Intel Q2 Financials- revenue down, profit down, datacenter up

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SAAA

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Don't forget 14nm was a 1.5 node jump from 22nm. (16nm would have been a single node jump from 22nm)

With that mentioned, it is true than 14nm to 10nm is only a single node jump.

That's true too, the factor used to be 1.6-1.7x denser than the previous node but this time we got >2x.
Going by the graphs Intel released months ago 10nm should also be close to 2x scaling and cumulative that's a >4x factor. It's like three node jump in two so a 2.5years timeframe isn't bad either.

The largest problem will be getting those node to yield and more economic than 22nm... I can't see that happen easily with triple-quadruple patterning litho.
 

dark zero

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The only way to Intel to dominate tablets and mobiles is to alienate them to use Windows, mouse and Keyboard. Maybe Intel should work with BlackBerry too.
 

AtenRa

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They went for a higher density in order to maintain a viable process due to increase of process development and IC design cost. That is, in order for 14nm and 10nm to be viable for high volume production they had to go for higher density to maintain Moore's low.

But what I have said was about Fabrication utilization, due to a decrease in Desktop and Mobile volumes Intel needs another high volume market to maintain its high fab utilization. They found that in Tablets and phones. Intel would have never engaged in to a low margin market like Tablets and Smart Phones unless they were targeting something else. And what Tablets brings are high volumes that will help maintain high Fab utilization.
 

Abwx

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They found that in Tablets and phones..

They found nothing, only a hole where bn are dumped, actualy if they did throw this production directly to the trash bins rather than subsiding items they would had made much less losses in this segment.

See no other reason for Rene James resigning since it s surely one of her ideas, Kraznich is a guy from the manufacturing side, those people generaly dont see with a favourable eye dumping a production that took much effort to bring to light.
 

carop

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Don't forget 14nm was a 1.5 node jump from 22nm. (16nm would have been a single node jump from 22nm)

With that mentioned, it is true than 14nm to 10nm is only a single node jump.

You seem to be using node names for making some calculations. There is nothing on the 22nm node that measures 22nm, and nothing on 14nm node that measures 14nm unless by a coincidence.

According to Intel, 14nm SRAM memory cell scaled 0.54x whereas the logic area scaled 0.53x.



 

Abwx

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The staff doesnt seem to be bullish...

Brian M Krzanich , CEO of Intel Corp sold 201,547 shares on Jun 3, 2015. The Insider selling transaction was disclosed on Jun 5, 2015 to the Securities and Exchange Commission. The shares were sold at $32.61 per share for a total value of $6,571,722.00.

https://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8766

My previous post about this issue, fully validated by the above :

A quick analysis point to those results heading the stock value about 1/3 lower than its current 30$ level on the mid term.

This is assuming that the current results are not priced by the market, wich i dont think they are, a net income 30% lower mandate generaly the same variation for a stock unless there s an exceptional outlook, wich is not the case at all.
 

ShintaiDK

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The staff doesnt seem to be bullish...

https://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8766

My previous post about this issue, fully validated by the above :

LOL.....

If it wasnt because the wast majority of his pay was done in stock awards and stock options you may be right. But where is the drama in that?

Lets try and see on an example of said persion:
Krzanich was paid a total of $9.6 million last year, including $887,500 in salary, $6.58 million in stock and option awards and $1.87 million in non-equity incentive compensation, the company said today in a filing.

Better research next time. But I am sure you would still try and twist it.
 
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Fjodor2001

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Still, he of course had the option to keep the stocks. If he was bullish on Intel he probably would have, but he decided to sell instead.

But maybe you are suggesting that he is short on cash so he had to sell.
 

ShintaiDK

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Still, he of course had the option to keep the stocks. If he was bullish on Intel he probably would have, but he decided to sell instead.

But maybe you are suggesting that he is short on cash so he had to sell.

Want to compare with AMD or another company? Or will that ruin it all?

Tim Cook, CEO of Apple sells stock every year.
 
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Raftina

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Still, he of course had the option to keep the stocks. If he was bullish on Intel he probably would have, but he decided to sell instead.

But maybe you are suggesting that he is short on cash so he had to sell.
It's almost as if he had to pay $4,000,000+ in income tax in a year in which he got $900,000 of cash salary.
 

Phynaz

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The only reason Intel continues with this Tablet charade is to keep their fabs utilization high because of the Desktop/Laptop volume decline. They already admitted a 2.5 year cadence between new process (14nm and 10nm), without those tablet volumes they would go to 3 year cadence or even more.

Maybe AMD should follow suit. They seem to having a problem with fab orders.
 

Phynaz

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Still, he of course had the option to keep the stocks. If he was bullish on Intel he probably would have, but he decided to sell instead.

But maybe you are suggesting that he is short on cash so he had to sell.

Another stupid post that proves you know nothing about finance.

When options are exercised you have to pay the tax on those options. Do you know many people that a few million dollars liquid?
 
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Still, he of course had the option to keep the stocks. If he was bullish on Intel he probably would have, but he decided to sell instead.

But maybe you are suggesting that he is short on cash so he had to sell.

I would say insider buying is a far more useful indicator of potential share price performance than insider selling.
 

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Still, he of course had the option to keep the stocks. If he was bullish on Intel he probably would have, but he decided to sell instead.

But maybe you are suggesting that he is short on cash so he had to sell.

Usually is not the safest bet to tie all your equity to the place you are earning your salary.
 

AtenRa

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Three words:

Wafer Supply Agreement

They already said they will re-profile the agreement.

Vivek Arya - Bank of America Merrill LynchThanks for taking my question. On the Wafer Supply Agreement with GLOBALFOUNDRIES, I believe it was for $1 billion-plus or so this year. And so far you were done with $367 million. I'm just curious, Devinder, do you think you will be able to fulfill this obligation this year? And if not, are there any financial implications we should be taking into account?


Devinder Kumar - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice PresidentYes, Vivek, I think on the Wafer Supply Agreement, we have taken about $400 million-plus for the year against the commitment we made earlier this year. But we are working actively to re-profile our wafer purchase commitment with GLOBALFOUNDRIES, in particular, given the business outlook.


Vivek Arya - Bank of America Merrill Lynch
So do you anticipate any financial implications that we should be taking into account when we look at your cash flow model?


Devinder Kumar - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice PresidentI think other than re-profiling the wafer purchase commitments, when you re-profile obviously there is a linkage to the cash from an outflow standpoint because the purchases happen and then the cash is paid out. But other than that, that would be – I don't anticipate any financial implications.
 

Abwx

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Another stupid post that proves you know nothing about finance.

When options are exercised you have to pay the tax on those options. Do you know many people that a few million dollars liquid?

Since when one has to pay taxes when he buy stocks..??..

Tax occur when stocks are sold with a benefit, all the time they are detained without being sold ther s no tax since the benefit is only potential or even non existing if the stock value is below the options prices.

In this case Kraznich opinion is that the stock value will decrease in the coming months, otherwise he wouldnt have sold his stocks.
 

mrmt

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Maybe AMD should follow suit. They seem to having a problem with fab orders.

And they don't seem to have any control over the issue. According to Kumar all they can do is actively beg Globalfoundries to forget the "pay" part of their take-or-pay agreement because there's nothing they can do about it.
 

ShintaiDK

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In this case Kraznich opinion is that the stock value will decrease in the coming months, otherwise he wouldnt have sold his stocks.

Did Apple stocks decline the last 5 years? I mean Tim Cook and the rest of the management in Apple is dropping stocks left and right every year. He sold for 35 million stocks last time. Clearly a company going down....right? I mean thats what your "logic" dictates.
 

ShintaiDK

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They already said they will re-profile the agreement.

Isnt that what they do every year when their revenue drops further into the bottomless hole? Yet they are always way behind the curve. So AMD keeps paying more than they should. And GloFo is laughing all the way to the bank for having such a customer.
 

Fjodor2001

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Another stupid post that proves you know nothing about finance.

When options are exercised you have to pay the tax on those options. Do you know many people that a few million dollars liquid?

And you think he only owns Intel stocks?

He could sell any asset he's got to pay for the tax, but he decided to sell Intel stocks.
 

ShintaiDK

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And you think he only owns Intel stocks?

He could sell any asset he's got to pay for the tax, but he decided to sell Intel stocks.

Since you obviously know everything about his private economy. Could you detail it for us? Even Apple execs dont keep their stock options. Neither does AMD for that matter. Or Google.
 

NTMBK

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And you think he only owns Intel stocks?

He could sell any asset he's got to pay for the tax, but he decided to sell Intel stocks.

He already owns a huge chunk of Intel stock (previous years' pay packets), why add even more to his portfolio? Better to sell it and buy a variety of different stocks, spread his portfolio and reduce his risk.
 

Abwx

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Did Apple stocks decline the last 5 years? I mean Tim Cook and the rest of the management in Apple is dropping stocks left and right every year. He sold for 35 million stocks last time. Clearly a company going down....right? I mean thats what your "logic" dictates.

They are in the same situation as Intel, albeit in a more competitive market, with exceptional profitability that is way above hystorical means.

As such everybody qualified in the market know that on the long term the profitabilty will decrease and so will the stock value, currently both stocks are the recipe of huge shorts allowed by massive capitalisations that reduce substancially the risks, i mean who can buy Intel or Apple at its current value..??..
 
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