TechSource built a new computer because his brand new $10,000 water cooled 14900K PC keeps crashing.
This is a huge problem for Intel because now they are going to catch the blame for more than their fair share of problems. They have trashed their reputation like Boeing and Crowdstrike, idiots!
More than their fair share of problems ? NO. Intel and their aggressive factory overclocking to win benchmarks is what did this.
I am glad you agree. But I still don't get the statement"More than their fair share of problems" as they created the problem, so anything caused by that they deserve. Yes, they have now lost a lot of respect, but that is their own doing.I've reviewed our posts and finally understand your point. I completely agree that Intel's "factory overclocking" is responsible for their current technical issues and further that they alone are 100% to blame for these technical issues.
My comment about "more than their fair share" isn't about the current technical issues, it is about the damage they have done to their reputation going forward. The Intel CPU has gone from the bottom to the top of the list of suspects. In a blink they have ruined years of trust. Even if they fix all the technical issues the trust remains broken. All the other computer parts and software will continue to cause problems like they always have but the CPU will catch the blame.
I think what they are saying is that in the future for who knows how many generations instability in a system will be blamed on them, even if it isn't their fault. Until this debacle if a system was unstable the last place you'd look was the CPU. In my career having dealt with thousands of systems and CPU's I may have had the CPU as the problem once or twice. So, when these problems first appeared everyone looked at the usual suspects. Windows, motherboard, ram, PSU etc. Well now there's poop on the sheets, and those stains will be there for a long long time.I am glad you agree. But I still don't get the statement"More than their fair share of problems" as they created the problem, so anything caused by that they deserve. Yes, they have now lost a lot of respect, but that is their own doing.
I think Intel really needs a recall or at least a lifetime warranty for these CPUs.With over 12 million members, this is what the top of the feed at r/PCRM looks like at the moment -
We have 40 i7-13700KF at work, 4 of them already died!
Streisand Effect is fully activated. To quote The Avengers - "What he's got, is an ACME dynamite kit. It's going to blow up in his face. I'm going to be there when it does."
Keep in mind that Intel has (in concert with mobo OEMs) offered up new UEFI power settings that can lower power consumption (and performance) and were intended to fix this problem (it didn't work). It's unclear as to whether those power settings will be required moving forward.Waiting to see the performance with the fix and how it compares to a direct CPU comparison from AMD
That's curious. It'll be interesting if the official firmware fix from Intel has the same impact.limiting to 1.4v disabled the 6ghz boost on 2 cores, loses 1000 points on cinebench23.
Maybe then we'll see a recall of boxed CPUs so Intel can replace them with boxes mentioning the newly revised frequencies.That's curious. It'll be interesting if the official firmware fix from Intel has the same impact.
Intel is not going to recall anything. Their best strategy would be to just honor RMA requests on i7 and i9 chips.Maybe then we'll see a recall of boxed CPUs so Intel can replace them with boxes mentioning the newly revised frequencies.
Now it would be great to know at what VID all those damaged chips degraded at. Buildzoid says 1.4v is a conservative value to be on the safe side, but is it really? He says with the i7 the worst VID at max frequency he saw was 1.43v, but it would be interesting to know whether that really covers all cases for lower affected chips as well.Buildzoid shows the transient 1.6v spikes and goes over gigabyte bios settings to limit VID requests from the intel cpu.
setting change at the 12min mark.
limiting to 1.4v disabled the 6ghz boost on 2 cores, loses 1000 points on cinebench23.
With over 12 million members, this is what the top of the feed at r/PCMR looks like at the moment -
We have 40 i7-13700KF at work, 4 of them already died!
Streisand Effect is fully activated. To quote The Avengers - "What he's got, is an ACME dynamite kit. It's going to blow up in his face. I'm going to be there when it does."
Yea, bad enough when it was just the high end K models affected. At least DIYers could return the cpu and get it replaced. Now that it appears to affect lower end systems, what about prebuilts? Most people who bought them wont be willing or able to replace the cpu. So who is responsible for the fix? Are the builders going to replace the cpu or replace the entire unit? Seems highly unlikely. I really would like to support intel, because they get so much hate on these forums. However, their desktop products are a disaster now. ARL doesnt seem to move the performance needle much, and now two previous generations are showing stability issues. Really hard to justify going Intel on the desktop now, unless you go for the budget segment.Even with BIOS updates and microcode fixes, I'm honestly going to replace this CPU at this rate. I do fairly important stuff on my system, not just gaming, and the idea of data corruption or general instability sneaking in eventually isn't ideal.
Just, I don't get how Intel can get away with this. It's a defective product.
Yeah, I actually like the new Intel. They've made some great moves.Yea, bad enough when it was just the high end K models affected. At least DIYers could return the cpu and get it replaced. Now that it appears to affect lower end systems, what about prebuilts? Most people who bought them wont be willing or able to replace the cpu. So who is responsible for the fix? Are the builders going to replace the cpu or replace the entire unit? Seems highly unlikely. I really would like to support intel, because they get so much hate on these forums. However, their desktop products are a disaster now. ARL doesnt seem to move the performance needle much, and now two previous generations are showing stability issues. Really hard to justify going Intel on the desktop now, unless you go for the budget segment.
There is at least one major S.I. that is failing 10-25% of raptor during their testing now. Prebuilts under warranty can and do have the whole system shipped back.Yea, bad enough when it was just the high end K models affected. At least DIYers could return the cpu and get it replaced. Now that it appears to affect lower end systems, what about prebuilts? Most people who bought them wont be willing or able to replace the cpu. So who is responsible for the fix? Are the builders going to replace the cpu or replace the entire unit? Seems highly unlikely.
You call it hate. I call it accurate observations describing decades of anti competitive and anti consumer practices. This is but the latest example. I'd say SSDD, but things are different this time, all the usual tactics of whataboutism, astroturfing, gaslighting, and shooting the messenger are failing miserably. Nvidia won a whole generation of gamers by executing at the right time while AMD kept stumbling along and failing to keep up. From where I am sitting, that dynamic is playing out in CPUs now. Intel is cementing a bad rep with the zoomers that will haunt them for years and years.I really would like to support intel, because they get so much hate on these forums
Who's going to go with Intel for budget when the upgrade path is so limited, and every tech tuber worth their salt is telling them not to buy Intel? No one is going to have any confidence in Bartlet if it does come to desktop, and it is starting to look like even money or better they won't even try to make that happen.. However, their desktop products are a disaster now. ARL doesnt seem to move the performance needle much, and now two previous generations are showing stability issues. Really hard to justify going Intel on the desktop now, unless you go for the budget segment.
Guess their Alder Lake fabs will keep churning for a while, creating 12700K/12900Ks for fulfilling RMAs for dead Raptor Lakes, along with a Steam code voucher for your game of choice.
It doesn't need to be dead.They have stated all damage is permanent. You can't know how much degradation yours has suffered. Tell them you have followed all of the advice on r/Inel tech support and after a few weeks the instability in games came back. They should RMA you no questions asked.How do I go about with an RMA of a non-dead 13600KF? Is it even possible?
Honestly, considering getting a 12700KF to replace it. But I shouldn't have to pay.
It doesn't need to be dead.They have stated all damage is permanent. You can't know how much degradation yours has suffered. Tell them you have followed all of the advice on r/Inel tech support and after a few weeks the instability in games came back. They should RMA you no questions asked.
I'd wait until your boardmaker releases the bios with the new microcode before RMAing. That way you can hopefully start off fresh.