The document discusses the issues Intel has faced with its 13th and 14th generation desktop processors, specifically related to oxidation and voltage problems. Intel initially only acknowledged the voltage issues in a statement, failing to mention the oxidation problem. The document suggests that Intel's handling of the situation has been poor, with a lack of transparency and a failure to properly support affected customers. It outlines several steps Intel should take, including providing clear information on affected CPU date ranges, offering warranty extensions and refunds, and actively reaching out to customers. The document also suggests that Intel may have rejected some RMAs during the period when it was aware of the oxidation issue, which would be unacceptable.
1. What are the two main issues Intel is facing with its 13th and 14th generation desktop processors?
The two main issues Intel is facing with its 13th and 14th generation desktop processors are related to oxidation and voltage problems. Initially, Intel only acknowledged the voltage issues in a statement, failing to mention the oxidation problem.
2. How has Intel's handling of the situation been characterized in the document?
Yes, the document does suggest that Intel's handling of the situation has been poor. It criticizes Intel for a lack of transparency and a failure to properly support affected customers. The document emphasizes the need for clear information, warranty extensions, and active outreach to customers.
3. What steps does the document suggest Intel should take to address the issues?
Based on the context provided, the document suggests the following steps that Intel should take to address the issues:1. Provide an affected date range or manufacturing window for the CPUs impacted by the oxidation issue, as this is a hardware-level defect that cannot be fixed with a microcode patch.
- Create a serial number lookup tool or other mechanism where customers can check if their specific CPU is affected by the oxidation or voltage issues.3. Offer warranty extensions for users of CPUs affected by the issues, including potential degradation over time.
- Commit to a full refund offer if the microcode changes end up impacting CPU performance, since users would not be getting the advertised performance.5. Ensure Intel proactively reaches out to customers, including business customers, who may have had RMAs rejected during the period when Intel was aware of the oxidation issue but had not disclosed it.
- Provide clear, transparent, and detailed commitments on how Intel plans to "make this right" for affected customers, rather than just vague statements.The key is for Intel to take concrete, customer-centric actions to address both the technical issues as well as the communication and transparency concerns raised in the context.
4. What concern is raised about Intel potentially rejecting RMAs during the period when it was aware of the oxidation issue?
The key concern raised in the context is that Intel may have rejected some RMAs (Return Merchandise Authorizations) for 13th and 14th gen desktop CPUs during the period when Intel was aware of the oxidation issue, but had not yet disclosed it publicly.The context states that this is a "critical period" because if Intel rejected RMAs when it knew about the oxidation problem, but the business partners were not yet aware of it, then that would be "really just inexcusable."
The document suggests this would be similar to the "Asus treatment", where the company had to revisit and reprocess all the previously rejected RMAs once the full issues were known. The concern is that Intel may have unfairly denied some customer RMAs during this time period when it had internal knowledge of the oxidation problem, but had not communicated it transparently.
The document argues that Intel needs to "revisit all the rejected RMAs" from this period and "evaluate whether those customers were actually owed Replacements" given the full context of the voltage and oxidation issues that Intel is now acknowledging.
The document discusses issues with Intel's 13th and 14th generation desktop processors, specifically related to instability and manufacturing defects. Key points:- Intel initially attributed the instability issues to excessive voltage, but later acknowledged a separate manufacturing issue related to via oxidation that affected some early 13th gen CPUs. However, Intel claimed this issue was resolved in 2023.- Intel stated that only a "small number" of instability reports were connected to the manufacturing issue, and that a microcode patch would address the instability caused by elevated voltages.- However, multiple sources, including a game developer, reported much higher failure rates, with one claiming around 50% instability on 13th and 14th gen CPUs. This suggests the issues may be more widespread than Intel has acknowledged.- Intel was criticized for lack of transparency and for not providing clear information to help customers identify potentially affected CPUs. There are also concerns about long-term damage to affected CPUs.- The document indicates Intel faced public pressure to be more transparent and to rectify past RMA rejections related to these issues.
1. What were the two main issues with Intel's 13th and 14th gen desktop processors discussed in the document?
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2. According to the document, what percentage of instability issues were Intel initially claiming were connected to the manufacturing defect?
According to the context, Intel initially stated that "only a small number of instability reports can be connected to the manufacturing issue" related to the oxidation problem. The context does not provide a specific percentage, but describes Intel's statement as using "slippery phrasing" and being "incongruent" by saying it is "not related to the instability issue" and then saying "only a small number" are connected. So Intel did not provide a clear or consistent percentage of the instability issues they initially claimed were connected to the manufacturing defect.
3. What contradictory statements did Intel make regarding the relationship between the manufacturing defect and the instability issues?
Intel made contradictory statements regarding the relationship between the manufacturing defect and the instability issues. Initially, Intel attributed the instability issues to excessive voltage and pointed to a solution as a microcode update. However, in a Reddit comment, Intel stated that the manufacturing issue related to via oxidation was not related to the instability issue. This was contradictory as Intel later mentioned that only a small number of instability reports could be connected to the manufacturing issue, indicating that there was at least some relationship between the manufacturing defect and the instability issues.
4. What evidence did the document provide that the instability issues may be more widespread than Intel has acknowledged?
The document provided the following evidence that the instability issues may be more widespread than Intel has acknowledged:1. A source told the author that they believed the oxidation issue could potentially affect 10-25% of the affected CPUs, which the author noted could be in the hundreds of thousands to millions of processors given Intel's scale.
- Dylan Brown, a Unreal Engine supervisor at Mod Farm, stated that their failure rate for 13900K and 14900K machines was around 50%. 3. Wendell, when presenting the 50% failure rate information, noted that even a rate over 1% would be considered an "enormous percentage" for CPU failures.
- The document states that even if half of the 50% failures were recoverable with microcode and BIOS updates, that would still leave a 25% failure rate, which the author described as a "very large number."So the document presented multiple sources indicating the instability issues may be significantly more widespread than Intel has publicly acknowledged, potentially affecting a much larger percentage of the affected CPUs than Intel has stated.
The document discusses the issues surrounding Intel's 13th and 14th generation CPUs, specifically the problems of oxidation and voltage degradation. It provides the following key points:1. Oxidation is a physical issue that cannot be fixed with microcode updates, but it can lead to instability and failure. Intel indicates that the 14th series is unaffected by this issue.2. Excessive long-term voltage can cause irreparable damage, leading to the inability to maintain the same clocks at the same voltages. Reducing clocks or increasing voltage may be a temporary fix.3. The recommendation is to apply BIOS and microcode updates in late August, especially for new CPUs that haven't been exposed to excessive voltage. For CPUs experiencing instability, the updates may help, but an RMA may be necessary if the issues persist.4. The document also discusses the potential for secondhand CPUs to be affected and the need for caution when purchasing used parts.5. The author plans to test the performance impact of the microcode updates once they are available in August, as Intel has not yet committed to whether there will be any performance changes.
1. What are the two main issues discussed in the document regarding Intel's 13th and 14th generation CPUs?
Based on the context provided, the two main issues discussed regarding Intel's 13th and 14th generation CPUs are:
- Oxidation issue: - This is a physical issue that can lead to instability and failure in the CPUs. - Intel has indicated that this issue has been resolved at the fab level and should not persist in the 14th series CPUs.2. Voltage issue:
- Long-term exposure to excessive voltage can cause irreparable damage and degradation to the CPUs. - This can manifest as the inability to maintain the same clocks at the same voltages, requiring voltage increases to maintain clocks.
The context suggests that these issues have created a "mess" for Intel, and Gamers Nexus is closely following the story and plans to revisit the situation in August when Intel is expected to release microcode updates to address these problems.
2. What is the recommended course of action for users with new CPUs that haven't been exposed to excessive voltage?
Yes, that's correct. The recommended course of action for users with new CPUs that haven't been exposed to excessive voltage is to apply the BIOS and microcode updates that Intel is expected to release in late August. This is especially important for new CPUs that haven't been exposed to excessive voltage. Applying these updates may help resolve the concerns related to the CPUs.
3. What is the recommended course of action for users experiencing instability with their CPUs?
Yes, that's correct. The recommended course of action for users experiencing instability with their CPUs is to apply the BIOS and microcode updates that Intel is expected to release in late August. If the issues persist even after applying the updates, then an RMA (return merchandise authorization) may be necessary. The document states that the updates "may help" in resolving the instability issues, but an RMA may be required if the problems continue even after the updates are applied.
4. When does the author plan to test the performance impact of the microcode updates?
According to the context, the author plans to test the performance impact of the microcode updates after they are released by Intel, which is expected to be in August. Specifically, the context states:
"for testing our plan is to Benchmark them under the still the same Intel official guidance for pl1 and pl2 Intel is indicating August for the micro code updates unfortunately this is after the Zen 5 reviews that means that I I don't really care what Intel says I don't care if they say there's no impact performance we still need to independently verify it."
So the author plans to independently benchmark the performance impact of the microcode updates after they are released by Intel in August, even if Intel claims there is no performance impact.
5. Why does the author caution against purchasing secondhand Intel CPUs?
According to the context provided, the author cautions against purchasing secondhand Intel 13th or 14th gen CPUs for a few reasons:1. These CPUs "might be toxic on the used Market" - The author suggests there is a risk that these CPUs could be unstable or degraded, and sellers might try to offload them without disclosing the issues.
- The seller "might lie to you especially ones on the internet you don't know" - The author warns that online sellers in particular may not be honest about the condition of the used CPUs they are selling.3. This could be an "accidental way to reduce secondhand competition for new chips for Intel and AMD" - The author suggests Intel and AMD may benefit if buyers are wary of purchasing used versions of the affected CPUs.So in summary, the author cautions against buying secondhand 13th/14th gen Intel CPUs due to concerns about their stability and the potential for dishonest sellers trying to unload problematic parts. The author advises buyers to be very careful when considering used versions of these CPUs.