Intel Ocean Cove Thread (next gen core design)

[FIVR]

Intel and AMD announcements of hardware fixes. Intel by end of 2018, AMD in 2019 with Zen version 2.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-in-silicon-fix-meltdown-spectre,36405.html

https://www.networkworld.com/articl...ns-silicon-fix-for-spectre-vulnerability.html

Remember, for most home PC users, these exploits are not really anything to worry about.
No examples of them have been found in the wild, either.

Zen 2 is late 2018 and everyone knows intel isn't shipping any fixes for Meltdown until 2019 or later when 10nm come out.


So basically this announcement says the opposite: AMD fix in 2018 and no intel fix in sight (because no 10nm in sight).

 

[LTC8K6]

Zen 2 is late 2018 and everyone knows intel isn't shipping any fixes for Meltdown until 2019 or later when 10nm come out.


So basically this announcement says the opposite: AMD fix in 2018 and no intel fix in sight (because no 10nm in sight).

The announcements are what they are. They have been repeated many times.

Whether AMD and/or Intel meet them is in the future and unknown to us.

We also don't know what performance hits the hardware fixes will have on the new chips.
Zen 2 is 2019, and most likely Intel 10nm is also 2019.

7nm Zen 2 based product we'll sample later this year to customers and that will be in production in 2019, and we do believe that the adoption rate of the second-generation could potentially be higher than the adoption rate of the first-generation, mostly because customers will be more familiar with our systems and our products," Dr. Su noted.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveal...echnology-will-sample-this-year/#1b2904e8332a

 

[FIVR]

The announcements are what they are. They have been repeated many times.

Whether AMD and/or Intel meet them is in the future and unknown to us.

We also don't know what performance hits the hardware fixes will have on the new chips.
Zen 2 is 2019, and most likely Intel 10nm is also 2019.




https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveal...echnology-will-sample-this-year/#1b2904e8332a

We know Intel won't be going HVM until 2019 because Brain Kraznich said so and HVM production usually starts about 3 months before products. So there is NO WAY intel is going to have a hardware fix in 2018


AMD has announced that Zen 2 will be 2018 so we also know that AMD will have a hardware fix in 2018.

Your "announcements" are simply intel PR trying to trick people into thinking they are fixing things when they already announced they aren't.

 

[Brunnis]

AMD has announced that Zen 2 will be 2018 so we also know that AMD will have a hardware fix in 2018.

Zen 2 is a 2019 release. No where has AMD said they’re releasing it 2018. Engineering samples being sent out to customers isn’t all that interesting to end customers.

 

[LTC8K6]

We know Intel won't be going HVM until 2019 because Brain Kraznich said so and HVM production usually starts about 3 months before products. So there is NO WAY intel is going to have a hardware fix in 2018


AMD has announced that Zen 2 will be 2018 so we also know that AMD will have a hardware fix in 2018.

Your "announcements" are simply intel PR trying to trick people into thinking they are fixing things when they already announced they aren't.

AMD announced Zen 2 is 2019. I just linked an article from two days ago quoting Lisa Su. Zen 2 samples in late 2018, ships in 2019.

If you are counting sampling, then Intel had 10nm out in 2017.

 

[Donts00tmesanta]

Zen 2 is late 2018 and everyone knows intel isn't shipping any fixes for Meltdown until 2019 or later when 10nm come out.


So basically this announcement says the opposite: AMD fix in 2018 and no intel fix in sight (because no 10nm in sight).

Amd for me indeed.

 

[Donts00tmesanta]

Intel and AMD announcements of hardware fixes. Intel by end of 2018, AMD in 2019 with Zen version 2.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-in-silicon-fix-meltdown-spectre,36405.html

https://www.networkworld.com/articl...ns-silicon-fix-for-spectre-vulnerability.html

Remember, for most home PC users, these exploits are not really anything to worry about.
No examples of them have been found in the wild, either.

Wow

 

[Gideon]

Intel and AMD announcements of hardware fixes. Intel by end of 2018, AMD in 2019 with Zen version 2.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-in-silicon-fix-meltdown-spectre,36405.html

https://www.networkworld.com/articl...ns-silicon-fix-for-spectre-vulnerability.html

Remember, for most home PC users, these exploits are not really anything to worry about.
No examples of them have been found in the wild, either.

Well it isn't over, it's just beginning. 8 new spectre-NG vulnerabilities discovered, that do require patching.

Each of the eight vulnerabilities has its own number in the Common Vulnerability Enumerator (CVE) directory and each requires its own patches - probably they all get their own names. Until then, we will jointly call them the Spectre-NG gaps in order to distinguish them from the problems known so far.

So far we only have concrete information on Intel's processors and their patch plans. However, there is initial evidence that at least some ARM CPUs are also vulnerable. Further research is already underway on whether and to what extent the closely related AMD processor architecture is susceptible to the individual Spectre-NG gaps.

Intel is already working on some Spectre-NG patches itself; others are being developed in cooperation with the operating system manufacturers. When the first Spectre-NG patches will be released is not yet clear. According to our information, Intel is planning two patch waves: The first is scheduled to start in May; a second is currently planned for August.

 

[jpiniero]

I hope they find the right balance, but do not expect a real, total ground-up like the architectures that failed. They don't work.

Well the idea I had would be to start with x86, and remove all the crap and obsolete stuff that's accumulated over the years, and then build the foundation for the accelerators.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Well the idea I had would be to start with x86, and remove all the crap and obsolete stuff that's accumulated over the years, and then build the foundation for the accelerators.

Compatibility is a very tricky thing. Windows 2000 by having a different filesystem didn't work with lot of applications, which is why the consumer counterpart was Windows ME, despite its flaws. Vista was built on the foundation of Windows 2000, but had issues for quite a while. It wasn't until Windows 7 era when it became tolerable, and it had issues of its own in the beginning. That's just the OS.

16-bit probably, but anything built in the 32-bit years is unlikely. Some require exact specifications to merely work.

The question is whether it'll save power or increase clock speeds at all. It may not, and if its just transistor budget, its likely no big deal.