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Such as? Surfing he Web? Open up Task Manager and looking at the 16 "Cores"? What Consumer apps beside Games is the 9900K trading blows with 3900X?
Sorry, gotta disagree with you on that one. Even with the bad boost behavior of current UEFI revisions on a lot of boards right now, the 3900x is solidly beating the 9900k in everything but 1080p gaming. 1440p and up it's a wash. In applications, 3900x is ahead. You've got to look for specific niches (such as what Intel is obviously doing) to make the 9900k out to be a better applications processor. I think @UsandThem laid it out pretty well, but there are other reviewers who are basically saying the same thing. Unless you care about 1080p gaming, certain oddball games that just love Intel CPUs for whatever reason (Starcraft 2?), or um . . . maybe WebXPRT (but it seems like my 3900x is faster than the reviewed ones?) then the 9900k makes no sense.
Where did I say the 3900X trade blows with the 9900K in gaming? The 9900K wins ~90% of the time in the reviews I've looked at. And as above, the 9900K is as fast as the 3900X in the apps the "vast majority of people" (not just techies) are using, such as Word, Powerpoint, Excel, browsers, and some light image editing, VMWare, and a sprinkle of encryption and compression/decompression.Nope. Using your own words - the 3900X trades blows with the 9900K in gaming, and is clearly faster in mainline consumer tests as well as productivity apps.
The 9900K is a very nice chip, but the use case where it is superior to the 3900X is very small.
"for the vast majority of people"
The Vast majority of the people don't have the Cash to purchase a 9900K, for the tasks you just posted an i5 with OC is all they needI said "for the vast majority of people" carefully, because most people are using their computer for browsing the web, checking email, running Office, perhaps VPN into work, gaming. I hate to agree with Intel, but most people aren't rendering, doing software/game development, running physics simulations, or these days, even MP3 encoding.
What is the % of people gaming at 1080? People using 9900K and 3900X with Mid-High end GPUs?If you're competitive, at minimum, you run at 1080p and turn your detail down as much as possible to maximize frame rates..
This just shows, Intel knows Ryzen 3xxx are quite good. Nice seeing some competition again.
Heck, a 3400G is more than what most people need. But if they want the absolute fastest (but absolute worst performance for dollar) for browsing, Office, and gaming, the 9900K is (probably, barely) the chip.The Vast majority of the people don't have the Cash to purchase a 9900K, for the tasks you just posted an i5 with OC is all they need
So Intel is targeting people with more money than sense?Heck, a 3400G is more than what most people need. But if they want the absolute fastest (but absolute worst performance for dollar) for browsing, Office, and gaming, the 9900K is (probably, barely) the chip.
I can see my post went completely over your head.Where did I say the 3900X trade blows with the 9900K in gaming? The 9900K wins ~90% of the time in the reviews I've looked at. And as above, the 9900K is as fast as the 3900X in the apps the "vast majority of people" (not just techies) are using, such as Word, Powerpoint, Excel, browsers, and some light image editing, VMWare, and a sprinkle of encryption and compression/decompression.
Heck, a 3400G is more than what most people need. But if they want the absolute fastest (but absolute worst performance for dollar) for browsing, Office, and gaming, the 9900K is (probably, barely) the chip.
Whose quote is that? It wasn't in the video.
I said "for the vast majority of people" carefully, because most people are using their computer for browsing the web, checking email, running Office, perhaps VPN into work, gaming. I hate to agree with Intel, but most people aren't rendering, doing software/game development, running physics simulations, or these days, even MP3 encoding. I'm not being scientific at all about this, but when you pare it down to the basic stuff that the "vast majority" of people are using their computers for, that list looks more like... browser, Office, and games, with some Photoshop, OCR, VMWare, Java tossed in for some people. I also appreciate that people still use compression/decompression and encryption, but not on a daily/weekly basis for most; I'll include it anyway.
For Octane, 9900K wins in most reviews, for Kraken 3900X wins most reviews. Speedometer seems split. For most reviews, 9900K wins WebXPRT, though some have the 3900X ahead (like you, DrMrLordX). For compress/decompress with 7zip 3900X wins, for WinRAR it seems 9900K wins. Veracrypt AES 9900K wins, Twofish the 3900X wins. In Office, 9900K wins in Word and Powerpoint, 3900X wins in Excel. Photoshop and Gimp seem to favor the 9900K as well. VMWare seems to favor 9900K. And given the edge in gaming, removing price and platform from the equation, the 9900K is still the best CPU for what the vast majority of people do.
I just don't understand the points about "what consumer apps besides games is the 9900K trading blows with the 3900X?" (well, Office, image editing, web browsing, encryption, VMWare, and gaming) and "you've got to look for specific niches" (since when are Office, image editing, web browsing, encryption, VMWare, and gaming niche markets?). Perhaps I'm missing something?
You'd be surprised at how large that market really is. Afterall, some folk are prepared to spend a grand on a smartphone that is barely a minor iteration of last year's version (which they also bought).So Intel is targeting people with more money than sense?
https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2263?vs=2519
I cant figured out how its possible 9900K wins in most reviews in Octane, Kraken, Speedometer, WebXPRT, 7zip, winrar, AES... when in AT benchs 3900X smokes 9900K in (majority) of them.
And I cant figured out how its possible image editing such as Photoshop seems to favot to 9900K, when here https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...adripper-2-Intel-9th-Gen-Intel-X-series-1529/ (the more complete Photoshop testing ever), even a 3600 wins 9900K.
The reality is that 3900X is the fastest desktop processor right now in the majority of tasks, and by a large margin in many of them.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/7https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2263?vs=2519
I cant figured out how its possible 9900K wins in most reviews in Octane, Kraken, Speedometer, WebXPRT, 7zip, winrar, AES... when in AT benchs 3900X smokes 9900K in (majority) of them.
9900X and 9900K are two different CPUs,the 9900k is at the same level as the 3900x and the 3800x and again this is with default setup,they make a big deal out of it at the beginning of the article that everything is as close to spec as possible.And I cant figured out how its possible image editing such as Photoshop seems to favot to 9900K, when here https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...adripper-2-Intel-9th-Gen-Intel-X-series-1529/ (the more complete Photoshop testing ever), even a 3600 wins 9900K.
I said "for the vast majority of people" carefully, because most people are using their computer for browsing the web, checking email, running Office, perhaps VPN into work, gaming.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/7
They (anand)messed something up.
The full review anad made completely backs up this intel presentation,the 9700k is on par with locked TDP and we all know that the 9900k can clock at least as high even with locked TDP if you spend the time to tweak it.
Depending on if they lock the 9900k to default TDP or have the TDP unlocked or even overclock the 9900k, the results will vary.
9900X and 9900K are two different CPUs,the 9900k is at the same level as the 3900x and the 3800x and again this is with default setup,they make a big deal out of it at the beginning of the article that everything is as close to spec as possible.
And if you look at the individual scores they posted you will understand what intel is saying here,depending on what your benchmark suit focuses on you can make either one win hands down,which is the whole point,you have to measure what you actually will use.