Intel Retailers Raise CPU Prices After Bulldozer Launch

[zsdersw]

Thank you Chiropteran, hopefully now people will stop arguing what is and what isn't a hyperbole.

When he gets it right the arguing will stop. His definition of hyperbole is woefully incomplete.

 

[StrangerGuy]

I don't know about many cases, but I did see the FX-8150 dominate the winzip bench. There are many perfectly legit benchmarks where the 8150 barely edges the 1100T. I can recall some where it does not even beat the 1100T as well. To that point, the 2500k generally beats it across the board.

I agree with the whole "bulldozer didn't kill your children, it's really not that terrible" concept, but AMD needs to go back to the drawing board with this architecture. Hopefully they can turn it around, Fermi style.

Yet another "wait for future BD incarnations" argument. Whatever AMD is going to do in the future is not going to change the fact the BD sucks right now.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

It's not a lie. I have no problem with people saying it's disappointing. I was disappointed too.




Er, the enraged posters are claiming bulldozer is slower and hotter than 1100T phenoms. I didn't mention i5 for a reason. That is where I have a problem, as benchmarks easily show the FX-8150 performing better than thuban in many cases, and using less power in several cases as well.

Well, it is slower on those two scenarios I mentioned previously than the Phenom II X6. Actually, make that three: audio encoding. Four now, including 3D rendering. It's not that people are making up that it's overall horrible; the unfortunate truth of the matter is that it is.

In terms of power consumption it does a tiny bit better than the X6 at idle, and on average consumes either a bit more or the same at load in most workloads. Once overclocked, though, it rears its ugly head. Apply more voltage and both overvolted it consumes a lot more power than the X6, and also gets hotter as a result. With a high-end air cooler you'll be seeing around 50C at full load out of an X6, 60-65C out of Bulldozer.

The i5-2500K does anywhere from good to great in everything, which is why overall it's a better processor. It's not weak at anything, it has great efficiency, and has a good CPU and platform cost.

and from an older post of yours.:



You are really useless and your contribution is zero. And you haven't any IQ points to lose anyway.

Define.

All you've done is post statements that don't make any sense and have been refuted already.

 

[Axon]

Yet another "wait for future BD incarnations" argument. Whatever AMD is going to do in the future is not going to change the fact the BD sucks right now.

Hm? Did I not say it was bad? I'm simply saying that, like Fermi (the former "let's fry an egg on this thing LOLLZZZZ" laughing stock that is now beast mode), you never know what a product refresh can do. I'm not holding my breath, but it's possible.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gf100-fermi-egg-frying-gtx-480,news-33106.html

 

[SuperSix]

Intel prices are up due to a shortage of the CPUs. It has nothing to do with the flooding in Thailand - just a simple case of demand outstripping supply. If you think Intel is worried about Bulldozer, you are mistaken.

 

[bradley]

This thread is the very antithesis of IDC's hyper-constructive i7-2600k power-consumption thread. This thread already having more views/responses in a single day is a very telling sign for the state of this forum.

 

[Chiropteran]

When he gets it right the arguing will stop. His definition of hyperbole is woefully incomplete.

Not really.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole

Your definition doesn't fit, mine does.

This thread is the very antithesis of IDC's hyper-constructive i7-2600k power-consumption thread. This thread already having more views/responses in a single day is a very telling sign for the state of this forum.

Eh, not really telling. I found IDC's post and thread interesting enough, but without any knowledge on the subject or reason to debate I don't really have a strong urge to post. The state of a forum with hundreds of "cool post bro" replies after an interesting post is IMO worse than one with lively debate going on in a less interesting thread.

 

[IntelEnthusiast]

Guys, We have not had a rise on our prices on our end. So if a reseller has raised their prices it is their choice to do so. With the release of the Intel® Core™ i7-2700K I woudnt be shocked to see the price on the Intel Core i7-2600K start to drop. The Intel Core i5-2500K I dont see getting a price drop any time soon, it has just sold to well at it current price point.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team

 

[zsdersw]

Not really.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole

Your definition doesn't fit, mine does.

Wrong. In the examples they list ones similar to mine.

Things that cannot be quantified are hyperbolic when the connotation is an extreme of "a lot" or "a little".

"Sucks really bad" cannot be quantified.. and as such, is hyperbolic.

This line of conversation is done
-ViRGE

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Hm? Did I not say it was bad? I'm simply saying that, like Fermi (the former "let's fry an egg on this thing LOLLZZZZ" laughing stock that is now beast mode), you never know what a product refresh can do. I'm not holding my breath, but it's possible.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gf100-fermi-egg-frying-gtx-480,news-33106.html

The difference is that while Fermi initially had horrible performance/watt, it also had great performance. That can't be said of Bulldozer, as it's not even faster than a Core i5 overall. Furthermore, AMD said they'd improve performance coupled with efficiency by 10-15% each year. That alone should tell you everything: Bulldozer is fundamentally flawed and will never succeed in desktop workloads. Not with Ivy Bridge coming out next year and improving overall performance 10% and efficiency by more than 25%.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Guys, We have not had a rise on our prices on our end. So if a reseller has raised their prices it is their choice to do so. With the release of the Intel® Core™ i7-2700K I woudnt be shocked to see the price on the Intel Core i7-2600K start to drop. The Intel Core i5-2500K I dont see getting a price drop any time soon, it has just sold to well at it current price point.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team

Good to know. If history serves us right, spec bumps have sometimes lowered prices of the lower-end model by $10. Nothing more than that, but still something.

Congrats on the i5-2500K. Looks like you won't be needing to drop prices in any way until its Ivy Bridge replacement arrives.

 

[Axon]

The difference is that while Fermi initially had horrible performance/watt, it also had great performance. That can't be said of Bulldozer, as it's not even faster than a Core i5 overall.

No argument here, that is correct.

 

[grkM3]

I bought my 2600k the week they came out for 329.99 with free shipping at newegg and today its 314.99 shipped.

That site is showing some retailers in europe price gauging because of short supply and people now want the 2600k more than ever.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Did something trigger this? Possibly? Some recent event, perhaps?
Or do you believe Intel, or the retailers, just decided to raise prices without cause? Just for the fun of it?
Something must have happened.

Others have mentioned the Euro vs the Dollar, but didnt the Chinese impose a 30 day embargo on shipping rare earth elements used in chipmaking also?

Could this have make the market jumpy??

And like most other posters, I very much resent the implication that the press or forum participants are to blame for intel's price increases or for tarnishing Bulldozer's reputation.

If the forum posts have so much effect, why doesnt everybody think Bulldozer is great from all the AMD fan posts. I am a Minnesota Vikings fan, and they have won only one game all year. Is this the fault of the sports press for reporting their record, or of the fans for saying they are not good? No it is the fault of the players and coaches.

Bulldozer is not bad because of what people say about it, it is bad because in most applications it does not perform up to the previous generation AMD products much less Intels Sandy Bridge. Should people distort the facts by reporting only the few areas in which Bulldozer is competitive and ignoring its weaknesses?? I dont think so.

 

[Keysplayr]

Should people distort the facts by reporting only the few areas in which Bulldozer is competitive and ignoring its weaknesses?? I dont think so.

Absolutely not. But believe it or not, this is what they would have you do if they could.