Intel Ocean Cove Thread (next gen core design)

TheF34RChannel

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Intel Ocean Cove could be the next new Intel CPU core code name

...the new code name from the big blue chip giant is Intel Ocean Cove. Or might be. We’re not sure, but in a job listing spotted by Sweclockers Intel are chasing up a new senior CPU microarchitect to “join the Ocean Cove team to deliver the next generation core design.”

Intel have today completely ripped out the section which references Ocean Cove from the Intel have today completely ripped out the section which references Ocean Cove from the listing, along with their stated goal of creating a “revolutionary microprocessor core to power the next decade of computing.”



https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-ocean-cove-code-name
 
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IntelUser2000

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Revolutionary eh? I can think of a few notable revolutionary architectures.

Netburst
Bulldozer
Itanium

You change too much for the sake of change and you very much risk breaking code compatibility, or killing performance. Hardware/Software should always be a black box to consumers that are easiest to use as possible. Engineering work must be done to make that possible.

Core 2 chips further improved areas that were refined for decades, and new ideas were there to augment them. That worked brilliantly. Ryzen went back to its roots by making it an expansion of their older architectures, and updated ideas that were more in line with what Intel was using with their latest cores. That worked well too.
 

raghu78

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Revolutionary eh? I can think of a few notable revolutionary architectures.

Netburst
Bulldozer
Itanium

You change too much for the sake of change and you very much risk breaking code compatibility, or killing performance. Hardware/Software should always be a black box to consumers that are easiest to use as possible. Engineering work must be done to make that possible.

Core 2 chips further improved areas that were refined for decades, and new ideas were there to augment them. That worked brilliantly. Ryzen went back to its roots by making it an expansion of their older architectures, and updated ideas that were more in line with what Intel was using with their latest cores. That worked well too.

I am sure Jim Keller and Raja Koduri are going to set realistic goals and make sure the team comes up with a NGC which takes the best of what Intel has currently and improves it further, serving as the foundation for the next decade of CPUs from Intel. The main change will be to adapt Intel's design approach for chiplets and heterogeneous processes where various IP blocks are going to reside on different dies and will probably be built at different process nodes. I can see the cores being on the leading edge (n) and memory & IO being on a n-1 node .
 
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FIVR

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I think the key to intel's next architecture (and the key to AMD's current one) is the ability to implement MCM. It is obvious that process tech improvements are slowing and becoming more expensive, so the necessity to leverage die area of multiple packages will become important for performance in the next decade.
 

Ajay

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I am sure Jim Keller and Raja Koduri are going to set realistic goals and make sure the team comes up with a NGC which takes the best of what Intel has currently and improves it further, serving as the foundation for the next decade of CPUs from Intel. The main change will be to adapt Intel's design approach for chiplets and heterogeneous processes where various IP blocks are going to reside on different dies and will probably be built at different process nodes. I can see the cores being on the leading edge (n) and memory & IO being on a n-1 node .

Yeah, definitely feel this is what drew Keller in - the chance to design another ground up uarchitecture.
 

dark zero

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Hope that this new revamp, applies to Atom too and makes their return on the phone department.

Intel was the only one who used Power VR properly besides Apple.... even Mediatek couldn't use it well.
 
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Please stay on topic.

It is not that off topic.
If Intel will develop a new cpu architecture, they would want an architecture that has not the same security flaws.
So they have to design a new architecture that is not vulnerable to either meltdown or spectre but is still a high performance core that should be faster than the latest and greatest from Intel.
That is quite the task to perform, because speculative execution and out of order execution is where most of the speed of the best performing x86 and arm cores comes from.
 

ksec

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Revolutionary eh? I can think of a few notable revolutionary architectures.

Netburst
Bulldozer
Itanium

You change too much for the sake of change and you very much risk breaking code compatibility, or killing performance. Hardware/Software should always be a black box to consumers that are easiest to use as possible. Engineering work must be done to make that possible.

Core 2 chips further improved areas that were refined for decades, and new ideas were there to augment them. That worked brilliantly. Ryzen went back to its roots by making it an expansion of their older architectures, and updated ideas that were more in line with what Intel was using with their latest cores. That worked well too.

I like to think this time, it is different. ( I hope ), Intel didn't have the experience in HPC when they design Itanium. Intel didn't had the Power Wall knowledge when they design Netburst. As the talk at DARPA, it used to be a separate concern, Netburst will scale up to 10Ghz, and the node manufacturing guys would figure out how everything would be contained. Itanium would be so good at execution speed, but the compiler guys would figure out how to do it efficiently.

We now literally hit the limit in every corner, from high power TDP, low power processing, IPC, Mhz, Memory bottleneck, Compiler efficiency, etc, heck even AVX 512 overheat, they used to be separate concern, now they know you can't design something without looking into another. And this is a massive increase in complexity. ( What was already extremely complex)

Now is the time to look, what sit in between now and Quantum Computing. Remember this is with everything they know, including what is in their lab such as Icelake, Sapphire Rapid, AVX 1024 etc.
 

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It is not that off topic.
If Intel will develop a new cpu architecture, they would want an architecture that has not the same security flaws.
So they have to design a new architecture that is not vulnerable to either meltdown or spectre but is still a high performance core that should be faster than the latest and greatest from Intel.
That is quite the task to perform, because speculative execution and out of order execution is where most of the speed of the best performing x86 and arm cores comes from.
Bingo, if they are coming with a completely new architecture....then wouldn't it make sense to remove those vulnerabilities?
 

DisEnchantment

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Revolutionary eh? I can think of a few notable revolutionary architectures.

Netburst
Bulldozer
Itanium

You change too much for the sake of change and you very much risk breaking code compatibility, or killing performance. Hardware/Software should always be a black box to consumers that are easiest to use as possible. Engineering work must be done to make that possible.

Core 2 chips further improved areas that were refined for decades, and new ideas were there to augment them. That worked brilliantly. Ryzen went back to its roots by making it an expansion of their older architectures, and updated ideas that were more in line with what Intel was using with their latest cores. That worked well too.

Can't agree more.
Anyone who'd have had to support their SW for multi arch knows what a nightmare this is.

Back then it was easy because Library and OS code base were small
SW has gotten so huge its unthinkable.
Ask Canonical for a special build and see how it goes. Ask MS for a dotnet arm64, cntk, tensor flow arm64, anyone
Its arm64... imagine a new arch...
Linux right now is purging support for many micro arch because it is a nightmare.

I would suppose Intel would still do an x86 arch. Its their bread and butter.
A new arch could be introduced side by side..
 

ehume

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SW? Google-fu and Wiki-mess give no hint.
 
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moonbogg

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I was of the belief that this new arch will still be X86 based, of course. I figured it would just be like another Sandy Bridge. Its not like they need to go creating some new alien technology or anything. They just need another decent leap forward in CPU performance.
So, someday when people are asking if their CPU is still good enough for a new GPU upgrade, people will just use the common response, "If your CPU is anything Ocean Cove or later, you're fine. That Ocean Cove just won't die. Don't upgrade it."
 
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Ajay

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Intel's golden handcuffs wed it to x86 support. They are likely just looking for some out of the box re-imagining of a 64 bit optimized uarch. Interesting times!
 

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Intel's golden handcuffs wed it to x86 support. They are likely just looking for some out of the box re-imagining of a 64 bit optimized uarch. Interesting times!

I'm opting for Moonbogg's alien technology I think that something completely new and modern is the way forward rather than redesigning the old and then sleepwalking with that for another decade. Unless they'd enjoy being overtaken by their sole competitor in the near future.
 
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Ajay

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I'm opting for Moonbogg's alien technology I think that something completely new and modern is the way forward rather than redesigning the old and then sleepwalking with that for another decade. Unless they'd enjoy being overtaken by their sole competitor in the near future.
If Intel needs an emulator to run x86 code then AMD will eat their lunch for sure!
 

PingSpike

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Didn't JK want to make a new kind of ARM core with AMD before he left? I thought I read that somewhere.
 
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