Intel Retailers Raise CPU Prices After Bulldozer Launch

[Chiropteran]

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

Get a grip. Stop acting like some kid on the playground stole your ball because some people are being more critical of Bulldozer than you think they should be.

Lies. They are called lies, not "being more critical". I don't think we should be encouraging lies on this forum.

 

[Arg Clin]

Not a huge jump. I wouldn't worry much, Intel has been ahead of AMD since SB launched, so far with Bulldozer things are really just status quo.

The lack of competition in the high end will materialize in long term negative effects (lack of product refreshment) - not day-to-day price jumps.

Even then, very few people actually need to CPU upgrade these days. Any < 2 years old CPU will be more than adequate for most users, even most enthusiasts IMO.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Lies. They are called lies, not "being more critical". I don't think we should be encouraging lies on this forum.

Huh?

No, sorry its being critical. BD really does suck that bad.

 

[zsdersw]

Lies. They are called lies, not "being more critical". I don't think we should be encouraging lies on this forum.

Hyperbole != lies. Everyone who browses CPU enthusiast forums knows what's hyperbole and what isn't.

 

[ImpulsE69]

You can still get 2500k for $189 - or less if you have a MC nearby (damn them). I just picked one up from NCIX a few days ago.

 

[Chiropteran]

Everyone who browses CPU enthusiast forums knows what's hyperbole and what isn't.

This...

Huh?

No, sorry its being critical. BD really does suck that bad.

...is not hyperbole. It's impossible to test, but I'd bet that there are a good number of posters who really do believe they are passing off facts while they post lies about bulldozer.

 

[Edrick]

but I'd bet that there are a good number of posters who really do believe they are passing off facts while they post lies about bulldozer.

And I bet there are a good number of AMD fanboys who are cherry picking benchmarks to make BD not look as bad as it really is.

 

[RussianSensation]

Intel should not lower prices on 2500k/2600k for a couple reasons:

1) They are better than AMD's offerings, so why lower prices on products that sell well to begin with?

2) If Intel lowered prices on 2500k even more, say to $189, it would obsolete the FX-6100 as well. No one wants to see a bankrupt AMD. Intel knows they have to maintain an aura of competitive landscape or they may get fined again.

 

[Rvenger]

Guru3D - In order to fix some of these performance issues, AMD could be working on developing a B3 stepping of the Bulldozer architecture.

I really hope this happens.

 

[StrangerGuy]

I quoted my post, why don't you read it?

Yes, it's not that good and Intel is better for the regular user but Bulldozer is far from being a fail, dud, shitty, crap, slow, turd, etc etc.

Actually if you take into account the fact that they moved to a new process AND a completely new architecture simultaneously, the Bulldozer is quite an accomplishment. The next ones will be better, in the meantime nobody is forced to buy. Let's see Intel try that and do better.


A small number of enthusiasts who have wet dreams with the IPC, single threaded performance and useless synthetic benchmarks filled the Internet (including the major social sites) with such pejoratives about the Bulldozer and here's the result.

The same people blasted the Thuban a while ago and for the same reasons (slower than the X4, etc). Now they claim that the Thuban is not so bad.

BTW, for the regular user the IPC and single threaded performance is sufficient since the days of the C2D and C2Q.

What you just typed is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever read. At no point in your rambling incoherent response, were&#65279; you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this page is now dumber for reading it.

 

[Chiropteran]

And I bet there are a good number of AMD fanboys who are cherry picking benchmarks to make BD not look as bad as it really is.

Heh, this is how it goes...

Enraged Guy: Bulldozer sucks so much, it's the slowest at everything and always uses more power!

Me: What about this benchmark? It doesn't use more power here, and it also performs better.

Enraged Guy: Well you just cherry-picked that benchmark!

Me: It's from the Anandtechs review...

Enraged Guy: Look at this benchmark, from this 3rd world review website, using a program nobody has heard of... Phenom 2 X6 is faster than Fx-8150!

 

[zsdersw]

This...


...is not hyperbole. It's impossible to test, but I'd bet that there are a good number of posters who really do believe they are passing off facts while they post lies about bulldozer.

Yes it is hyperbole. Being impossible to test is a red-flag that you're reading/listening to hyperbole.

Of course you'd make that bet, because you're an idiot.

*Hands zsdersw a mirror*
Calling other people idiots is never appropriate here.
-ViRGE

 

[formulav8]

Of course you'd make that bet, because you're an idiot.

Grow up. :thumbsdown:

 

[Axon]

Our definition of a lie is becoming comically thin. Bulldozer is a disappointing CPU to many in the enthusiast community. How is that a lie? Opinions are not lies. I know I was certainly disappointed by bulldozer's performance.

 

[zsdersw]

Grow up. :thumbsdown:

You first.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Heh, this is how it goes...

Enraged Guy: Bulldozer sucks so much, it's the slowest at everything and always uses more power!

Me: What about this benchmark? It doesn't use more power here, and it also performs better.

Enraged Guy: Well you just cherry-picked that benchmark!

Me: It's from the Anandtechs review...

Enraged Guy: Look at this benchmark, from this 3rd world review website, using a program nobody has heard of... Phenom 2 X6 is faster than Fx-8150!

Yeah... no, that's not how it goes. Even on the rare occasions that it's faster than the i5 it also consumes a lot more power and gets lower performance/watt.

And there are definitely cases where it's slower than the Phenom II X6, like compiling on Visual Studio and gaming.

 

[AdamK47]

I'm less worried about pricing and more worried about the lack of innovation.

 

[Chiropteran]

Our definition of a lie is becoming comically thin. Bulldozer is a disappointing CPU to many in the enthusiast community. How is that a lie? Opinions are not lies. I know I was certainly disappointed by bulldozer's performance.

It's not a lie. I have no problem with people saying it's disappointing. I was disappointed too.

Yeah... no, that's not how it goes. Even on the rare occasions that it's faster than the i5 it also consumes a lot more power and gets lower performance/watt.

And there are definitely cases where it's slower than the Phenom II X6, like compiling on Visual Studio and gaming.

Er, the enraged posters are claiming bulldozer is slower and hotter than 1100T phenoms. I didn't mention i5 for a reason. That is where I have a problem, as benchmarks easily show the FX-8150 performing better than thuban in many cases, and using less power in several cases as well.

 

[Jacky60]

Thanks AMD! Years late, performs worse than Phenom II, costs more to make than Phenom II, and now it pushes up the price of Intel CPUs because it sucks so much.

Is it going to resurrect Hitler next?

Lol fair question!

 

[mosox]

What you just typed is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever read. At no point in your rambling incoherent response, were&#65279; you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this page is now dumber for reading it.

and from an older post of yours.:

The more you post, the more IQ points we lose for reading them.

You are really useless and your contribution is zero. And you haven't any IQ points to lose anyway.

 

[Chiropteran]

Yes it is hyperbole. Being impossible to test is a red-flag that you're reading/listening to hyperbole.

No. Hyperbole is when you make an obvious exaggeration that is clearly not true.

Example, "that computer weighs a ton". The computer doesn't weigh a ton, and the person saying it weighs a ton knows it doesn't weigh a ton, but he is exaggerating anyway.

An impossible to test opinion is just that, an opinion. It can't be proven and as such it isn't hyperbole because it isn't clearly false.

 

[zsdersw]

No. Hyperbole is when you make an obvious exaggeration that is clearly not true.

Example, "that computer weighs a ton". The computer doesn't weigh a ton, and the person saying it weighs a ton knows it doesn't weigh a ton, but he is exaggerating anyway.

An impossible to test opinion is just that, an opinion. It can't be proven and as such it isn't hyperbole because it isn't clearly false.

Yes. Those aren't the only examples of hyperbole. Saying something "sucks that bad" is hyperbole and so is saying "it's a zillion times worse". Neither can be measured. The first because it cannot be quantified and the second because such a quantity doesn't exist.

"Sucks that bad" is an exaggeration and also hyperbole... it suggests that the difference between it and its competition is night-and-day.

"It's a zillion times worse" is an exaggeration, too... people make up all sorts of numbers that don't exist.

 

[Axon]

It's not a lie. I have no problem with people saying it's disappointing. I was disappointed too.

Er, the enraged posters are claiming bulldozer is slower and hotter than 1100T phenoms. I didn't mention i5 for a reason. That is where I have a problem, as benchmarks easily show the FX-8150 performing better than thuban in many cases, and using less power in several cases as well.

I don't know about many cases, but I did see the FX-8150 dominate the winzip bench. There are many perfectly legit benchmarks where the 8150 barely edges the 1100T. I can recall some where it does not even beat the 1100T as well. To that point, the 2500k generally beats it across the board.

I agree with the whole "bulldozer didn't kill your children, it's really not that terrible" concept, but AMD needs to go back to the drawing board with this architecture. Hopefully they can turn it around, Fermi style.

 

[zlejedi]

Lies. They are called lies, not "being more critical". I don't think we should be encouraging lies on this forum.

I'd be carefull with that rethoric. After all if it were implemented as suggested we would need to ban all those poor guys who still live in denial and try to defend BD to make sure noone false victim to their delusions and buy Bulldozer cpu from misinformation.

 

[Venom20]

Thank you Chiropteran, hopefully now people will stop arguing what is and what isn't a hyperbole.

While I agree that raising the prices slightly is a dickish move, try to remember that it is a business, and thusly they are permitted to making good business decisions. It's clear that AMD has dropped the ball, and Intel is making a business move to raise revenues.

Also the 2500 has not increased in price here since at least May, unsure about the 2600 since I didn't pay much attention.

they're still really cheap at microcenter

congrats, not everyone has the "microcenter luxury"