Intel Q6600 vs. AMD Phenom 9600

[IQJUMPuw]

I tried searching but couldn't really find any reviews or articles comparing these quad-core processors. Does anyone know where I can find them by any chance?

I can either go with Q6600 system or Phenom 9600 system but Phenom 9600 system is about $150 cheaper (both systems have 4GB RAM, 640GB HDD, same vid card). I know Intel Quad-cores are supposed to be a little faster but I don't know if it gives the best bang for your buck.

 

[kotrtim]

http://www.tomshardware.com/ch...rs/xvid-1-1-2,403.html

Here you go, choose the benchmark you want to compare.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: IQJUMPuw
I tried searching but couldn't really find any reviews or articles comparing these quad-core processors. Does anyone know where I can find them by any chance?

I can either go with Q6600 system or Phenom 9600 system but Phenom 9600 system is about $150 cheaper (both systems have 4GB RAM, 640GB HDD, same vid card). I know Intel Quad-cores are supposed to be a little faster but I don't know if it gives the best bang for your buck.

....

overclocking factor?

AMD shouldnt even be considered if your overclocking.

Not overclocking, and Not looking for high power? The Phenom will do fine.

 

[OCGuy]

I heard Phenoms cant even browse the interwebs and will crash when loading Solitaire! :Q



But seriously like aigo said, if you arent going to OC, save the $150 and take the signifigant other out somewhere nice...if you are planning on OCing or learning how to OC, the Q6600 is a no-brainer.

 

[error8]

Really, there is no comparison between those two. You'll be better comparing Phenom 9600 with some dual core from Intel. The heat output, the TLB erratum, the lack of any basic overclocking ability and the pure performance makes the 9600 not worthy of your money in any situation.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: error8
Really, there is no comparison between those two. You'll be better comparing Phenom 9600 with some dual core from Intel. The heat output, the TLB erratum, the lack of any basic overclocking ability and the pure performance makes the 9600 not worthy of your money in any situation.

TLB erratum is a non issue right now.

 

[heyheybooboo]

^^^^^ No wonder he/she calls him/herself error.

If you will use software that will run multiple parallel threads across four cpu cores then the two microprocessors are roughly similar. This software is almost exclusively limited to video encoding.

If you are primarily considering this as a gaming machine I would recommend that your forget about 4 cores and find a faster, cheaper two core machine.

With the money you save you can purchase a video card (HD4850, anyone? Or an 8800gt for $50 less) with an Antec Earthwatts 430w power supply ($60 - $30mir = $30)

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: error8
Really, there is no comparison between those two. You'll be better comparing Phenom 9600 with some dual core from Intel. The heat output, the TLB erratum, the lack of any basic overclocking ability and the pure performance makes the 9600 not worthy of your money in any situation.

TLB erratum is a non issue right now.

You are thinking of the xx50's, yes?

The 9600 (versus the 9650) contains the unfixed TLB erratum, patching via BIOS is possible with severe performance impact of course.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
But seriously like aigo said, if you arent going to OC, save the $150 and take the signifigant other out somewhere nice...

Save the $150, spend it on the Significant Other. Got it .

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: error8
Really, there is no comparison between those two. You'll be better comparing Phenom 9600 with some dual core from Intel. The heat output, the TLB erratum, the lack of any basic overclocking ability and the pure performance makes the 9600 not worthy of your money in any situation.

TLB erratum is a non issue right now.

You are thinking of the xx50's, yes?

The 9600 (versus the 9650) contains the unfixed TLB erratum, patching via BIOS is possible with severe performance impact of course.

I think the OP is looking at an OEM pre-built and has caught that 'Quad Fever'

Might need some more cowbell (and a fast dual core)

 

[IQJUMPuw]

I don't plan on overclocking at all. I do plan on using the system to mainly play games and watch movies though.

Is $150 price difference enough to justify Q6600 over Phenom 9600? I've looked at that chart from tomshardware but they only have Phenom 9500 listed. :-/

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
But seriously like aigo said, if you arent going to OC, save the $150 and take the signifigant other out somewhere nice...

Save the $150, spend it on the Significant Other. Got it .

bah..

what if i told you i could get the cpu's for it.

But that board is whats holding me down. :T


Oh i'll be posting a mini review on a extra special chip i'll be getting soon.

Its kinda like pesephone only with the X taken out of it, and its ES. :T

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
^^^^^ No wonder he/she calls him/herself error.

If you will use software that will run multiple parallel threads across four cpu cores then the two microprocessors are roughly similar. This software is almost exclusively limited to video encoding.

If you are primarily considering this as a gaming machine I would recommend that your forget about 4 cores and find a faster, cheaper two core machine.

With the money you save you can purchase a video card (HD4850, anyone? Or an 8800gt for $50 less) with an Antec Earthwatts 430w power supply ($60 - $30mir = $30)

He never said what he is going to do with his computer, so for the majority of applications the Phenom 9600 is pretty much eaten by fast dual cores from Intel or the Q6600. The TLB erratum fix will also add a 20% penalty in overall performance, so what the hell do you find good at this cpu??? EXXXX series are doing great in divx video encoding thanks to the SSE4.1.

He could just get that Q6600 or something like Phenom 9550-9750 for example, but not the defective 9600.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Oh i'll be posting a mini review on a extra special chip i'll be getting soon.

Its kinda like pesephone only with the X taken out of it, and its ES. :T

:Q
Thou tempeth...

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Oh i'll be posting a mini review on a extra special chip i'll be getting soon.

Its kinda like pesephone only with the X taken out of it, and its ES. :T

You got one of those soon to be released low-power X4's? (the sub 65W TDP guys)

No way you are getting your fingers on a Shanghai...is there? :shocked:

 

[aigomorla]

i got a Q9650 ES coming in a couple of days. Its on "Semi-Perminent LOAN"
Meaning i get to keep it until intel asks it back from the person i am borrowing it from. Should that ever happen.

And i will review it since there is like 0 reviews on this guy.

Its going to be my first mini review, so bear with me.


Its going on an open bench air platform. I'll probably show what it can do @ stock voltage, and at 1.45V.

I dont intend on passing 1.45V like misinformed people do, so dont ask me what max oc is.


Any benches you guys want, i'll start a thread when i get the chip for requests.
OS Platform will be Vista Ultimate. x64
No i wont change OS because i hate installing OS.

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Oh i'll be posting a mini review on a extra special chip i'll be getting soon.

Its kinda like pesephone only with the X taken out of it, and its ES. :T

You got one of those soon to be released low-power X4's? (the sub 65W TDP guys)

No way you are getting your fingers on a Shanghai...is there? :shocked:

Amber was showing smackover, well significant other. Neha's X58 Chipset board.
I was offered to test a NEHA. However they couldnt get me a board.

How funny is that? Being offered the chip, but having a shortage on boards.



Anyhow sorry for the thread jack!
OP, dont get the 9600. Get the 9x50 series with the bugs fixed if you are going phenom. I didnt realize you were looking at the old Phenoms until i carefully read everything.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: IQJUMPuw
Is $150 price difference enough to justify Q6600 over Phenom 9600? I've looked at that chart from tomshardware but they only have Phenom 9500 listed. :-/

No.

Originally posted by: error8
He never said what he is going to do with his computer

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Originally posted by: IQJUMPuw
I don't plan on overclocking at all. I do plan on using the system to mainly play games and watch movies though.

HDTV Playback
Blue ray disc with PowerDVD 7.3 (60 sec. of James Bond Casino Royale)
% CPU Utilizatuin

Phenom 9600 = 18%
C2Q q6600 = 21.5%

Mainconcept H.264 Encoder
24 sec HDTV 1920x1080 mpeg2 (mpeg2 to H.264)

Phenom 9600 = 65 sec
C2Q q6600 = 69 sec

Clone DVD 2.908
Transcoding DVD 9 to DVD 5 GB (Terminator 2 SE) (Convert DVD-9 to DVD-5)

Phenom 9600 = 529 sec
C2Q q6600 = 504 sec

Premiere Pro 2.0
MPEG2 (24 Sec. HDTV 1920 x 1080) to (WMV9 (1920 x 1080))

q6600 = 154 sec
Phenom 9600 = 164 sec

Divx 6.6.1
2 Minutes DVD Terminator 2 SE (Encoding 720x576 16:9 @ 25 fps)

q6600 = 90 sec
Phenom 9600 = 100 sec

From Tom's CPU Chart

Originally posted by: error8
He could just get that Q6600 or something like Phenom 9550-9750 for example, but not the defective 9600.

Perhaps you will link to all the websites that crashed a Phenom 9600 doing gaming or watching video - or stop lying. You clearly have no idea what the TLB errata was all about.


As I said ...

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
^^^^^ No wonder he/she calls him/herself error.

If you will use software that will run multiple parallel threads across four cpu cores then the two microprocessors are roughly similar. This software is almost exclusively limited to video encoding.

If you are primarily considering this as a gaming machine I would recommend that you forget about 4 cores and find a faster, cheaper two core machine.

With the money you save you can purchase a video card (HD4850, anyone? Or an 8800gt for $50 less) with an Antec Earthwatts 430w power supply ($60 - $30mir = $30)

 

[IQJUMPuw]

I think I'll go for the Phenom setup.

Local retailer is having a sale on a Gateway system.

Phenom Quad-Core 9600
Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit
4GB RAM
640GB HDD
Radeon HD 2400
for $599.99

I already have a GeForce 8800GT so I'll just use that. This system is actually $190 cheaper than the Q6600 except the Q6600 comes with a GeForce 8500GT. Do you think that's a pretty good deal?

I don't burn movies at all actually. I plan on using this computer to watch DVD's and play games like Age of Conan and WarCraft III (DOTA).

 

[daveybrat]

$599 is a decent price for that pc and you won't run into any TLB errata bugs doing what you'll be doing. For gaming and dvd's and such you'll be fine.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: IQJUMPuw
I think I'll go for the Phenom setup.

Local retailer is having a sale on a Gateway system.

Phenom Quad-Core 9600
Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit
4GB RAM
640GB HDD
Radeon HD 2400
for $599.99

I already have a GeForce 8800GT so I'll just use that. This system is actually $190 cheaper than the Q6600 except the Q6600 comes with a GeForce 8500GT. Do you think that's a pretty good deal?

I don't burn movies at all actually. I plan on using this computer to watch DVD's and play games like Age of Conan and WarCraft III (DOTA).

As i said there is nothing wrong with a phenom machine if your not overclocking.

It will do whatever you need and probably more.

 

[kotrtim]

Originally posted by: IQJUMPuw
Is $150 price difference enough to justify Q6600 over Phenom 9600? I've looked at that chart from tomshardware but they only have Phenom 9500 listed. :-/

Check properly, click "View all Products" at the bottom of the chart, 9600 is there

All CPU have bugs (hundreds of them), they will correct the bugs each new revision, and its not easy to trigger the bug. It requires a combination of code in order to trigger the bug. Buy 9650 if you can, but 9600 is OK, can work without the patch

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: IQJUMPuw
Is $150 price difference enough to justify Q6600 over Phenom 9600? I've looked at that chart from tomshardware but they only have Phenom 9500 listed. :-/

No.

Originally posted by: error8
He never said what he is going to do with his computer

\/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/

Originally posted by: IQJUMPuw
I don't plan on overclocking at all. I do plan on using the system to mainly play games and watch movies though.

HDTV Playback
Blue ray disc with PowerDVD 7.3 (60 sec. of James Bond Casino Royale)
% CPU Utilizatuin

Phenom 9600 = 18%
C2Q q6600 = 21.5%

Mainconcept H.264 Encoder
24 sec HDTV 1920x1080 mpeg2 (mpeg2 to H.264)

Phenom 9600 = 65 sec
C2Q q6600 = 69 sec

Clone DVD 2.908
Transcoding DVD 9 to DVD 5 GB (Terminator 2 SE) (Convert DVD-9 to DVD-5)

Phenom 9600 = 529 sec
C2Q q6600 = 504 sec

Premiere Pro 2.0
MPEG2 (24 Sec. HDTV 1920 x 1080) to (WMV9 (1920 x 1080))

q6600 = 154 sec
Phenom 9600 = 164 sec

Divx 6.6.1
2 Minutes DVD Terminator 2 SE (Encoding 720x576 16:9 @ 25 fps)

q6600 = 90 sec
Phenom 9600 = 100 sec

From Tom's CPU Chart

Originally posted by: error8
He could just get that Q6600 or something like Phenom 9550-9750 for example, but not the defective 9600.

Perhaps you will link to all the websites that crashed a Phenom 9600 doing gaming or watching video - or stop lying. You clearly have no idea what the TLB errata was all about.


As I said ...

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
^^^^^ No wonder he/she calls him/herself error.

If you will use software that will run multiple parallel threads across four cpu cores then the two microprocessors are roughly similar. This software is almost exclusively limited to video encoding.

If you are primarily considering this as a gaming machine I would recommend that you forget about 4 cores and find a faster, cheaper two core machine.

With the money you save you can purchase a video card (HD4850, anyone? Or an 8800gt for $50 less) with an Antec Earthwatts 430w power supply ($60 - $30mir = $30)

Use google and don't call me a liar. You are so sure that he will not have any problems with it!? It's like you can see into the future or something....
Some links:
http://www.tomshardware.com/fo...d-shipping-flaky-cores
http://forums.amd.com/forum/me...erthread=y&STARTPAGE=1
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=551408

I can give you more links if you really like, but I'm sure it's impossible to convince you about anything. But well, what can you expect from someone that calls himself heyheybooboo.

Also, for playing games and watching movies a fast dual core would have been a better choice for the OP. There is no need for a quad really.

 

[harpoon84]

I'd agree with error8 here, if you're gonna play games and watch movies (not encode) then you really don't need anything more than a fast dual core. Something like an E8400 (or even E7200 if you wanna save some money) would be a better option for you. The vast majority of games don't take advantage of quad cores, so a higher clocked dual core CPU will give better gaming performance in most cases.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: error8
He could just get that Q6600 or something like Phenom 9550-9750 for example, but not the defective 9600.

Perhaps you will link to all the websites that crashed a Phenom 9600 doing gaming or watching video - or stop lying. You clearly have no idea what the TLB errata was all about.

If the TLB bug were not an issue for the desktop environment then surely AMD would not have needlessly shot themselves in the foot by requiring B2 stepping Phenom's be patched by BIOS and B3 stepping Phenom's contain the TLB workaround in silicon.

If the TLB bug were merely an issue for server environment situations then everything regarding TLB bug would have been restricted to Barcelona and nothing would have been bled over to Phenom.

Clearly something happens with Phenoms on desktop situations and the internal observation of this scared the crap out of enough decision makers at AMD as to motivate them to include Phenom in the TLB patch program.

No one should need to provide links of whether anyone in the consumer sector figured out how to crash a Phenom for TLB violations...we should be allowed to trust AMD to have correctly identified this to be a relevant issue for the desktop when they have made it public policy to treat it as such.

If you can't trust the CPU manufacturer to correctly make and apply these distinctions to their own processor SKU's then you really shouldn't trust them regarding anything else they claim about their product lineup.

 

[aigomorla]

guys human nature dictates we want a problem free product, even if the problem doesnt apply to you.

Does the 9600 have a TLB problem? yes it does.

Is there a fix for it? Yes there is.

Are there revisions for it. Yes the model cpu numbers were changed to show that.

Human nature says, we want the fixed processor, not the bugged processor, even tho the bug doesnt apply to us.


Human nature is greater then any reasoning. Unless Your not human.

OP unless you really dont care, just grab the 9600. However i know something will eat at you in the back of your head on you not geting the Q6600.