Intel or AMD? plus some other oc'ing questions

[BlueDeathscreen]

...and another word about bus speeds; I run the AGP at 93 MHz and it is really stable. That is, it _never_ crashes. System below:

 

[NOS440]

Zephyr you have provin to me that you no absolutly nothing about P-3s in there current state. Between myself and friends of mine we own 7 700e's that all run at over a GHZ. The 800 are easier to get to the same speed as the 700s are so please go away. I'm sorry the AMD T-birds have a harder time at it and are from what I here going to be locked where you have to do some physical modding to get them to OC but hey you'll have to live with it.

 

[NOS440]

Oh and if you want proof go to overclockers.com and check the data base on P-3s and then check on T-Birds. I'm sure this will make you sick so keep a garbage pale next to ya.

 

[H82bbad]

I would for sure go with a p3! and I was an amd man for last 8 months! but seeing the performance of my new 700 e in a vapochill convinced me intel is the way to go for gamers! oh sure that thunderbird may beat a p3 clock for clock on some benchmarks (spec view? gee I never run that and never heard of it till the started reviewing athlons! My current machine after some serious tweeks ran 3dmark2000 (7x150)1050 to get my best score ever of 7967! now on my athlon I would score 4500 kinda a big difference huh!

 

[sandorski]

Ok, I'll concede that a 133mhz fsb overclock on the right mobo's is the way to go, but anyother fsb requires the correct selection of components(cards, drives).

 

[NOS440]

Well that is real white of ya dude LOL!!!!!!!!! but really component selection isn't that big of a deal at all. Most everything will work at these FSB's today unless your using really old hardware the only thing you really need to be real good quality is your 133 ram.

 

[sandorski]

Well, it is a big deal. Try running a Maxtor drive for more than six months out of spec.

 

[sarielX]

Enough said, each of us has a preference, and usually it's based on good or bad experiences. I say read up and decide based upon your findings... Of course an ASUS A7V rev 1.01 mobo cranking a T-Bird would be my 1st choice, but again thats because I've never bought a system based on a name, instead performance means more to me...
Sariel X

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What do I know.... I'm just a caveman....

 

[NOS440]

sandorski

The Maxtor drive thing is another thing from the day's of the 5.7 gig and lower drives. All the drives newer than that are fine at higher Bus speeds.

sarielX Everyone has a opinion and that's what makes these message boards so much fun. No one here is getting nasty we are just hashing out are opinion's. If no one did this these bbs's would die.

 

[Zephyr]

NOS

... and you proove you know nothing about the current state of Tbird, since you 1) claim they have a harder time to o/c... AFAIK 700 socker-A Tbirds does 1.1GHz no sweat.. 2) say that you've heard they're going to be locked.. which is only half the truth. Actually AMD is going to produce both locked and unlocked models. Now this just further proves that AMD cares about us enthusiasts while Intel only likes us when they can rip us off.

And about the database.. have the thought ever crossed your mind that maybe.. just maybe.. the Tbird is a little bit too new for a comparison like that.. ?!?

 

[NOS440]

Boy you just keep it coming don't you.

where do you get this info that will produce them both way's and if so how will someone know which it will be ?? I have heard that the first ones produced are not locked but all newer ones will be lockoed and will require a mod to Overclock. But who cares !!! The T-Bird really isn't that new its been around for a couple months and I havn't heard any great Ocing results to amount to anything yet. If these do 1100mhz no sweat than why are they not at all the variuos sight bragging as in here and Overclockers.com and MADONION.com and so on and so forth. What you say may very well be true but I have yet to see any main stream proof of this.

 

[Inferno]

I just scored a wicked deal by using AMD. I bought a regular athlon 750 and a ka7 and some kingmax pc133 cas2 memory. Cost me $179 for the cpu, abit ka7 was $130, goldfinger card $35, Globalwin VOS32 and the 128mb stick was $136.00. Ended up with an athlon that does 1000MHz at 1.85 volts. So in my book AMD rules. I've never seen a 750mhz p3 do that.

Just for those who want to know the numbers are.
AMD-K7750MTR52B
230026533222

 

[Inferno]

oops double post damn proxy!

 

[H82bbad]

it all sounds great and I think you got a good deal however do a 3dmark on your 1gig athlon and let me know how it scores

 

[NOS440]

well my 700 does 1050 and scores 7978 3Dmarks. But anyway good luck with your new system.

 

[Zephyr]

NOS

I don't remember where I read it, but I think it was a place from where you are banned

As for telling them apart, I don't know yet, but it would seem like a reasonable guess that a part of the serial number would indicate either "locked" or "unlocked".

You're right that the Tbird isn't new, but the socket-A mobos haven't really been on the shelves for very long, which is what makes the Tbrid solution "new" compared to the PIII.

Abot the 1100MHz .. read
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q2/000623/index.html

 

[EvilFett]

WOW 1ghz. LOL You guys can brag all you want about who could run the fastest chip but give me a break! DAMN NOS440 (and everyone else running over 1ghz) you actually opened notepad a whole sec faster then me. It's funny to see how everyone wants all these framesrates with their 1ghz and geforce gts2 cards but in reality most people play on the net so you will never get those 160+ framerates everyone brags about! Unless maybe we are running on my server which has T3 connectivity. But even then I'm only running a T-bird at 900mhz so as hell can someone run faster then me while playing! People dont realize and some never will that AMD has the best price/performance chip out there period! As for my server it has a Adaptec 29160 card w/3cheethas(160) and 512mb pc/133. All that because my SERVER needs it, all I run is a Duron 650, A7v (stable as hell), 128 pc133, IBM 15 gig(ata/100), voodoo 3 2000 and a Live sound card. So all you guys ready for a multiplayer game? I am! LOL

 

[NOS440]

Zephyr I really take what Toms Hardware say's with a grain of salt all the hardware suppliers send him the cream of the crop for testing. So his luck with overclocking and multiplier locks will differ from the general public and also I'm sure he has better tools then most normal users to soldier and what not.

I'm getting my opinion about the success of OCing the T-Bird by browsing AMDzones sight and seeing very few posts of people having any great success locked or unlocked.

Also the socket A is really no different than slot A just like socket 370 or flipchip is no different than slot 1. There was no learning curve to these changes on intel systems. In fact its really the same chipset that VIA is using with very little if any changes at all.

 

[NOS440]

whats your server I'll bring my P-3 and kick your A$$ with that slow Duron !!!!!!!!!


But on a serious note your right on the net these high frame rates don't mean alot but if your near michigan and you want to come over and hook to my network. I bet you will be dumb founded as I run circles around you here.

 

[EvilFett]

Hey NOS440 believe me you wont run circles on me. Down to earth reality is if im better then you on certain games I will kick your @$$, LOL. I play on lan with friends, they all run different systems up to 1ghz. Do they beat me on UT or Q3A! No, so its only common sense not to say that you will run circles on me. Hell 1 friend comes here with a k6-2 500 and beats the heck out of us. You might say but the other guys have more framerates who cares, you cant win with framerates alone. BTW for all you overclockers (I am not 1 of them, LOL) my buddy got his 700 duron to 988 stable.

 

[NOS440]

So what no server IP ???

 

[Zephyr]

Something funny I've noticed is how Tom has gone from being considered one of the most serious hardware reviers on the net till being considered a biased lowlife (not your word NOS just making a general comment) amongst Intel fans. Back in the days where he was bashing the K6-2 at any given opertunity there seemed no end to the praising of this guy. So now he has realized AMD has the better technology and all of the sudden he's the antichrist!?!

About the slot A & socket A Tbird.. well sorry but you're just plain mistaken here, there are several differences.

1) the heat dissipation on the socket A is better than on slot A due to the nature of the packaging (this is also true for Intel slot 1/FCPGA, but less of an issue since architechture is the limiting factor here)


2) While slot A tbirds are produced at Fab25 only, socket A tbirds are produced both in Fab25 and Fab30. That means that all slot A tbirds will have Al interconnects, while socket A versions can be either Al interconnects OR Cu interconnects. Since Cu dissipate heat better than Al these should be better suited for O/C'ing.

3) While it has been claimed that the KT133 chipset is just a KX133 for socket A this is not entirely true. While the KX133 uses push&pull signalling the KT133 uses an open drain signal.

 

[NOS440]

Also yes your right speed isn't everything its just like race car driving the fastest doesn't alway's win. But take the best player and put him behind the fastest machine and BAM you have one kick A$$ setup.

 

[NOS440]

Well Zephyer it sounds like you just made my statements fact there is very little difference.

 

[Train]

From overclockers.com:

Average PIII 700 overclock.. 947mhz
Average Athlon 700 overclock 870mhz

Average PIII 800 Overclock.. 1020mhz
Average Athlon 800 overclock. 914mhz

Average PIII 1000 Overclock.. 1237mhz
Average T-bird 1000 overclock None Available!


And in what way are AMD's better than Intel again?

so what if i pay a few more bucks for the chip i get a cheaper (and better) motherboard so overall i win!