Intel or AMD

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: skar
well, we've got both A64s and P4s for our linux dev workstations and while code(java) is run with databases, we also do a little multi-tasking like some firefox(browsing) , xmms(music), skype(voice chat), evolution(mail), konsole all autostarting as soon as we login on our Linux desktops.

well, first of all, that's more having multiple windows up than it is multitasking. secondly, those are 'nix desktops, and i specifically said winxp (i don't use 'nix for desktops, just servers, and most of them are smp p3/p4/xeon).

and i should have been a bit more clear as i have the s939 and northwood on my desk and use them both daily.

From our experience, we find the multitasking of A64 to be equal if not better than the P4s with HT. Particularly, its very snappy when miniming the current window and selecting another window. Maybe got something todo with better implementation in the kernel or maybe the 64-bit stuff, I'm not sure which one. Note that the JVM is 32-bit emulated on the A64s, though it decreases performance < 1%. All other apps are 64-bit and the distro is gentoo(single compiled image rsynced to multiple machines).

well again, what you describe doesn't tax the cpu much.

So, CaiNaM's statement that "i've had both s754 and s939 now, and i voted intel as while a bit faster in some apps, and most games, a comparable intel doesn't give up that much, an my experience while running multiple cpu intensive apps on winxp has shown the a64 is clearly lacking." could very well be M$ buggy/bad/poor implementation of task switching/cache/page/swap handling on the A64s.

Just my 0.02

i don't think that can be ruled out, since XP does control the thread priority, but at the same time the cpu architectures do handle dual threads differently. at any rate, 'nix is clearly such a minute portion of the desktop environment that it's really outside the scope of most of these types of discussions.

Originally posted by: carlosd
It's more a problem of apps implementation to A64 than the A64 CPU itself as skar said, because there are intensive multitasking cpu apps where A64 is equal or superior. You are talking from the point of view of the apps that you use when multitasking, you must not do that.

i don't see it that way. the a64 is x86 compatible; it should handle it the same. part of the difference is whether the app is smp otpimized or not, but at the same time it's still the XP scheduler handling the threading.

when amd dual cores finally arrive, i'm sure they'll provide much better multitasking (or dual tasking) the HT enabled intels, and this whole argment will be moot anyway.. until then tho, it is what it is...

Originally posted by: Thermalrock
cainam's a kid who reads every post in which someone overrates hyperthreading, like my grand ma the bible. he will also quote those posts and call em 'facts'. i wouldnt take him too serious.

yet another post showing your ignorance. you should quit making comments regarding things you know nothing of; i'd safely say i've had much more experience in computing than you, having been involved with it since the lat 70's.

and serious? i state facts and give supporting tests/opinions other than my own. you refute what i say yet provide no logic or facts with your drivel, rather regurgitating the same opinionated nonsense over and over. i think that speaks in itself to your credibility.

 

[Thermalrock]

lol you quote kids who own a p4 and post on here. gj

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Thermalrock
lol you quote kids who own a p4 and post on here. gj

you could not provide anything to back up your facts. you asked for a review, and i gave you one. you have nothing intelligenent to refute that with, rather you use the the same old biased, opinionated drivel which is the only thing you've shown you're capable of. kindly put up or shut up.

from hard ocp's AMD Athlon 64 4000+ &amp; FX-55 review:

Multitasking

Every time I write about how Intel Pentium 4 CPUs with HyperThreading dominate in multitasking, I get mad email from AMD fans telling me otherwise. I have had a Pentium 4 CPU in my main work system, which is used for everything I do including gaming, for a couple of years till back in July. I put in an Athlon 64 FX-53 to compare real-world experiences. The difference in how multitasking is handled is much like night and day. Intel?s HyperThreading makes easy work of multitasking where the Athlon 64 simply flounders. I was used to encoding movies and music while I went about my normal work tasks and the Athlon FX system was having none of that. I found many places where the system would ?chug? due to the CPU handling one task while I had another one I wanted to focus on. Sure, you can go in and change the way the CPU handles the particular tasks you have open, but that is simply a pain to get done every time you want to use certain combinations of software.

Now with all that said, I have gotten very used to the way the Athlon 64 FX handles my daily computing needs and to some extent I have formed my needs around its performance. Do I still want my Pentium 4 with HyperThreading back? Absolutely. I think the Pentium 4 with HyperThreading is the best solution for those people that work with many different applications open at once that can be CPU intensive even when working in the background.

 

[Thermalrock]

the guy makes me laugh. first of all hyperthreading has been around for slightly less than two years but earlier this year he had owned a p4 for a couple of years that performed better when told to execute several programs because it had ht? please ... if he did own a p4 for a couple of years it was a p4 without hyperthreading. and claiming a p4 that old did better than an fx-53? please... this is ridiculous. he wants his old p4 back? why doesnt he start using it again? if he doesnt have it anymore he could easily sell his fx53 and get 4 of those old p4s or an even faster new p4 ht, yet he doesnt and uses the fx.

its no surprise you would quote something like that, the guy is just as stupid as you are. even intels never claimed more than 26% advantage of ht versus ht disabled. yet you and some idiots do. it doesnt make it true tho. yo would you quote me too as a fact if i claimed that my pentium mmx that ive had owned for a couple of years was faster at some stuff than my back then new pentium 3 and i really did want the pentium back?

look i was a lil annoyed with you for posting crap but now ive figured you just cant help it, its not youre fault youre stupid and youll always be. however im gonna keep pointing out that the stuff you say is worthless to ppl who plan on buying a new cpu so they know whats up.

the 20% hyperthreading helps in very rare situations compared to a p4 without ht that performs worse than an a64 anyway. difference of night and day the guy says yet still running the fx that doesnt want none of his 'multitasking'? hehehe dumbass.

 

[daclayman]

Well, I voted Intel, though this SL6WK 3.0C 30 capper OCed to 3.3ghz I just got today is running 47C degrees under full load/closed case/default voltage/OEM copper-cored HS/fan (Prime95(FPU load) and United Devices agent). Even at 3ghz, it was running 46C.

I'm a little perturbed; if I wanted a CPU fan to run at 4400rpm, I would have bought AMD. My P4m 1.6 @ 2.7ghz never exceeded 41C with the same HS/fan.

 

[CaiNaM]

hey, Thermal(denser than)rock,

when are you actually going to offer something relevant that you don't pull out of your ass?

where did i say i had an HT capable processor for a 'couple of years'?

i also find it intersting while you offer nothing of value, others who don't share your 'zeal' are considered "stupid".. i dunno.. somehow Kyle over at HardOCP seems to have just a 'bit' more credibility than you.

and if you really want to comment on what i own or use, here are some facts regarding my pc's so you don't have to make up more crap:

the 2.0b sitting on my other desk is about 2 years old; the 2.6c about a year old, the 2600+ barton (@3200+) is closing in on a year, the s754 3000+ is a little over a month, and the s939 is a little over a week. my 3.2c at my other office is around 9 months old iirc.

prior to that, from 1ghz to 1.7, I had athlon xp's. before to my 2.0b i actually hadn't had an intel since P3 766mhz (not including a couple of laptops and about a dozen servers).

 

[AnandThenMan]

Go Cyrix!

 

[Thermalrock]

well kyle over at hardocp doesnt have any credibility after claiming he owned a p4 ht for a couple of years when ht has been around for less than two years. again you proved you cant read. gj.
neither do you read my posts nor the stuff you quote it seems. else youd know what im talking about.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: AnandThenMan
Go Cyrix!

You know it baby.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Thermalrock
well kyle over at hardocp doesnt have any credibility after claiming he owned a p4 ht for a couple of years when ht has been around for less than two years. again you proved you cant read. gj.
neither do you read my posts nor the stuff you quote it seems. else youd know what im talking about.

he still has far more than you will ever have, regardless.

my bad on the interpretation of the "two years" tho.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: bde
lol what's cyrix???
im serious

You ask, I answer!

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: AnandThenMan
Go Cyrix!

i still have a desktop with a cyrix 6x86 around here somewhere.....

 

[zixxer]

heh

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: armatron
heh

WTF did you bump this up :roll:?

 

[ssanches]

Originally posted by: RobCur

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: RobCur

idonteven hear aboutthem anymore. dude lay down the pipe, thanks.

Tell that to VIA.

So, when did you have your humorectomy anyway? heehee

ruserious?
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you?
oh nvermind
*cuhckle*
*wanders off8

Actually Gigabyte manufactures a mITX motherboard with an onboard 800Mhz VIA C3...It has onboard video/audio/LAN....Add a 256MB or 512MB DDR stick to that, a cheap 7200rpm HDD, etc and slap the entire thing in a mATX case and you've got a PC that's ridiculuously cheap and runs very very cool....
It'll run all general productivity applications, consume very little power/generate low head and noise.

 

[Aenslead]

AMD

 

[Aenslead]

Hey, CaiNam. How's it been?

I found this on another thread in this forum and I thought maybe you'd be interested in checking it out, specially the final thoughts.

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1787/

Have a nice one!