First Gracemont laptop available for sale.
Anybody got disposable $500 to buy and test this laptop?
Fabless? Intel sold their fabs? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...STH has fabless N100/N200 systems in for some testing
Surely he meant "fabulous".Fabless? Intel sold their fabs? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...
Seeing more monts on slickdeals
for $135 on sale GK3 Plus Mini PC: Intel 12th Gen N95 (Up to 3.4GHz), 8GB DDR4, 256GB SSD
for $150 on sale T-Bao N100 Mini PC 12th Gen Intel Alder Lake N100, 8GB DDR5, 256GB SSD
not recommending for or against, just sharing so people get a rough idea on prices and are more familiar with models and brands.
It depends on your contry world level, if you live on a >= 3 world contry you get to see all this amazing soldered soc itx boards using stock they could not sell anywhere else.Might be of interest to some here, a mini ITX N100 board from Asus:
PRIME N100I-D D4｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global
ASUS Prime series is expertly engineered to unleash the full potential of AMD and Intel processors. Boasting a robust power design, comprehensive cooling solutions and intelligent tuning options, Prime series motherboards provide daily users and DIY PC builders a range of performance tuning...www.asus.com
Seems like it might be available for consumers because of Prime branding.
Even more, it has enough CPU power for basic gaming. And if goes with the N300, it might become a very decent gaming experience.It depends on your contry world level, if you live on a >= 3 world contry you get to see all this amazing soldered soc itx boards using stock they could not sell anywhere else.
Here i saw it all:
Gigabyte GA-E6010N
Gigabyte GA-E3800N
Gigabyte GA-E3000N
Gigabyte GA-E2500N
Asrock QC6000M
Asrock J3355B-ITX
Biostar A68N-2100K
Biostar A10N-8800E (this was honestely not bad but ran out quickly)
Biostar A68N-5600E
Asus J4005I-C
The AMD 4700S one.
And lately the somewhat better and good ones:
-Biostar J4105NHU
-Biostar J4125NHU
-N5105I H (rev. 1.0)
It seems that Asrock and Asus are going for N100 boards far faster that i expected.
What i dont understand is why no one seems to be going for a x4 3.0 PCIE slot, either open ended or a x16 with x4 electrical, they dont have enoght pcie lanes por this? x4 3.0 is viable with a cheap gpu for gaming.
Here no one bother with those weak cpu though, mostly its used market and you can get really good cpu for less than $200. Just donate those low profile dedicated Gpu like A2000.I hope they donate all the pre-N100 mini-ITX mobos to Africa. We need to move on. Progress in this space has been stale for far too long.
Not many reviews on single board computers are ever made. I use liliputing.com as they tend to have the best SBC reviews. So far, they just have an announcement and not a real review:Any SBCs using the N305 yet (and why is Intel charging so much for it??? More than twice the price for twice the cores)? It looks like a pretty decent low TDP chip, though I am having a hard time finding PL2/PL4 numbers...they aren't on Ark.
You know better than that.Any SBCs using the N305 yet (and why is Intel charging so much for it??? More than twice the price for twice the cores)? It looks like a pretty decent low TDP chip, though I am having a hard time finding PL2/PL4 numbers...they aren't on Ark.
My main driver is a Kabylake-Y device with PL1 at 5W and PL2 at 15W. Sometimes, the PL1 is set at 7W, and system RAM at 8GB. I've never seen it reach 15W though.That reminds me I put together an N100 system using the ASRock N100DC-ITX board about a month ago. More as a Raspberry Pi replacement. But it turns out to be quite snappy and totally usable as a desktop. Surprising for a fanless, DC board limited to a single channel of DDR4-3200. Everything worked out of the box with recent Linux distros (I tried Fedora 39 and Ubuntu 23.10).
Here's some GB5 scores: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/22021204
Ooh nice find! I am going to be shopping after the holiday. I have a neat little project in store for these devices.You know better than that.
Fully fledged N305 system with 8GB/128GB costs only $327 cdn or less than $245 USD. Considering Aliexpress has to make money, and the company selling at Aliexpress has to make money, the real cost is likely closer to $160 USD at max, and the chip at half that or less, meaning <$80 USD.
According to analyst data, a chip that's sold for $330 at Newegg and other vendors net Intel little over $200 or so, probably about $230 at the most. That N305 system has two layers of middlemen.
Sorry for being spoiled.Performance is totally fine. People are spoiled nowadays. Actually because our senses are relative, you'll never be satisfied no matter how good things get. For just web browsing, even my father's Core 2 Quad Q9400 is usable.
If they cost below $150 yes but from $200 and above plenty of options. Those 6-8 core Zen 2/3 machines offer lot of value.I try to ignore all the people that say these boards are poor performers. These chips provide Skylake levels of performance and can be passively cooled. They can outperform the recently released Raspberry Pi 5 (and any other SBC I can think of), which can’t compete when actively cooled.
If cooling or size is not an issue, sure, they look unattractive, but for those of us that need good options for cooling/size/performance, these are a great solution.
I can stick a bunch of these in a custom built rack and not have a room sounding like a jet engine.
AMD, are you listening?
EDIT: Oh and x86 compatibility is even more icing on the cake.
Find me something better (preferably with AVX or equivalent) for similar size/performance/cost/noise. I will wait.
Then your laptop is gonna last you a decade if you are fine with replacing the battery every time it fails to hold the charge. I guess, every three years? At any rate, I wish more of us had such simple needs. Would save us so much money.BTW, I just bought a new PHX laptop, but honestly I don't see a noticeable difference compared to my older i5-9300 in what I do. The only time I see a really big difference is when I am checking videos for corruption.
Unless you use It for work, you don't really need a strong machine.Then your laptop is gonna last you a decade if you are fine with replacing the battery every time it fails to hold the charge. I guess, every three years? At any rate, I wish more of us had such simple needs. Would save us so much money.
AMD built a chip (Mendocino) that is pretty good match for this low power, low cost market. But it seems no one is using it for this purpose. Only chromebooks. E.g. 7520U compared to N305 I think I would rather have the 7520U due to its slightly superior single-thread performance and dual-channel DDR5 support.I try to ignore all the people that say these boards are poor performers. These chips provide Skylake levels of performance and can be passively cooled. They can outperform the recently released Raspberry Pi 5 (and any other SBC I can think of), which can’t compete when actively cooled.
If cooling or size is not an issue, sure, they look unattractive, but for those of us that need good options for cooling/size/performance, these are a great solution.
I can stick a bunch of these in a custom built rack and not have a room sounding like a jet engine.
AMD, are you listening?
EDIT: Oh and x86 compatibility is even more icing on the cake.
Find me something better (preferably with AVX or equivalent) for similar size/performance/cost/noise. I will wait.
And the better iGPU with better games support in the drivers.E.g. 7520U compared to N305 I think I would rather have the 7520U due to its slightly superior single-thread performance and dual-channel DDR5 support.