-mini-pc-review-windows-11-ubuntu-22-04/
Performs better in Linux than Windows.
Has problems with 4K60 videos, at least in Firefox.
The 8 cores are really decent, but again the GPU is the issue. if it has at least a low end Arc GPU or a low end nVIDIA GPU it would make the experience aceptable.I bought one for my mom, /w Atom CPU. Cuteness factor 11, usability... complicated.
I would still need to see how Gracemon behaves in this configuration, for example how responsive the iGPU is during browser page rendering, but I'm sure the compute power of the 8-core is good enough for a nice Windows experience. The most annoying thing about underpowered Win machine is the freeze that happens when the OS throws everything at it during login or during updates. The 8-core won't have problems with that, the 4-core will probably be acceptable.
Anyway, the first step is getting the price in the right direction, and as @rUmX mentioned the price just "dropped" to $350 for the Acer machine. I'm pretty sure this isn't a true discount and more likely the real price target for such a product. Now all we need to do is wait for @igor_kavinski to buy one!
Add a dGPU on it and it became a decent machine for everyday use.If Intel would stop treating these cores like budget cores, they could have some real potential. Give me 8-16 well binned 'mont cores on an SBC or in a Mini PC. Preferably in the 3-4 ghz. I would pay a premium for that provided the power numbers aren't outrageous. Skylake level IPC with AVX scaled to 16 cores? Yes please. That would be a pretty amazing little box. I would probably be inclined to buy several of them for a project I am working on where I need "Okay" single core performance in a small form factor with low power consumption....possibly hundreds or thousands if the project takes off and is successful.
If Intel would stop treating these cores like budget cores, they could have some real potential. Give me 8-16 well binned 'mont cores on an SBC or in a Mini PC. Preferably in the 3-4 ghz. I would pay a premium for that provided the power numbers aren't outrageous. Skylake level IPC with AVX scaled to 16 cores? Yes please. That would be a pretty amazing little box. I would probably be inclined to buy several of them for a project I am working on where I need "Okay" single core performance in a small form factor with low power consumption....possibly hundreds or thousands if the project takes off and is successful.
Why it over i3 1215u or i3 1220p? Because these are faster, more efficient, cheaper and for around $500 you can get them with dedicated gpu Atleast in Asian markets.Add a dGPU on it and it became a decent machine for everyday use.
A 12 or 16 small core design with a GTX 1650 Ti GPU would make it a perfect device to use.
Thread count. With 8 threads the Core wins big time, but with more, the situation changes since the Atom are no longer weakWhy it over i3 1215u or i3 1220p? Because these are faster, more efficient, cheaper and for around $500 you can get them with dedicated gpu Atleast in Asian markets.
i3-1220p has 10 threadThread count. With 8 threads the Core wins big time, but with more, the situation changes since the Atom are no longer weak
The RasPi people made a keyboard with their RP4 hw, would be interesting to see AIO's like that for x86 PCs.Damn, now that's a true nano PC!
You just described Laptops san Battery and Display.The RasPi people made a keyboard with their RP4 hw, would be interesting to see AIO's like that for x86 PCs.
Lol, Logitech as the newest OEM PC vendor would be hilarious 😂
Quite on purpose.You just described Laptops san Battery and Display.
Like frame.work?Sidenote can we have modular laptops?
Yes like framework but a little more simple even if this is the right affective direction I want it to go.Like frame.work?