Intel NUC 4" x 4" micro-PC - $299 shipped (1.8ghz i3, motherboard, case, PSU)

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ponyo

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Just an FYI: The chromebox is NOT locked-up; there was an updated firmware that will now allow you to install windows or linux. As far as I can tell the processor is 30-40% faster and for $178 you get 2 gig of ram and 16GB ssd. Not a lot but enough for linux. Ub addition it has better port selection (hdmi and display port) which in theory means it could drive a 27 inch monitor (the n2820 only has 1080p hdmi). I am not claiming the chromebox is the better option but rather it is a question; what am I missing.

Btw your lik to best buy appears to be broken; but your point is taken for $100 more you get a display and dvd drive et all.

Link to working Windows install on the chromebox? Because I'm pretty sure it's still not working correctly. Linux works fine. I have Asus Chromebox dual booting ChromeOS and OpenELEC.
 

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What I really want is a nuc or chrome box with 3320 or 1680; the n2820 and 2955u are less appealing. The reason I prefer the celeron 3320 over the I3 is price; and I might be mistaken but a snapdragon 805 is faster than a N2820 (and the associated gpu is 2 to 3x fsater than the gpu in a N2820). The 3320 uses more power than the 2955u but it is well below its rated 53watt; I suspect in most cases it uses less than 20watt.

Yeah, I'm really curious to see how the upcoming 14nm chips affect the NUC; I'm not sure how much smaller they can make them due to port size (USB, Ethernet, etc.), but they can definitely lower power consumption! Although I guess they could grab ultra-thin component mounts out of Ultrabooks & stuff, so there's always room to shrink.

I already have the problem of NUC's shifting around the desktop due to the weight of the cords pulling them back because they're so small & light; I mount them vertically when I can, either to the side or back of desks using the included VESA plate, or onto the back of the monitor's VESA plate, if applicable (like on the 27" Hanns-G LED monitor for $249). Otherwise I'll drill a hole in the desk & put one of those wire cups in there to hide the mess. It's kind of silly how many cables come out of it, haha. What I try to do when I install them is keep wiring to a minimum by putting any local printers on the network (wired or wireless) to reduce the number of USB cables running to the machine, and by using a single Logitech Unity micro-receiver for the keyboard & mouse (usually an MK320 combo for $40). Some monitors now come with DisplayPort, so you can get an LCD with built-in speakers & a couple USB ports on the side, all via a single cable.
 

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CINEBENCH on an i7 BRIX Pro (Quad & Iris Pro 5200): OpenGL failed (mismatch error), CPU was 706cb. Also, the Quad i7 seems to help out disk speeds. AJA System Test is above 450 MB/s for both read & write on a standard 240GB Mushkin mSATA drive. Hot diggity!
 

you2

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Well the way I intend to wire it is to use a usb a-b switch to the monitor hub and plug the mouse/keyboard into the monitor. So the only cable i need on the device is power, hdmi, single usb. Since the mouse/keyboard won't be connected to it i'm not too worry about it being pulled due to movement. Anyways I want to pick something up by the end of the summer but i can wait a few more month to see if the right device shows up - maybe an rk3288 mini-pc which should be fster than the n2820 and about 1/2 the price.
 

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Just bought the 2.5 inch drive supporting i5 Haswell NUC after reading the reviews from Anandtech. Looking forward to setting this up.
 

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The comments mention that the 2.5" NUCs should be capable of supporting 15mm drives

That thread predates the actual release of the 2.5"-capable units. I just put an i5 4250 into use as my everyday box, and 15mm is out of the question.

See footnote #1 at the bottom of this page of tested peripherals, which reads:
Intel said:
1 For Intel NUCs that include a chassis drive bay for SATA drives, only 9.5mm 2.5" SATA drives are supported. 5mm and 7mm drives may fit, but are not tested or guaranteed. 15mm drives are too large and will not fit.

I had played with an earlier Celeron 847 model, and it ran better than I expected, so I got the 4250. My i7 tower will sit unless I need to burn a BluRay
 

Kaido

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That thread predates the actual release of the 2.5"-capable units. I just put an i5 4250 into use as my everyday box, and 15mm is out of the question.

See footnote #1 at the bottom of this page of tested peripherals, which reads:


I had played with an earlier Celeron 847 model, and it ran better than I expected, so I got the 4250. My i7 tower will sit unless I need to burn a BluRay

That's interesting...it seems like there would be plenty of room, especially if you don't use the mSATA slot, but I don't have any 15mm drives to put to the test. I've used 7mm drives on other projects, but I didn't know they had 5mm drives out - it's so thin that the screwholes almost go off the the edge

http://www.thinkcomputers.org/images/news/wd-5mm.jpg
 

Kaido

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Wow - REALLY neat new BRIX: (for gaming!)

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5096#ov

http://www.tonymacx86.com/general-h...-mobile-i5-4200u-cpu-desktop-gtx-760-gpu.html

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/1529-gigabyte-brix-mini-gaming-pc-specs

The model name is GB-BXi5G-760. They're using a dual-core i5 Haswell laptop chip, which is an odd choice for a machine that is oriented towards gaming, especially since the chassis supports desktop-grade quad-core CPU's:

http://ark.intel.com/products/75027/Intel-Core-i5-4200H-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz

It's using some type of GTX 760 GPU, available in 3GB & 6GB sizes. An i7 version will be shipping in August, which will probably have the 6GB GPU. The rest of the stuff is standard - dual drives (mSATA & 2.5"), 16GB DDRL SODIMM, etc. One really interesting feature is that it has triple displays - two Mini-HDMI ports & one Mini-Displayport. Here's a shot of the back ports:

http://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/Features/104/Photo/4008.jpg

Word on the street is that Steam allows for branded Steambox machines, but due to delay, manufacturers cannot release the branded hardware, so they're releasing them re-branded as mini gaming PC's, such as the Zotac EN760 (per Gamer's Nexus).

I'm curious as to why they're releasing this machine without a desktop CPU. First thought is power issues - that GTX 760 is going to suck up some major power. Second thought is the thermal issue - I have a bunch of the red & black i5 & i7 desktop-CPU "BRIX Pro" models and they are dang noisy. I haven't had any overheating issues, but they're not really suitable for a quite office location due to the annoying fan noise. So I'd imagine having to cool a GTX 760 AND a desktop CPU would not only suck up a lot of power, but also create a super-noisy machine due to the extra cooling requirement. I'm curious as to how the GTX 760 will work - if this is a silent machine like the non-Pro NUC's are, that would be amazing. So third thought is the noise issue - if this is intended to live in your living room, you'd want a quieter machine. If they can get away with a dual-core chip & a quietly-cooled GTX 760, then that would be pretty cool.

So in a nutshell, this model is basically a BRIX Pro but with a dual-core laptop chip instead of a quad-core desktop chip & is sporting a 3GB or 6GB GTX 760 with triple display output. Nice.
 

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Has anyone tried one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-VivoPC-VM...UPA_B00KU54KPQ
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I'm looking for something to run linux (mostly web browsing). So far it seems like hp chromebox, asus chromebox are the best price/performance options; but kind of rather have 4GB than 2GB. I have an extra sata ssd if i went with a nuc but the nuc seem a lot more expensive right now (they have nothing between the atom and i3 and the i3 build would be around $330 ?)
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Kind of like a G3230 or similar (which is about 2x faster than 1007u or 2995u) but I think 1007u or 2995u is ok (about 1.5x faster than the nuc atom); but prefer 4GB ram.
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Woudl like to stay below $250; and it shoudl come with wireless.
 

ponyo

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Has anyone tried one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-VivoPC-VM...UPA_B00KU54KPQ
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I'm looking for something to run linux (mostly web browsing). So far it seems like hp chromebox, asus chromebox are the best price/performance options; but kind of rather have 4GB than 2GB. I have an extra sata ssd if i went with a nuc but the nuc seem a lot more expensive right now (they have nothing between the atom and i3 and the i3 build would be around $330 ?)
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Kind of like a G3230 or similar (which is about 2x faster than 1007u or 2995u) but I think 1007u or 2995u is ok (about 1.5x faster than the nuc atom); but prefer 4GB ram.
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Woudl like to stay below $250; and it shoudl come with wireless.

You can easily add more ram to Asus Chromebox. It has two ram slots. It comes with 2gb installed but also has a free slot for additional ram. I installed another 2gb stick in mine for total of 4gb. You could add 4gb stick if you wanted to. I think it supports up to 16gb of ram. If you're mostly going to web browse, I would highly recommend the Asus Chromebox as it's really built for it. And if you want to run Linux, you can easily do it via Crouton and instantly switch back and forth between ChromeOS and Linux. I have ElementaryOS installed via Crouton on my HP Chromebook 14 and the whole switching back and forth between ChromeOS and ElementaryOS is seamless and works really well.

HP Chromebox only has one ram slot. So if you want the 4gb, you have to buy the 4gb from the factory or replace the 2gb with 4gb stick once you get it.
 

Kaido

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You can easily add more ram to Asus Chromebox. It has two ram slots. It comes with 2gb installed but also has a free slot for additional ram. I installed another 2gb stick in mine for total of 4gb. You could add 4gb stick if you wanted to. I think it supports up to 16gb of ram. If you're mostly going to web browse, I would highly recommend the Asus Chromebox as it's really built for it. And if you want to run Linux, you can easily do it via Crouton and instantly switch back and forth between ChromeOS and Linux. I have ElementaryOS installed via Crouton on my HP Chromebook 14 and the whole switching back and forth between ChromeOS and ElementaryOS is seamless and works really well.

HP Chromebox only has one ram slot. So if you want the 4gb, you have to buy the 4gb from the factory or replace the 2gb with 4gb stick once you get it.

Thanks for posting that, I'm glad to know that little box is making some real progress! So neat to have cheap AND good equipment available!
 

you2

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Yea I knew you could add ram; but thought it had to be replaced; good to know it has a second slot; which 2gb stick did you go (my concern is that if it is dual channel then it is best for both sticks to have near same performance). I'll probably try to asus chromebox - it is $170 + 2gb of ram ($20?); the only negative over the other devices is that it won't take a sata ssd (I have an old one lying around); so i'll have to live with 16GB + sd card for /home). I have no intention of running anything other than linux; do you know if it will take grub ?
 

cytoSiN

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Wow - REALLY neat new BRIX: (for gaming!)

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5096#ov

http://www.tonymacx86.com/general-h...-mobile-i5-4200u-cpu-desktop-gtx-760-gpu.html

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/1529-gigabyte-brix-mini-gaming-pc-specs

The model name is GB-BXi5G-760. They're using a dual-core i5 Haswell laptop chip, which is an odd choice for a machine that is oriented towards gaming, especially since the chassis supports desktop-grade quad-core CPU's:

http://ark.intel.com/products/75027/Intel-Core-i5-4200H-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz

It's using some type of GTX 760 GPU, available in 3GB & 6GB sizes. An i7 version will be shipping in August, which will probably have the 6GB GPU. The rest of the stuff is standard - dual drives (mSATA & 2.5"), 16GB DDRL SODIMM, etc. One really interesting feature is that it has triple displays - two Mini-HDMI ports & one Mini-Displayport. Here's a shot of the back ports:

http://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/Features/104/Photo/4008.jpg

Word on the street is that Steam allows for branded Steambox machines, but due to delay, manufacturers cannot release the branded hardware, so they're releasing them re-branded as mini gaming PC's, such as the Zotac EN760 (per Gamer's Nexus).

I'm curious as to why they're releasing this machine without a desktop CPU. First thought is power issues - that GTX 760 is going to suck up some major power. Second thought is the thermal issue - I have a bunch of the red & black i5 & i7 desktop-CPU "BRIX Pro" models and they are dang noisy. I haven't had any overheating issues, but they're not really suitable for a quite office location due to the annoying fan noise. So I'd imagine having to cool a GTX 760 AND a desktop CPU would not only suck up a lot of power, but also create a super-noisy machine due to the extra cooling requirement. I'm curious as to how the GTX 760 will work - if this is a silent machine like the non-Pro NUC's are, that would be amazing. So third thought is the noise issue - if this is intended to live in your living room, you'd want a quieter machine. If they can get away with a dual-core chip & a quietly-cooled GTX 760, then that would be pretty cool.

So in a nutshell, this model is basically a BRIX Pro but with a dual-core laptop chip instead of a quad-core desktop chip & is sporting a 3GB or 6GB GTX 760 with triple display output. Nice.

Looks very nice, but I agree they need a desktop processor if the purpose is gaming. And silence would be irrelevant in that situation too. Hope the new models in August are true gaming NUCs.
 

Kaido

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Looks very nice, but I agree they need a desktop processor if the purpose is gaming. And silence would be irrelevant in that situation too. Hope the new models in August are true gaming NUCs.

Yeah that's the thing - if you're going to use it for watching movies or playing games, then you're going to have the audio turned up AND you're going to have it sitting all the way across the room by the TV, so who cares if it's noisy? It's annoyingly noisy for a quiet office environment, but for an HTPC, I would have preferred the desktop CPU. I have the BRIX Pro i5 & i7 and they are CRAZY fast. I hope they can work out the thermals/heat/power/whatever and get a desktop-grade CPU in there with the GTX 760 because I would totally jump on that for my home theater PC!
 

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Yeah that's the thing - if you're going to use it for watching movies or playing games, then you're going to have the audio turned up AND you're going to have it sitting all the way across the room by the TV, so who cares if it's noisy? It's annoyingly noisy for a quiet office environment, but for an HTPC, I would have preferred the desktop CPU. I have the BRIX Pro i5 & i7 and they are CRAZY fast. I hope they can work out the thermals/heat/power/whatever and get a desktop-grade CPU in there with the GTX 760 because I would totally jump on that for my home theater PC!

To be fair, I'd prefer to build a real HTPC for that purpose, even for gaming, and have done just that for my basement. But I would love to have a gaming Brix to travel with. Throw it in a bag with a 360 controller or two and an HDMI cable and it's instant Steam, wherever you are.
 

Kaido

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To be fair, I'd prefer to build a real HTPC for that purpose, even for gaming, and have done just that for my basement. But I would love to have a gaming Brix to travel with. Throw it in a bag with a 360 controller or two and an HDMI cable and it's instant Steam, wherever you are.

Yeah I actually thought the same thing after I posted that - for less money, you could get a full-sized desktop with more gear inside, and non-mobile CPU/GPU chips. These would be the bomb for LAN parties though! :biggrin:
 

Kaido

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Also another nice option for running Android on Windows:

http://www.amiduos.com/

So many nice options on the NUC's...Windows, Linux, Mac (Hackintosh), Steambox (upcoming), ChromeOS (Asus), Android (Intel or DuOS). Super versatile!
 

cytoSiN

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Yeah I actually thought the same thing after I posted that - for less money, you could get a full-sized desktop with more gear inside, and non-mobile CPU/GPU chips. These would be the bomb for LAN parties though! :biggrin:

My thoughts exactly. Someone call Gigabyte and tell them to get their heads our of their rear ends and put desktop CPUs in the Brix!
 

EliteRetard

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Linus posted a review of the green one with the GTX 760:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGI8iYjk0rc

I have one coming in next week, so I'll see how it fares. Would have preferred a quad-core CPU + 760 GPU, but what can you do

Definitely needs some modding...perhaps build a case that can hold onto the power brick and also includes some kind of custom water coolant setup for at least the GPU.
 

Kaido

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Definitely needs some modding...perhaps build a case that can hold onto the power brick and also includes some kind of custom water coolant setup for at least the GPU.

That's a good idea...you'd just have to make the case slightly wider & then slide the power brick in to hide it, then you could have a standard 3-prong outlet on the back. Maybe something 3D-printed from Shapeways? :hmm:
 

Kaido

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GTX760 model showed up early. Box is VERY large for a BRIX, like the size of a tall loaf of bread. Unboxing it now. This sucker is HEAVY! Also, it is wider than the regular BRIX Pro, which is weird because I'm used to the cube, but I actually like the slightly wider design better - looks nicer for some reason, since it's taller than a non-Pro BRIX. The green is awesome, it's like the lime green Lambo color.

They include a few extras: a MiniDP to DP cable, a Mini-HDMI to HDMI cable (just one, if you want to use the second Mini-HDMI port, you'll need to buy an additional adapter or cable), a combo headphone jack cable (3.5mm splitter so you can use a microphone & headphones at the same time using the front port, like if you use a headset for gaming), and a small memory stick with the drivers (no CD, yay!). The memory stick is 8 gigs (7.21gb total with 4.73 available, formatted with FAT32) & can be rewritten to use as a regular memory stick. I made an ISO of the files, reformatted the stick to NTFS, and used the Microsoft Win7 USB tool to make a bootable Win7 USB instaler for the OS. Nice! It's a really cool USB stick - very tiny & fits in half of the port:

http://i.imgur.com/BxEO27G.jpg

Here's a picture of the GTX760 BRIX with a non-Pro BRIX on top & the (slightly large) GTX760 PSU in front of it:

http://i.imgur.com/8VsDKsi.jpg

I like the BRIX (non-Pro) as a cube since it's short, and I like the GTX760 slightly wider because it's taller - it fits the design better. The power supply is a Delta ADP-180MB H, which is a $60 or $70 adapter on Amazon & even on eBay:

http://www.amazon.com/UpBright%C2%AE.../dp/B00KJ6S9BW

Anyway, it has a pair of small fans for exhaust:

http://i.imgur.com/fn2AiU3.jpg

The rear panel slides off once you unscrew the bottom cover plate. There's a split monster heatsink in there (I'd assume the top portion is for the CPU, bottom for the GPU); the GPU board is nearly as big as the entire motherboard:

http://i.imgur.com/XXagEB7.jpg

I also opted to try a new brand of SSD's, so I got a 480gb Crucial MX500 since I had recently had a good experience with a 512GB Crucial MX100 SSD. It amazes me that these little mSATA drives come in up to 1TB sizes right now; I took a generational shot with 3.5", 2.5", and mSATA SSD drives:

http://i.imgur.com/xv4fBEp.jpg

Crazy-thin wafer that makes no noise...ridiculous!
 
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