Not like AMD is gonna sneak out a killer overclocker over night, so why should they bother. They gave a 10-15% increase, some will like this. Some don't, just like some think AMD is a great CPU value for there needs.
You don't really need a 5930K. 5820K can run 16x/8x and 4x. 4x is more than sufficient for a PhysX card unless NV has some limitation that it requires 8x for PhysX? The price difference between 5930K and 5820K is huge. You could step-up to the Swiftech H240-X over the Noctua NH-D15 and still have $100 left over from not getting the 5930K.
In all honesty though, your GPU + monitor upgrades would net you far greater benefits/satisfaction than moving from your CPU platform to HW-E. Lots of great G-Sync monitor choices that are going to provide a big impact on your overall 2D/3D experience moving from a 27" Catleap.
Since productivity benchmarks like encoding/decoding/rendering/photo editing are giving the highest gains for Skylake over Haswell, it's only fair then if someone actually uses their computer for those tasks that we compare 5820K to the 6700K and not just 4770K/4790K to 6700K. In that scenario, i7 6700K @ 4.7Ghz gets destroyed by a 4.5Ghz i7 5820K.
Still from your benchs the i7 6700K gets killed in GTA V in gaming against a stock 3.0Ghz 5960X. Add Crysis 3, The Witcher 3, Ryse Son of Rome, 5820K OC > i7 6700K OC. Even DDR4-4000 won't save 6700K in gaming or productivity situations where 6-cores are beneficial.
If someone is spending $350 USD on a CPU + $150-200 on a motherboard, at that point, X99 is not a far stretch. Certainly once Broadwell-E launches or Skylake-E, if Intel maintains these prices, it's game over for the 6700K for enthusiasts. Even now I'd pick the 5820K over 6700K for keeping for 4-5 years.
No, it's just you omitting the MOST important facts such as 24/7 safe voltage operation max voltages and what type of cooling is actually required to get there. It certaintly isn't "little effort" as a $30 CM 212 Evo heatsink isn't going to get you there.
Keep in mind this is still on air but I was able to bump the 6700K up to 4.7 GHz without having to feed it any voltage
However, our experience so far suggests that 4.7GHz could be a reasonable target with minimal voltage increase.
21*C ambient is very low for many people and Noctua NH-D15 is a $90+ USD cooler. That means if someone's ambient temperatures are 24-28C, this 4.8Ghz would likely fail on 99% of CPU coolers in the world given that Noctua NH-D14 is easily in the top 3 of all air coolers.
Your comment that most reviewers are getting 4.7-4.8Ghz overclocks with "little effort" is highly misleading. Little effort is getting 4.4-4.5Ghz on i7-2600K on the stock $5 Intel heatsink, not requiring a $90-100 cooling solution to get there and still approach 90C!
Don't cherry-pick 640x480 / 720P gaming no one will do with a 2600K OC and a discrete GPU.
In real world gaming, i7 6700K OC vs. i7 2600K @ 4.5-4.8Ghz is not a good upgrade unless one already did the following:
1) Upgraded their monitor to 1440P/4K/144Hz/FreeSync/GSync;
2) Have at least 980 SLI/Fury CF
3) Have a 1TB SSD or a PCIe 3.0 x4 SSD
4) Upgraded their headphones/speakers
Skylake is the worst Tock in Intel's history since Conroe. Nehalem/Lynnfield gave about a 15-17.5% increase in IPC, Sandy another 15-16%, and Haswell another 16-17%.
Skylake is just 9% faster (Haswell - Broadwell: 3.3% & Broadwell to Skylake: 5.7% => 1.033x1.057 = 1.09)
25% faster than i7 2600K OC after 4 years + 8 months (2600K launched Jan 3, 2011) is pathetic, considering this 25% increase in IPC drops < 10% gaming.
Nope, it was on par with the GT-740, an $89 part that launched a year ago on a manufacturing process two generations behind Intel's.
Keep dreaming. And how much will that cost? 6700K already costs $350 without eDRAM and without Iris. Now add Iris + HBM. Who buys a $500 CPU to game on IGP?
Skylake is 10% faster per clock in CPU limited games. GPU-limited prescripted crap running DDR4-2133 doesn't count.
www.hardware.fr/articles/940-1/intel-core-i7-6700k-i5-6600k-z170-skylake-test.html
The only reason why I'm even contemplating this is because the X79 platform itself is just so old. Intel themselves don't even support it anymore with driver updates.
That was a big motivation for me to move to X99 from X79 as well.
I got nearly $450 for my 4930K that I paid $570 for, so it wasn't bad for a little over a year's worth of heavy-duty use.
Computers are also an important hobby to me so I don't feel bad upgrading for relatively frivolous reasons once a year.
Where did you sell yours? eBay, Craigslist or on a forum?
still wondering if I should get a 5820k+asus x97-a or a 6700k+asus hero or deluxe.
Both setup are in my budget and a need to buy within a week or 2.
I want to keep it for 4-5 year.
Main goal is gaming @ 144hz/fps in 1080 and eventually in 1440.
Any opinion between those 2 build?
my curent setup is i7 920/p6t se, I got about a dozen crash a day for a couple days, then it will work just fine for a week or 2, even without any oc. I'm getting tired of this shit and I just can't figure out what exactly is wrong with it, never the same bsod, sometime it will just freeze without crashing, and other time it will just crash without any bsod or freeze.
I've been looking on different board and site for a couple days and I just can't decide..
still wondering if I should get a 5820k+asus x97-a or a 6700k+asus hero or deluxe.
Both setup are in my budget and a need to buy within a week or 2.
I want to keep it for 4-5 year.
Main goal is gaming @ 144hz/fps in 1080 and eventually in 1440.
Any opinion between those 2 build?
my curent setup is i7 920/p6t se, I got about a dozen crash a day for a couple days, then it will work just fine for a week or 2, even without any oc. I'm getting tired of this shit and I just can't figure out what exactly is wrong with it, never the same bsod, sometime it will just freeze without crashing, and other time it will just crash without any bsod or freeze.
I've been looking on different board and site for a couple days and I just can't decide..
800x600? Budget gamers won't be using 20-year-old resolutions that are non-native for their LCDs.
Steam Hardware survey:
1280x1024
1366x768
1440x900
1680x1050
Those 4 are likely the most common budget gaming resolutions.
So with that information, let's look at real world gaming situations for Skylake IGP:
Intel should have at least gave people the GPU from Broadwell i7-5775C considering their raised the i7-6700K's price from $339 of 4790K and took out the CPU cooler.
BFG10K already mentioned this point but it flew over your head or you purposely keep ignoring it to defend the horrible graphics performance for desktop Skylake-K parts. Gamers continue to pay for the useless for gaming IGP in the i5-6600K/6700K. Most of us would much rather not have the IGP and rather pay $350 for:
1) Higher clocked i5/i7
2) 6-8 cores
I am truly astonished that you were able to sell your 4930K for 79% of what it cost you to buy.I got nearly $450 for my 4930K that I paid $570 for, so it wasn't bad for a little over a year's worth of heavy-duty use.
I am truly astonished that you were able to sell your 4930K for 79% of what it cost you to buy.
Lots of crazy people out there, I would have wanted a much lower price, but obviously with what you were able to sell it for, then upgrading is literally a no-brainer.
I still wouldn't do this myself though, simply because I wouldn't want the hassle of having to sort out all my software again so soon.
Sounds like it's time for an upgrade for sure.
If you plan to overclock, and plan to keep it for 4-5 years, I'll cast my vote for the 5820K. You get very good single-threaded performance and excellent multi-threaded performance, the latter of which will probably matter more in the last two of your 4-5 year range.
X99 platform is also solid.
you're pretty much where i am upgrade wise, i was deciding between the 5820 and the 6700k myself, in the end i would have gone for the 6700k because by the time the extra cores matter, it's time to build a new pc anyways
I do plan to overclock, specialy with the intel performance tuning protection plan. I got a nh-d14, I might replace the fan on them to get something more effective even if they are more noisy. And I would be happy if I could get it to 4-4.2 for a 24/7 use.
What is worrying me the most is the fact that I can't afford a better mobo if I get the 5820k.
I do plan to overclock, specialy with the intel performance tuning protection plan. I got a nh-d14, I might replace the fan on them to get something more effective even if they are more noisy. And I would be happy if I could get it to 4-4.2 for a 24/7 use.
What is worrying me the most is the fact that I can't afford a better mobo if I get the 5820k.
I had the same problem with my i7 920. Random BSODs and restarts. I've had it since 2008. Several months ago I finally got fed up with it, went to Microcenter, and got an AMD 8320E with mobo for $150. Also replaced the power supply just in case. It has been rock solid ever since.
Skylake looks so lackluster that I think I will just stay with AMD processor, it does everything I need lol. Software development, VMs, some gaming...works great
The extra cores already matter today in Crysis 3, Ryse Son of Rome, GTA V, The Witcher 3 if you have enough GPU firepower. If he wants to keep his rig for 4-5 years, there will be even more games that use extra cores with DX12.
Also, if the user ever intends to do things outside of gaming/multi-task, 6-8 cores will be faster than the mainstream i7.
If he isn't going to be overclocking, i7-6700K > 5820K.
When you say "better mobo" are you looking for specific features? I mean the Hero and Deluxe motherboards have a bunch of marketing features that cost massive premiums that unless you plan on using are just money wasted. You can get a very good Z170 board for much less.
What is baffling me is the fact that it is not consistent. How could it fail so badly for a couple day and work just fine right after it lol. The first time it happen, it took about 3 month before it start failling again, every time after the that it started to fail more and more frequently. I should test the v with a multimeter on my antec quatro 750 but I really doubt it the PSU.
I wonder when Intel will stop focusing so much on IPC and start looking at improving the DAMN clocks!
I'm very disappointed with the gains on Skylake coming from a non-OC'd Sandy Bridge user. I couldn't give a crap about increases on sythnetic benchmarks when next to no one uses these apps ...
It's pathetic how gaming performance is lower than Haswell or Broadwell. The only big upgrade here is the new TSX extension and it wouldn't even have that if Intel didn't mess up with Haswell ...
Overall just a sad effort on Intel's part. I won't say it's their bulldozer since it's not an actual regression but it's certainly lacklustre ...
And what happened to Intel's new iGPU H.265 HEVC support?
This is what intel said :
"Intel Core i7-6700K Processor Key Features
...
Intel Quick Sync Video Technology: Media processing for incredibly fast conversion of video files for portable media players or online sharing including support for HEVC (H.265) encode/decode to support Ultra HD 4K"
But it's actually slower than a 4790K in HEVC decode?
Incredibly fast is ~16fps?
I get like 110-150fps on 4k HEVC video using the HW decoder on my GPU.
Intel seems to be failing miserably at competing with themselves.