Intel Pentium E2180 2.0ghz OEM Core 2 Technology $49.99 + S/H after $20 Rebate

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Karaktu
Intel actually doesn't warranty OEM chips at all (to end users).

That is true. There's actually a lot of confusion surrounding warranty terms and durations. The CPU is warranted by Intel for 12 months to the company that purchased it direct from Intel.

 

[piotr1]

so is it dual core?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: piotr1
so is it dual core?

Yes

 

[country2]

I'm wanting to get this but the lack of a warranty has me little worried if you don't purchase a HSF from them on same receipt. Is everyone just taking a chance with risk of a DOA and just buying a HSF from another cheaper source or is one of their HSF they have listed is goos as the AC7 pro and just as cheap in price? thanks

 

[cubeless]

if u get a doa i'm pretty sure u can get it resolved... if it runs chances are it's gonna run forever...

 

[cmv]

Originally posted by: country2
I'm wanting to get this but the lack of a warranty has me little worried if you don't purchase a HSF from them on same receipt. Is everyone just taking a chance with risk of a DOA and just buying a HSF from another cheaper source or is one of their HSF they have listed is goos as the AC7 pro and just as cheap in price? thanks

The first one I brought I got with a Masscool cooler on the same receipt (it wasn't too expensive after a rebate). For the second one I'm going to skip the warranty. I'm with cubeless -- CPU warranties are kind of worthless except for DOA to me.

 

[GullyFoyle]

Ordered one of these Friday night, got the confirmation page, but the site crashed when I tried to refresh it. Since then I'm not able to get in to the order status page. Shows an SQL error on the page. I called the next day and they said they were having problems and they would be resolved by 5:00 PM. It's now 3 AM the next morning and it's still not working. I wouldn't get away with that in my job, allowing a site to be down for more than a day and a half...

 

[QuixoticOne]

I just ordered the chip, no HSF, didn't see anything specific about warranty / etc.

If it is DOA / defective (which is unlikely unless they have bad packaging / shipping / handling ESD control, or they're doing something shady like selling fake / bad-lot / previously returned parts) I'll just take it up with customer service for an exchange or file a charge-back for defective merchandise with the credit card company.

It's ridiculous to assume anyone is going to hurt their OEM C2D CPU without a proper cooler, anyway, since the chips have the EIST/C1E and PROCHOT and other built in modes of thermal overload clock throttling built in and so on. I'm not sure it is even possible to fry a CPU of this generation because of those protections unless one went to great lengths to lock the voltages/frequency/multiplier at high values in the BIOS, disable C1E and BIOS monitoring / alarm, etc.

On the other hand it's EASILY possible to fry chips like these with electrostatic discharge zaps during handling the chips and motherboard if one doesn't have proper techniques, protection arrangements like a grounded wrist-strap / work mat / neutral ion blower, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if many are fried by the incompetent nitwits AT THE RETAILER/WAREHOUSE that handle them, use styrofoam packing peanuts and inappropriate plastic bags with them, etc.
If anything they ought to suggest you buy the chip along with an grounded wrist strap and forget the heatsink!

I've got two never used Intel original HSFs sitting here, ones suitable for their Kentsfield Quad core chips, so I'm quite sure they'll handle the Allendale E2180 JUST FINE. It would just be a waste of money to buy another HSF when I have the proper units sitting here.

Incidentally, though, I'm curious to see what kinds of operating temperatures people get on the E2180's... I've seen several peoples signatures and a few articles suggesting they overclock to up to 180% of stock speed at settings like 320x10 = 3200, 1.35-1.39V or so. I wonder how hot they run and with what power dissipation and what needed air cooling setup in such cases. Much better or worse than a recent model E6600 / E6850 at the same clock speed?

Originally posted by: cmv

Originally posted by: country2
I'm wanting to get this but the lack of a warranty has me little worried if you don't purchase a HSF from them on same receipt. Is everyone just taking a chance with risk of a DOA and just buying a HSF from another cheaper source or is one of their HSF they have listed is goos as the AC7 pro and just as cheap in price? thanks

The first one I brought I got with a Masscool cooler on the same receipt (it wasn't too expensive after a rebate). For the second one I'm going to skip the warranty. I'm with cubeless -- CPU warranties are kind of worthless except for DOA to me.

 

[QuixoticOne]

At first I thought it was just something the site hated about my browser settings, but then eventually I realized that just had to be one of the world's worst most flaky e-tailer sites I've ever had the displeasure to use.

It took about 5 hours of page reloads and retries to FINALLY get the damn order completed. Most of the time I was getting timeout and "service not available" types of error pages and stuff from their web server on most all of their page URLs.

In the worst possible case it managed to go unresponsive to me right after it had accepted my order / credit care information, but before it showed me any receipt / order confirmation, so I had no idea if that order would even be processed, or if it got charged but might not have been successfully sent for fulfillment, or if I'd have to order again, or what.

I, too, was astounded that they'd let an 'major' e-commerce site be that flaky for hours at a time, mostly even without any decent error handling page to let people know what the problem was and give them some information / other options / reassurances.

I'm sure they must have lost thousands of orders, and probably thousands of more customers future repeat business who decide "screw this, I've got better things to do than deal with TigerDirect.com's broken web site, I'll just go order from NewEgg, at least that site works!".

If that is indicative of their level of competence and concern about customer experience / satisfaction / wasted time, I'm certainly not likely to be shopping there further.

I'd jokingly suggest that maybe they're running their whole e-commerce site on an E2180 and a $60 motherboard, but even then I think that a competent sysadmin would have had it working better than TigerDirect's junk.

Originally posted by: DanDeighan
Ordered one of these Friday night, got the confirmation page, but the site crashed when I tried to refresh it. Since then I'm not able to get in to the order status page. Shows an SQL error on the page. I called the next day and they said they were having problems and they would be resolved by 5:00 PM. It's now 3 AM the next morning and it's still not working. I wouldn't get away with that in my job, allowing a site to be down for more than a day and a half...

 

[cmv]

If they are like most companies the on-call people are probably out drinking or passed out by now . I worked at an ISP for a while and spent a stint on the night shift. I don't miss calling people in the middle of the night or even trying to get a hold of people after 3pm on a Friday.

 

[psykohog]

Originally posted by: Piuc2020
Sounds pretty awesome and it will overclock pretty well though the small cache will limit it considerably for the price there's no complaining about this.

Not true for your average user if you overclock the E2180.
http://www.tomshardware.com/20...m_dual_core/page8.html

I am running at 3.2 1.4volts 34C on the Abit IP35-E.

 

[mindless1]

Originally posted by: QuixoticOneIt's ridiculous to assume anyone is going to hurt their OEM C2D CPU without a proper cooler, anyway, since the chips have the EIST/C1E and PROCHOT and other built in modes of thermal overload clock throttling built in and so on. I'm not sure it is even possible to fry a CPU of this generation because of those protections unless one went to great lengths to lock the voltages/frequency/multiplier at high values in the BIOS, disable C1E and BIOS monitoring / alarm, etc.

It's not hard to fry one, turn on the system without the heatsink installed. Overheat protection cannot respond as fast as an initial power-on thermal rise, it'll pop the heat spreader off and the die fractures. Similarly if someone found a way to get a heatsink half-on crooked such that the base wasn't even close to flat against the heat spreader, it might have a similar result.

I've got two never used Intel original HSFs sitting here, ones suitable for their Kentsfield Quad core chips, so I'm quite sure they'll handle the Allendale E2180 JUST FINE. It would just be a waste of money to buy another HSF when I have the proper units sitting here.

Waste of money maybe, given it's allure is a budget overclocker's choice, but it's not hard at all to o'c a E2180 till it exceeds the TDP, nevermind roughly doubled thermal density compared to a quad Kentsfield. Add to that, that you'll need to keep the chip cooler to stabily run at an o'c, higher frequency and it's fair to say a quad Kentsfield doesn't need as good a heatsink as an overclocker running E2180. Fortunately there's still plenty of margin to play around with and one isn't really compelled to run much beyond 3GHz if they'd rather save a buck or have less fan noise. Around 3.0GHz you'd be near or at stock voltage still so the heat level is significantly lower.

Incidentally, though, I'm curious to see what kinds of operating temperatures people get on the E2180's... I've seen several peoples signatures and a few articles suggesting they overclock to up to 180% of stock speed at settings like 320x10 = 3200, 1.35-1.39V or so. I wonder how hot they run and with what power dissipation and what needed air cooling setup in such cases. Much better or worse than a recent model E6600 / E6850 at the same clock speed?

Too many variables. Better heatsink or lower ambient temp to keep it cooler means you can use less voltage per frequency making it run even cooler, or faster, or both, or quieter. Given a typical $25 heatpiped 'sink you should reach 3.2GHz around 1.40V @ 55C, give or take since an average can't be assumed of any one specimen of processor till it proves to actually be average in use. Some people have had to go to 1.45V or slightly higher around 3.2GHz. Others have managed it a little under 1.40V, but it's a good place to start trying. Depends on the board too, giving a chip 50% more current isn't something all boards can do equally well so some may require a little more voltage. The conservative answer is to leave it near 3.0GHz if you don't want >30%+ increase in power consumption and heat. SOme people won't care about, hey it's a cheap chip but will they even notice an extra 7% higher frequency? Depends on how much their memory limits them, where the higher memory and FSB setting trades off with the multipliers available for CPU and memory. Lesser CPU speed but higher FSB and memory could just about cancel each other out or be close enough it's not worthwhile to push the CPU to the last couple hundred MHz it could do.

 

[Tullphan]

Originally posted by: WT
Its not a Pentium D, thats for sure !

Intel E4xxx Series = Allendale Core 2 Duo (Core 2 Technology)
Intel E6300 and E6400 = Allendale Core 2 Duo's (Core 2 Technology)
Intel E6600, E6700, X6800 = Conroes Core 2 Duo (Core 2 Technology)
Intel E6550, E6750, E6850 = Conroes Core 2 Duo (Core 2 Technology)
Intel E2140, E2160, E2180, E2200, E2220 = Conroes Pentium Dual Core (Core 2 Technology)
E8xxx Series Wolfdale Core 45nm 6mb L2 Cache 1333mhz

According to CPU-Z, my E6300's a Conroe.

 

[Odeen]

Originally posted by: Tullphan

According to CPU-Z, my E6300's a Conroe.

The early E6300s and E6400s were Conroe core with 2MB cache disabled. Once E4300's came out (all E4x00's are Allendale cores), they switched to making all other 2MB cache chips to Allendale as well.

 

[Tullphan]

I don't know alot about these things.
CPU-Z is showing both my L1 Data & L1 Inst. as 2x32 KBytes & L2 as 2048 KBytes.
I have no idea what that means or what I have...hehehe.

 

[cmv]

Rebate came no problem from Tiger Direct. Last couple rebates from them have been good (although my prior order was quite a while ago for a Celeron D 340 that also had a rebate).

I've got my e2180 running at 2660 Mhz (FSB at 266 Mhz) without a problem. I actually swapped it into my HTPC and swapped the Celeron L 420 (1.6 Ghz overclocked to 2128 Mhz) into my desktop (testing some video playback stuff on the HTPC). The Celeron isn't all that bad for a CPU but I'd probably go for the Celeron L e1200 (dual core 1.6 Ghz) or another e2xxx as the prices aren't that much less.

edit: Sorry to bump the thread with the title not saying "DEAD".