Intel processors crashing Unreal engine games (and others)

[lakedude]

our corporate overlords

Business Daddy 😆

 

[igor_kavinski]

Kingston Value KVR32N22D8/3 / DDR4 / 32 GiB / Single Profile
JEDEC 3200 MHz / 22-22-22 / 1.2V

Kingston Fury Beast KF432C16BB/32 / DDR4 / 32 GiB / Three profiles, JEDEC + 2 XMP
JEDEC 2400 MHz / 17-17-17 / 1.2V
XMP #1 3200 MHz / 16-20-20 / 1.35V
XMP #2 3000 MHz / 16-19-19 / 1.35V

Conspiracy theory:

OEMs for Pre-builts want best stock RAM performance as cheap as possible.

Kingston DOES NOT want you to use JEDEC profile, in essence forcing one to turn XMP on which is technically OCing, possibly voiding CPU warranty on non-K CPUs. Hidden directive from Intel?

I personally want to check out these bland JEDEC-only modules to see how tweakable they are in terms of latency timings and even RAM speed.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Is videocardz trying to become the loserbenchmark of AMD? Someone linked to the 3D price drop posted there. They wrote -

It's also considerably cheaper than the I9 flagship models, consumes less power, and it's way more stable

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-zen4-cpu-drops-to-345

That isn't proper language to be using. It implies all i9s have stability issues which is far from the case. WTH?

 

[igor_kavinski]

and it's way more stable

They should've written "may be way more stable due to better thermals".

My 12700K is getting thermally throttled. I'm not sure if it's the CPU IHS that has gotten warped with time or if it's the graphene pad that may have slipped a bit. It's going to be really annoying removing the huge heatsink that I put on there in the first place to avoid any thermal problems. Building the system in peak winter weather was also kind of a mistake since the cold temps may have masked any issues with my sloppy PC building skills. Flippin' sithspit!

 

[coercitiv]

Halo effect works both ways. Videocardz is probably just ignorant to the cause of instability, and so they incorrectly consider the locked parts are also affected. I think this case illustrates the danger Intel places themselves in by delaying a proper official reaction: people will make their own mind on the issue, and usually for the worse.

That being said though, rest assured it was only a matter of time until non-K parts would have ended up in the same conundrum, mobo makers were already moving to provide the option to disable CEP for non-K CPUs.

I highly ironic twist, last month MSI released a firmware that allowed disabling Current Excursion Protection for non-K 14th gen CPUs. They even had bar-chart graphs showing the performance uplift, since CEP interfered with undervolting the CPU.

It's going to be funny watching them release new firmware with the Intel Baseline Profile. Just to be clear, the changes they made were nice for enthusiasts, it's just very unfortunate timing overall.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I removed the graphite pad and now my 12700K is no longer throttling in the XTU benchmark. Guess the pad doesn't work for K CPUs.

I also changed the crappy EXPO kit with a used Teamgroup DDR5-7600 46-46-46-84 kit that I was able to run at DDR5-7000 35-45-45-83 with my 12700K so that's great.

I'm on the latest non-Beta BIOS (11.12) for my Z790 PG Sonic mobo. Look at the default settings the BIOS is applying and what XTU optimized them to:



Will check again after 31st May for a newer BIOS version and see if ASROCK has "fixed" the IccMax value.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Asus is having a bad time lately. Gamers Nexus has many vowing not to buy Asus anymore over their RMA shenanigans. Now, Jay goes through what a mess their latest bios to address the instability issues is. I liked that he hits an important point: that it is not the performance you paid for.

 

[Thunder 57]

Asus is having a bad time lately. Gamers Nexus has many vowing not to buy Asus anymore over their RMA shenanigans. Now, Jay goes through what a mess their latest bios to address the instability issues is. I liked that he hits an important point: that it is not the performance you paid for.

Kind of funny how ASRock, who was supposed to be the "commodity Asus" brand, is probably better than they are at the moment. I've only had one ASRock board but I thought it was fantastic. I usually look for them first these days, with no real preference for 2nd place. Probably MSI, though I've never personally used one of their mobos.

 

[lakedude]

Kind of funny how ASRock, who was supposed to be the "commodity Asus" brand, is probrably better than they are...

Yes, this, exactly!

Back in the day we had Abit, Aopen and Asus.

Then Asus spins off ASRock and now I'd sooner buy an ASRock.

Did burn up one ASRock doing distributed computing with a hex core 1055t but they replaced it and I didn't push the replacement quite so hard.

 

[bononos]

Kind of funny how ASRock, who was supposed to be the "commodity Asus" brand, is probrably better than they are at the moment. I've only had one ASRock board but I thought it was fantastic. I usually look for them first these days, with no real preference for 2nd place. Probably MSI, though I've never personally used one of their mobos.

I prefer Asrock to avoid the Asus brand tax and overly high stock voltages. MSI improved their VRMs in the past few years after getting blasted in reviews/interviews but I think their bios updates are slower.

 

[DisEnchantment]

Poor YouTube Influencers, Qualcomm not sampling them.

Also they need new launches, they are running out of CPUs to benchmarks. Please AMD/Intel these folks need something to benchmark.
Otherwise they will be forced to go undercover and investigate EK, Lian Li, ASUS, and what not

 

[igor_kavinski]

But guys, guys don't start recommending ASROCK to your cousins etc. We don't want them to be so successful that they become like ASUS. Let's keep ASROCK recommendations within our community of tech enthusiasts who understand the difference between a core and a thread.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Otherwise they will be forced to go undercover and investigate EK, Lian Li, ASUS, and what not

Or *shudder* benchmark Chinese CPUs!

 

[Joe NYC]

Poor YouTube Influencers, Qualcomm not sampling them.

Also they need new launches, they are running out of CPUs to benchmarks. Please AMD/Intel these folks need something to benchmark.
Otherwise they will be forced to go undercover and investigate EK, Lian Li, ASUS, and what not

It seems some laptops were given to "influencers" for shilling. They were able to open and close laptop, turn it upside down, turn on to show the screen and keyboard.

Just the things people really want to know about a laptop with different instruction set and with new CPU features.

 

[igor_kavinski]

They were able to who close laptop, turn it upside down, turn on to show the screen and keyboard.

Yes! Turn it on, it turns on! Unlike AMD laptops that may or may not spontaneously burst in flames /s

THAT is Intel marketing by the way

AMD marketing: Look our laptop is more power efficient and it comes with an AMD GPU that you don't want so we have termed it the AMD Advantage!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

So Bryan running OOB settings had his 14900K unable to launch fortnite. Vid will start at correct time -

Matt the former rocket scientist has a good vid that covers this fiasco from start to present. This channel deserves more views IMO. I dig his MMA angle, and he gets Bruce Buffer himself to announce the hardware fighting it out like it was the UFC. I had a bro WTF moment when Bruce was announcing GPUs 🤣

 

[DrMrLordX]

@DAPUNISHER

I'm skeptical as to whether all the instability issues will vanish magically when using these Intel "Extreme" settings.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

@DAPUNISHER

I'm skeptical as to whether all the instability issues will vanish magically when using these Intel "Extreme" settings.

I share your skepticism. Feels like damage control over customers not getting the performance they paid for. So they try to minimize the reduced performance as much as possible. Will it be enough to stop reports of the problems? Again, I'm with you and have pressed X to doubt.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Look at the current popular discussions @ Intel Community Forums:

 

[KompuKare]

Look at the current popular discussions @ Intel Community Forums:

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The cult which Intel build:
"You are holding your CPU wrong!"™

 

[igor_kavinski]

Gotta wonder. Does delidding a degraded CPU bring it back to being normal?

 

[Hitman928]

Gotta wonder. Does delidding a degraded CPU bring it back to being normal?

No.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The cult which Intel build:
"You are holding your CPU wrong!"™

The post from Igor's SS pic about it being your board and not your CPU: It's Intel's ecosystem, and they control it, that's where the buck stops. Simping does far more harm than good AIHill or whatever your username is.

In the Blackbird PC comments section there is a user that appears to be experiencing a damaged IMC. Matt posited the ram was simply not stable in XMP. But the symptoms fit with Dr. Ian's observation about the IMC being the most susceptible to damage with new DDR generations. The commenter reported the system is stable unless enabling XMP. With how well LGA 1700 responds to ram speed that would be no bueno.

 

[DrMrLordX]

With how well LGA 1700 responds to ram speed that would be no bueno.

There's a lot of pressure on 14900k/s owners to run RAM as fast as possible just to keep up with Raphael-X.

 

[igor_kavinski]

There's a lot of pressure on 14900k/s owners to run RAM as fast as possible just to keep up with Raphael-X.

I can complete the FFXV benchmark on 12700K with DDR5-7000 35-45-45-83 with stock RX 6800 at Adrenaline Default profile. But if I max everything in Custom profile like AA and tesselation level, the benchmark exits midway at some random point. Increasing the RAM timings has so far proven futile. I wouldn't need to bother with faster RAM if Intel had simply given the K CPUs ample cache. Sure I can run it at stock RAM settings but then that's starving the CPU. So much is wrong with 12/13/14th gen CPUs. Beefy cores that don't have enough RAM bandwidth to fly the way they should and finding a decent IMC is a lottery. I blame it all on Intel's maligned hybrid core strategy. They should've kept it limited to laptops.