Intel Q2 Financials- revenue down, profit down, datacenter up

[teejee]

Ok thanks,

I believe that VMs are not suitable for small businesses with 5-20 or in some cases even 30-50 PCs. You need a powerful, very expensive server (metal), high cost for OS and applications, high administrator cost etc etc.
Those small businesses will be perfectly fine by using low cost, low power Desktops today and for the near future.

For larger businesses and corporates with 50 PCs and higher, its highly recommend to transition to VMs.

But you don't need to run the servers yourself, you just buy access for X numbers of employees to the needed applications from one of many providers of this. It is perfect for small companies.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Cloud solved the cost issue for any number of employees.

 

[AtenRa]

But you don't need to run the servers yourself, you just buy access for X numbers of employees to the needed applications from one of many providers of this. It is perfect for small companies.

There are a few thinks that you have to consider using Online VMs for those small businesses.

1: You have to convince the appropriate individual or people that this is secure.

2: You need to have 24/365 internet up-time,

3: there is lag associated with those VMs because most, if not all, of the servers are abroad and not in the same country with your office/business.

 

[justanotherboy]

3: there is lag associated with those VMs because most, if not all, of the servers are abroad and not in the same country with your office/business.

I have used a VDI over a WAN dedicated link (not Internet connection) and the lag is horrible. I don't think employees would accept the Internet lag.

 

[krumme]

The hardware cost is neglible in the tco picture. If vm can drive down support and more hiden time consuming cost there could be a case. I just doubt it and the effect of it.
I think the basic challenge is there is just no need for all the computing power. Its that simple. Then other parts of the business gets the investments and IT cost can be lowered.
Thats imo what is going to happen. And whats not to like about that

 

[Ajay]

Desktop is dead, dead, dead.

Yeah, Digitimes reports decreasing sales: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150715PD207.html

In a few years we may only have Asus and Gigabyte left. The next computer I build may be my last one

 

[teejee]

There are a few thinks that you have to consider using Online VMs for those small businesses.

1: You have to convince the appropriate individual or people that this is secure.

2: You need to have 24/365 internet up-time,

3: there is lag associated with those VMs because most, if not all, of the servers are abroad and not in the same country with your office/business.

I know several small companies using cloud services with thin clients, they all use local service providers in the same town. So no lag problems. Why do you suggest bad solutions to "prove" external VM providers are bad?
Why is security worse? It is the opposite, usually small companies have very little resources to create a secure IT solution.

And internet connections (especially for regional connections) for companies where I live are extremely robust.

 

[Abwx]

Intel did not lose money this quarter.

Thanks to indirect subsides by mean of tax reduction, otherwise their net income is substancialy lower, and investors didnt miss the underlying numbers...

I think that it explain today s huge trading volume, despite 2.4bn$ traded the stock didnt move substancialy, this say that investors massively renegociated their positions, and not in a bullish trend direction...

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Cloud solved the cost issue for any number of employees.

Yeah, said by someone who clearly never considered the security issues with hosting sensitive business data in the cloud.

I guess Shintai will be the next celebrity who will have nude pictures leaked from his iCloud account.

 

[dark zero]

Actually the Cloud is even more riskier than having the data on a local server since anyone with some knowledge on how to hack the internet access can steal info like candies!

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yeah, said by someone who clearly never considered the security issues with hosting sensitive business data in the cloud.

I guess Shintai will be the next celebrity who will have nude pictures leaked from his iCloud account.

You got netbanking dont you?

 

[Fjodor2001]

At least the HW cost issue is moot. You can get a good office desktop PC for $500, and a developer computer for $1000. In many developed countries that corresponds to only a few hours of work pay. Depends on type of work of course, but still... At least for SW developers the cost of better hardware usually pays off within a month or so due to higher productivity.

 

[Phynaz]

Ok thanks,

I believe that VMs are not suitable for small businesses with 5-20 or in some cases even 30-50 PCs. You need a powerful, very expensive server (metal), high cost for OS and applications, high administrator cost etc etc.
Those small businesses will be perfectly fine by using low cost, low power Desktops today and for the near future.

For larger businesses and corporates with 50 PCs and higher, its highly recommend to transition to VMs.

Office 365 hosted on Azure. $50 a month per user, support included. That's a godsend for small businesses.

 

[Phynaz]

Yeah, said by someone who clearly never considered the security issues with hosting sensitive business data in the cloud.

I guess Shintai will be the next celebrity who will have nude pictures leaked from his iCloud account.

I would suggest you look at Google's and Microsoft's cloud revenue.

Are you aware of Google or Microsoft or Amazon getting hacked, or are you just flinging hyperbole?

 

[Abwx]

A quick analysis point to those results heading the stock value about 1/3 lower than its current 30$ level on the mid term.

This is assuming that the current results are not priced by the market, wich i dont think they are, a net income 30% lower mandate generaly the same variation for a stock unless there s an exceptional outlook, wich is not the case at all.

 

[dark zero]

I would suggest you look at Google's and Microsoft's cloud revenue.

Are you aware of Google or Microsoft or Amazon getting hacked, or are you just flinging hyperbole?

Check Apple who are way more profitable... and they got hacked... so what assure that the rest won't be hacked after all?

 

[Phynaz]

Apple doesn't offer cloud computing products.

 

[AtenRa]

Office 365 hosted on Azure. $50 a month per user, support included. That's a godsend for small businesses.

Office 365 Home with 5 licenses at 99.00 Euro. That is less than 20.00 Euro per PC per year. Why does the small business needs to pay $600 per PC per year ???

And you dont even need Internet to use it.

Edit: Also, MS Azure European servers are in Ireland and Holland, too much lag for the businesses outside of those countries.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yeah, Digitimes reports decreasing sales: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150715PD207.html

In a few years we may only have Asus and Gigabyte left. The next computer I build may be my last one

Interesting that that Digitimes article continues the line that ECS is no longer producing branded mobos, yet there is an article on AT front page in their motherboards section showing ECS's new Z170 boards, and refuting the Digitimes rumor that ECS is leaving the biz.

Is Digitimes turning into a tabloid?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Edit: Also, MS Azure European servers are in Ireland and Holland, too much lag for the businesses outside of those countries.

Wrong. You never worked with cloud did you?

 

[AtenRa]

Wrong. You never worked with cloud did you?

Even if there is zero lag, the cost for the cloud Office package is 10x times higher than the home edition.

Also, with the cloud you need to have 24/365 internet up-time. What that means is zero hardware failure (modems, switches etc) and internet up-time from your provider.

For small businesses the VMs are not always a cost saver especially for lower than 20-30 PCs.

 

[ShintaiDK]

If you dont already have 99.9x% internet uptime something is seriously wrong with your ISP. But again, you are just moving the goalpost after your flawed lag attempt.

You also forgot support is included with Cloud. Something that is a heavy cost burden for small businesses.

 

[Abwx]

You also forgot support is included with Cloud. Something that is a heavy cost burden for small businesses.

Cloud is eventualy relevant for non critical datas, i dont expect any serious business to upload datas that are strategical, it would be a suicide on the long term...

 

[roob]

Office 365 Home with 5 licenses at 99.00 Euro. That is less than 20.00 Euro per PC per year. Why does the small business needs to pay $600 per PC per year ???

And you dont even need Internet to use it.

Edit: Also, MS Azure European servers are in Ireland and Holland, too much lag for the businesses outside of those countries.

office 365 includes 5 licenses as well. you can use the apps offline, it's a simple install. it also includes an exchange mailbox.

And i'm not sure what the $50 is for, we pay $12.5 a user a month, less than what we previously paid just for exchange.

edit: yeah, the highest package is $20, no idea what the $50 is about.

 

[Fjodor2001]

If you dont already have 99.9x% internet uptime something is seriously wrong with your ISP. But again, you are just moving the goalpost after your flawed lag attempt.

At every company I've worked at we've had at least a couple of network failures per year, lasting a couple of hours each. Sometimes due to local network issues, sometimes external. Each hour of downtime costs a lot of money, since so many employees are affected. At least they can continue to do local work on their PC if the applications are locally installed on it. But if they couldn't even access those applications since they are in the cloud, it would be far worse.