Intel or AMD? (LOL)

[sangyup81]

My take:

If you want to build it yourself, go AMD. Less headache with the heat issues. Otherwise, buy a Dell if you go Intel.

 

[alanore]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Definately Intel if you want a CPU you wont be chaning every six weeks because its not the "latest thing". Its durable and will be worth the investment.

Just because intels processor line up has stagnated for the last two years doesnt mean its an avatage.

AMD over greater performance with a much lower power demand, which means you use less electricty and save money in the long run.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: alanore

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Definately Intel if you want a CPU you wont be chaning every six weeks because its not the "latest thing". Its durable and will be worth the investment.

Just because intels processor line up has stagnated for the last two years doesnt mean its an avatage.

AMD over greater performance with a much lower power demand, which means you use less electricty and save money in the long run.

For a single computer example, how much are you expecting to save on electricity? I can see a case for server farms like Google but not so much here unless someone wants to do the math for us.

 

[alanore]

Its not a huge amount but every little helps, also if you look at it across a broad spectrum the amount of extra power consumed must be rather large.

 

[richardrds]

Get a cheap 939 NF4 mobo, but one that is decent at OCing, even if you don't plan on OCing it will be there as an option for you in the future if you need more out of your CPU later.

I would go with an AMD A64 3000+, should be ok at stock settings for what you are doing and you can always OC to around 2.4Ghz easily for 3800+ performance if need be in the future.

Then 1-2 years down the road you can replace the 3000+ with a X2 3800 for probably less then $150 bucks for a nice dual core upgrade in the future.

 

[josh609]

Originally posted by: richardrds
Get a cheap 939 NF4 mobo, but one that is decent at OCing, even if you don't plan on OCing it will be there as an option for you in the future if you need more out of your CPU later.

I would go with an AMD A64 3000+, should be ok at stock settings for what you are doing and you can always OC to around 2.4Ghz easily for 3800+ performance if need be in the future.

Then 1-2 years down the road you can replace the 3000+ with a X2 3800 for probably less then $150 bucks for a nice dual core upgrade in the future.

Do what he says. Yes obey him, he's wise.

 

[DodgerLD]

Thanks.

1. I'm finding it hard to find Opterons here in S.A. I'll keep looking.
2. 3000+ or 3200+? And why? The 3200+ is fairly noticeably faster, but about $55 more expensive.
3. If I had to OC at a later date, would it be easy to outperform the P4 630?

D.

 

[Markfw]

2) 3200, the multiplier will make it easier to OC
3) Yes

 

[DodgerLD]

Thanks Markfw900!

 

[tvfreakazoid]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Definately Intel if you want a CPU you wont be chaning every six weeks because its not the "latest thing". Its durable and will be worth the investment.

So your saying that AMD is not good for programming, image editing, office applications, and the internet?

 

[Markfw]

BTW, the 3200 Venice is $169 shipped, less than the 630 at newegg, faster at stock, and even if both were OC'ed, would beat the 630 easily, and run much cooler.

 

[tvfreakazoid]

Originally posted by: DodgerLD
May want to consider the fact that I'm moving up from a P2/3 449Mhz CPU.

I'm hoping 1GB of RAM will be sufficient, at least to start with.

I think dual-core will have to be removed from my list of options, due to the price ... unfortunately.

Wow you sure do have to upgrade big time. Well how about going with dell? They have payment options. Myself I'm looking into a new computer myself. My comp is about 5 yrs old so i need to upgrade for my self. I'm looking into AMD becasue so far I have been getting really good reviews.

 

[tvfreakazoid]

Originally posted by: Griswold

Originally posted by: DodgerLD

I often have about 20 Firefox tabs open, a few office docs, a programming IDE or two, and maybe Adobe Photoshop. Would that be considered multi-tasking, or would the threads have to be actively processing data?

Depends on whether or not these apps are actually doing something while being open. 20 browser tabs and a few word docs sitting in the background arent multitasking. If multiple apps are processing data, aka doing something, then you would see alot of gain from a dual core CPU. But not in the scenario you described there. More RAM is what you want and need. Will do much more for general responsiveness of your system than two cores twiddling thumbs.

But that profile could change some day, as well as your financial situation and/or price of currently available processors. In that case, with a (limited, yet practicable) upgrade path in mind, I would go for an AMD socket 939 system. You'll be able to slap in a dual core s939 CPU as they are available right now and will continue to be available long after AMD made the move from s939 to socket M2/AM2. Granted, once the new socket is out, there wont be any new s939 CPU's coming out, but the currently available chips will still be produced for a good while.

Why not Intel then? Good question, a single core HT P4 will do what you need it to do just as good as an AMD system. Because Intel changes their sockets/chipsets like normal people their underwear. The compatibility between Intels CPU <-> Sockets <-> Chipsets iterations is really nothing to call home about - thats a hassle you wont have to deal with on a s939 board on top of the fact that AMD's s939 dual core chips are simply better than Intels netburst architecture. Conroe, the next big thing from Intel, will not work in any of the boards you can buy now.

If you actually work with your computer, any decent upgrade from what you using now (like the ones mentioned here, 3200+ or P4 630) will last you for a long time. And when you finally need a little more horsepower, dual core will give that to you. At least you will be guaranteed to be able to use a s939 dual core CPU from AMD without thinking twice. If you go for Intel, you'll have to do some research beforehand to find out which board/chipset will let you eventually run one of their dual cores, which translates to the upper end of the mainstream/performance chipsets.

Hey I plan on getting the same x2 as you. How much did it cost you? I also need a good mobo that has sata 2 just cause I want the good stuff lol. And I will need a good strong power supply as well. Any suggestions? How long have you had your system? Any problems you have experienced with gaming, or multi-tasking? I plan on doing both, but not a hard core gamer though. I would like to get into video editing, image editing and what not. I do kinda want to wait for the new M2 socket but not sure if I want to wait that long. What do you think??? Oh, I do know about computers from what I read but really dont know all that much, so I do ask a lot of questions.

 

[Zebo]

All you gotta do is read some processor reviews. i don't know of anyone recommending intel currently. too hot..too slow.. too much money.

 

[Tangerines]

Right now, I'd recommend an X2 for you. They're great dual-core processors, run cool, and consume less power than their Intel counterparts.

However, if you can wait a few months, I'd suggest doing that. By then, AMD's new socket will have come out, and Intel will have released newer better processors.

 

[Socrilles]

I love the too hot too slow too much money BS:

too hot
4 years ago AMD chips were running hotter and required more power the .18 micron Socket A days but people stuck with those chips (as did I) because they performed better stop throwing the heat argument out there its a load of crap.

too slow
If your not gaming as mentioned earlier, AMD and intel chips perform neck and neck in almost all applications, and in nearly none of them will you be able to appreciate an advantage with either chip.

Too much money - have you heard of Dell? again I challenge any1 to post a system that can outperform mine for the same cost it is as follows:
P4 630 @ 4 ghz at default voltage with the stock dell cooling and w/o artic silver
160 gig SATA hd
DVD burner and DVD rom
came with X300SE I am upgrading it to a x800 I just for $60
512 mb DDR2 533 fsb ram, I just upgraded it to 2.5 gb DDR2 533 fsb ram for an extra $100
It also came with 2 17" LCDs one an ultrasharp

Total cost $660 before the above mentioned upgrades you can subtract the cost of each monitor at $150, which makes it $360 and if you add in the cost of the vid card and memory upgrade I'm at $520, and AMD chips will dominate me at nothing, oh and I have an opty 165 and an opty 144 CABNE, and I use the dell as my primary PC

Post something that can outperform the above at a similar cost (and don't forget the intangibles keyboard, mouse, PSU, legal OS, that came with the Dell).

For the OP if you can get a Dell with similar coupons to what are available in the US, you will not be able to build an AMD system that performs similarly at anywhere near the cost.

Here is the actual order I forgot it also came with a printer:
Dimension 8400
Pentium® 4 Processor 630 with HT Technology (3GHz, 800 FSB), Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition Qty: 1
Unit Price: $1,508.00
Dimension 8400 Pentium® 4 Processor 630 with HT Technology (3GHz, 800 FSB)
S630H
[221-8110]

Memory 512MB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz (2x256M)
512M5
[311-3976]

Keyboard Dell Quietkey® Keyboard
QK
[310-1582]

Monitor FREE UPGRADE! New 17 in E173FP Analog Flat Panel
E173FPP
[463-4017]

Video Card 128MB PCI Express? x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon? X300 SE
X300SE
[320-3934]

Hard Drive 160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/ Native Command Queuing
160S
[341-1591]

Operating System Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
WHXP

Mouse Dell 2-button scroll mouse
SM
[310-1871]

Network Interface Integrated Gigabit Ethernet
IN
[430-0742]


CD ROM/DVD ROM Dual Drives: 16x DVD + FREE UPGRADE! 16x DVD+/-RW w/dbl layer write
DV16DVP
Sound Card Integrated 5.1 Channel Audio
IS
[313-2758]


Optional Second Monitor 17 inch Ultrasharp? 1704FPT Digital Flat Panel
1704FP
[320-4029]




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[carlosd]

Originally posted by: Socrilles
I love the too hot too slow too much money BS:

too hot
4 years ago AMD chips were running hotter and required more power the .18 micron Socket A days but people stuck with those chips (as did I) because they performed better stop throwing the heat argument out there its a load of crap.

Never as hot and power hungry as the preshots (the most power hungry socket A CPU was only 70W!), besides they were very dirty dirty dirty cheap! , you could buy an athlon 1200 for less money than a PIII 800, not to tell the huge difference in performance or could buy a P4 1.4 for double price, but crappy performance for the money, conclusion, price/performance unbeateable!

Originally posted by: Socrilles
too slow
If your not gaming as mentioned earlier, AMD and intel chips perform neck and neck in almost all applications, and in nearly none of them will you be able to appreciate an advantage with either chip.

Maybe, it's still painful to pay more for less performace, even if the advantage is small and also get a ****** hot chip!

Originally posted by: Socrilles
Too much money - have you heard of Dell?

Hell sucks.

Originally posted by: Socrilles
Post something that can outperform the above at a similar cost (and don't forget the intangibles keyboard, mouse, PSU, legal OS, that came with the Dell).

I am selling my whole system for 500USD (which by the way whips yours). Got ya! all the parts have 3 year of unlimited warranty from the retailers.:laugh:

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Socrilles
I love the too hot too slow too much money BS:

too hot
4 years ago AMD chips were running hotter and required more power the .18 micron Socket A days but people stuck with those chips (as did I) because they performed better stop throwing the heat argument out there its a load of crap.

too slow
If your not gaming as mentioned earlier, AMD and intel chips perform neck and neck in almost all applications, and in nearly none of them will you be able to appreciate an advantage with either chip.

Too much money - have you heard of Dell? again I challenge any1 to post a system that can outperform mine for the same cost it is as follows:
P4 630 @ 4 ghz at default voltage with the stock dell cooling and w/o artic silver
160 gig SATA hd
DVD burner and DVD rom
came with X300SE I am upgrading it to a x800 I just for $60
512 mb DDR2 533 fsb ram, I just upgraded it to 2.5 gb DDR2 533 fsb ram for an extra $100
It also came with 2 17" LCDs one an ultrasharp

Total cost $660 before the above mentioned upgrades you can subtract the cost of each monitor at $150, which makes it $360 and if you add in the cost of the vid card and memory upgrade I'm at $520, and AMD chips will dominate me at nothing, oh and I have an opty 165 and an opty 144 CABNE, and I use the dell as my primary PC

Post something that can outperform the above at a similar cost (and don't forget the intangibles keyboard, mouse, PSU, legal OS, that came with the Dell).

For the OP if you can get a Dell with similar coupons to what are available in the US, you will not be able to build an AMD system that performs similarly at anywhere near the cost.

Here is the actual order I forgot it also came with a printer:
Dimension 8400
Pentium® 4 Processor 630 with HT Technology (3GHz, 800 FSB), Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition Qty: 1
Unit Price: $1,508.00
Dimension 8400 Pentium® 4 Processor 630 with HT Technology (3GHz, 800 FSB)
S630H
[221-8110]

Memory 512MB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz (2x256M)
512M5
[311-3976]

Keyboard Dell Quietkey® Keyboard
QK
[310-1582]

Monitor FREE UPGRADE! New 17 in E173FP Analog Flat Panel
E173FPP
[463-4017]

Video Card 128MB PCI Express? x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon? X300 SE
X300SE
[320-3934]

Hard Drive 160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/ Native Command Queuing
160S
[341-1591]

Operating System Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
WHXP

Mouse Dell 2-button scroll mouse
SM
[310-1871]

Network Interface Integrated Gigabit Ethernet
IN
[430-0742]


CD ROM/DVD ROM Dual Drives: 16x DVD + FREE UPGRADE! 16x DVD+/-RW w/dbl layer write
DV16DVP
Sound Card Integrated 5.1 Channel Audio
IS
[313-2758]


Optional Second Monitor 17 inch Ultrasharp? 1704FPT Digital Flat Panel
1704FP
[320-4029]




Dell Home Customers: Save $750 on select Dimension? desktop purchases of $1499 or more (before tax and shipping)! (affialite only online offer)
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Shipping and Handling $0.00

Tax $44.05
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Right on! iNTEL Powa to the people!

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: imanub

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Definately Intel if you want a CPU you wont be chaning every six weeks because its not the "latest thing". Its durable and will be worth the investment.

So your saying that AMD is not good for programming, image editing, office applications, and the internet?

Im saying why bother with advanced micro devices to begin with, when you can have it all with even just an iNTEL Celeron D, featuring NetBurst architecture. :beer:

 

[Chocolate Pi]

You say NetBurst like it's a good thing... wait, why am I bothering...

 

[x850Pro]

Go with Intel for Multi-tasking

Go with AMD for GAMING

 

[Socrilles]

Originally posted by: carlosd

Originally posted by: Socrilles
I love the too hot too slow too much money BS:

too hot
4 years ago AMD chips were running hotter and required more power the .18 micron Socket A days but people stuck with those chips (as did I) because they performed better stop throwing the heat argument out there its a load of crap.

Never as hot and power hungry as the preshots (the most power hungry socket A CPU was only 70W!), besides they were very dirty dirty dirty cheap! , you could buy an athlon 1200 for less money than a PIII 800, not to tell the huge difference in performance or could buy a P4 1.4 for double price, but crappy performance for the money, conclusion, price/performance unbeateable!

Originally posted by: Socrilles
too slow
If your not gaming as mentioned earlier, AMD and intel chips perform neck and neck in almost all applications, and in nearly none of them will you be able to appreciate an advantage with either chip.

Maybe, it's still painful to pay more for less performace, even if the advantage is small and also get a ****** hot chip!

Originally posted by: Socrilles
Too much money - have you heard of Dell?

Hell sucks.

Originally posted by: Socrilles
Post something that can outperform the above at a similar cost (and don't forget the intangibles keyboard, mouse, PSU, legal OS, that came with the Dell).

I am selling my whole system for 500USD (which by the way whips yours). Got ya! all the parts have 3 year of unlimited warranty from the retailers.:laugh:

Yah your system is really available nationwide to everybody.....and I'm sure you only paid $500 USD for it new, oh wait and of course this system you haven't posted the specs for (unless its in your sig which would make you a complete idiot for selling it at that price) would surely dominate mine and thats why your posting the specs -- yah you sure got me

The challenge stands any takers???? oh yah and its the price you paid for the NEW system that would be WIDELY available to people. Good Luck

PS I can't wait to hear your response about how your system is better it will only further proove a point I haven't made yet

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

I don't think Intel has any chips on the market comparable to their AMD price-point counterparts. You can check the benchmarks, but I'm pretty sure there's no good reason to go Intel at the present time.

Depending on your budget, you should probably get one of the following...

Duron 1.8 GHz
Sempron 64 2600+
Sempron 64 2800+
Athlon 64 3000+
Athlon 64 3200+
Opteron 146
Athlon 64 X2 3800+
Opteron 165

 

[tvfreakazoid]

Originally posted by: carlosd

Originally posted by: Socrilles
I love the too hot too slow too much money BS:

too hot
4 years ago AMD chips were running hotter and required more power the .18 micron Socket A days but people stuck with those chips (as did I) because they performed better stop throwing the heat argument out there its a load of crap.

Never as hot and power hungry as the preshots (the most power hungry socket A CPU was only 70W!), besides they were very dirty dirty dirty cheap! , you could buy an athlon 1200 for less money than a PIII 800, not to tell the huge difference in performance or could buy a P4 1.4 for double price, but crappy performance for the money, conclusion, price/performance unbeateable!

Originally posted by: Socrilles
too slow
If your not gaming as mentioned earlier, AMD and intel chips perform neck and neck in almost all applications, and in nearly none of them will you be able to appreciate an advantage with either chip.

Maybe, it's still painful to pay more for less performace, even if the advantage is small and also get a ****** hot chip!

Originally posted by: Socrilles
Too much money - have you heard of Dell?

Hell sucks.

Originally posted by: Socrilles
Post something that can outperform the above at a similar cost (and don't forget the intangibles keyboard, mouse, PSU, legal OS, that came with the Dell).

I am selling my whole system for 500USD (which by the way whips yours). Got ya! all the parts have 3 year of unlimited warranty from the retailers.:laugh:

I"ll buy it. =)

 

[tvfreakazoid]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: imanub

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Definately Intel if you want a CPU you wont be chaning every six weeks because its not the "latest thing". Its durable and will be worth the investment.

So your saying that AMD is not good for programming, image editing, office applications, and the internet?

Im saying why bother with advanced micro devices to begin with, when you can have it all with even just an iNTEL Celeron D, featuring NetBurst architecture. :beer:

Let's face it. One is really not better than the other. It's not like you can tell anyways. Yea AMD maybe leading right now, then intel will lead a little, than AMD agian.