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jpiniero

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No, I am saying its you who cant read the slide. It specifc mention its based on the Entry cost segment. While core based Pentiums and Celerons are mainly sold in the Value segment.

It says at the bottom right of the chart "Entry is considered as Intel Celeron and Pentium brands". Either way, it'd be terribly misleading if what you are suggesting is true. Value is i3 I think.
 

ShintaiDK

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I have also included VMs in-house servers where you cant use could applications. For a typical desktop office you dont need Core i3/5, even if you run office locally on your desktop the latest ATOM/Kabini systems are more than enough for typical workloads.

Atom and Kabini isnt enough, its not even remotely close to being enough.
 

ShintaiDK

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It says at the bottom right of the chart "Entry is considered as Intel Celeron and Pentium brands". Either way, it'd be terribly misleading if what you are suggesting is true. Value is i3 I think.

Value isnt i3. Transactional is i3.
 

ehume

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What often slows EMR (electronic medical records) is slow network, since some EMR routes through the Internet for transitions. However, other EMR's require access through the local network. Finally, there are web apps that require javascipt. What might speed all of this up is an SSD.

For many uses, if the IT guys at corporate would experiment -- save money by buying an Atom with its limited (2GB) RAM and spend that money on an SSD -- they might find they improve productivity for many users without spending more. In fact, the machine might be cheaper, since it would need less cooling. But I never see anyone trying things out. All they do is buy what looks good.
 

Sweepr

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Atom and Kabini isnt enough, its not even remotely close to being enough.

I see Bay Trail-D and Braswell as niche desktops chips, they might suffice for light office work at very low-power and fanless operation but that's it. As you and others said, a cheap Skylake Celeron/Pentium would be way more responsive most of the time. There's also the future proofness factor, companies usually don't replace desktops every year. Skylake Celeron/Pentium should provide some great bang for the buck for the new low-cost Windows 10 builds (especially if they pack GT2 iGPUs).
 
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Sweepr

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So far the early SKUs leak was spot on. I think it's relevant to this thread:





Estimated DDR4 price reduction over time:


Almost forgot about this roadmap from EW2015.



More evidence about the SKUs and their TDPs.

Edit: It also points out that Xeon E3 v5 will be out by Q1-2016.

From CPU-World:

Xeon E5-1200 v5 series will be released in the second half of 2015. The Xeons will be a part of new Greenlow platform, that will utilize C230 series chipsets. The first to launch will be mainstream E3-1200 v5 SKUs in LGA package, compatible with socket 1151. They will come with up to 4 CPU cores, Hyper-threading technology, and up to GT2 graphics. Furthermore, they are going to work with DDR3L and DDR4 memory, and have the maximum amount of supported RAM increased to 64 MB.

At the end of 2015 or at the beginning of 2016, Intel will introduce BGA versions of Xeon E3-1200 v5 chips with Premium graphics, featuring GT4 GPU and 128 MB eDRAM. The processors will have 4 CPU cores, and support only DDR4 memory.

Skylake 4C+GT4e could be available in early 2016.
 
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Sweepr

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35-95W Core i5/i7 quad-cores @ August. 35-65W Core i3, Pentium & Celeron probably a quater later. Skylake-Y/Skylake-U by Q4.
LGA Xeon E3 v5 sometime in H2. BGA Xeon E3 v5 GT4e by early 2016.
 
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Justinbaileyman

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So is there going to be any thing more then just 4c/8t on this socket? Will there be an upgrade path on this socket by next year for maybe 6c/12t or 8c/16t? I dont want to buy into another dead end socket but I need a upgrade badly. Going from a AMD X4 760K@5.GHz to hopefully a Intel i7 6700k and would like to overclock it to 4.5Ghz.
I really dont care about playing games on the PC all that much and need the raw processing power to encode/convert audio and video for the home media server.
So would this be a viable option or would I be wasting my time and money?
 
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So is there going to be any thing more then just 4c/8t on this socket? Will there be an upgrade path on this socket by next year for maybe 6c/12t or 8c/16t? I dont want to buy into another dead end socket but I need a upgrade badly. Going from a AMD X4 760K@5.GHz to hopefully a Intel i7 6700k and would like to overclock it to 4.5Ghz.
I really dont care about playing games on the PC all that much and need the raw processing power to encode/convert audio and video for the home media server.
So would this be a viable option or would I be wasting my time and money?

Why not just buy a 5820K if 6C/12T or more is what you're looking for?
 
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Because 5820K is not Skylake ??

6C/12T Skylake is a long, long way away and I get the impression that the poster needs an upgrade "badly."

If his workloads scale well with more cores, I'd say a 5820K is the way to go -- forget the 6700K.
 

cytg111

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6C/12T Skylake is a long, long way away and I get the impression that the poster needs an upgrade "badly."

If his workloads scale well with more cores, I'd say a 5820K is the way to go -- forget the 6700K.

From the IPC increase alone you are looking at almost a fifth haswell-core worth of throughput, to that add diminishing returns on core scaling for MT workloads (where tsx could have been a helper).. Nope, unless it is the rest of the platform that floats your boat I dont see a whole lot appeal in a hex core haswell.
 

Sweepr

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Does anyone know if Xeon E3 v5 will support AVX-512? Too much contradicting info.
 
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Justinbaileyman

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Why not go 5820K??Not that I woulnt love to, but because I am not a rich guy.
$400.00 for just the cpu and another $300.00 for a mobo and $250-$500 for DDR4. Damn it thats just to much money these days. I could maybe do Skylake-K if the cpu is $250-$300,mobo $100-$200 and the cheapest DDR4 at that time. Hoping they drop the Price on DDR4 dramatically.
 
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Why not go 5820K??Not that I woulnt love to, but because I am not a rich guy.
$400.00 for just the cpu and another $300.00 for a mobo and $250-$500 for DDR4. Damn it thats just to much money these days. I could maybe do Skylake-K if the cpu is $250-$300,mobo $100-$200 and the cheapest DDR4 at that time. Hoping they drop the Price on DDR4 dramatically.

You can basically do what you want with Skylake with 5820K today



Oh, and I guess you need a cooler too; adds another $35.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...&qid=1429990212&sr=1-1&keywords=hyper+212+evo

It's a myth that the -E platform is that much pricier than the highest end "K" SKUs.
 

Insert_Nickname

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Does anyone know if Xeon E3 v5 will support AVX-512? Too much contradicting info.

Unlikely, since the E3's use the same physical chip as the desktop i5/i7's. Most likely it'll be limited to the E5's and perhaps the HEDT derivatives.
 

AtenRa

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Going from an Athlon 750K @ 5GHz to Core i7 4c/8t Skylake @ 4GHz will be massive increase of performance for your workload.

Edit: Power consumption vs the 5820K with 4x4 dimms will also be massive
 
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