Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

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Tovarisc

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Did some OC testing on i5 6600K and used Intel Extreme Tuning Utility to adjust values. Ran IntelBurnTest as initial stability test. Cooling solution is Fractal Design Kelvin S24.

I'm far from experienced overclocker so setting may and do have room for improvement, don't burn me on stake please :/ Further tips and such are welcome!

In picture below you can see maximum core voltage during IntelBurnTest run, package temperature peaked at 70C. Only adjusted values are core voltage and multipliers.

 

Dave2150

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Any reasonable guestimate as to when the 6700k will be available?

They were available on August 5th in the UK, and they are still in stock today.

Had my 6700k and z170 motherboard delivered on the 6th of August:


Settled on 4.7Ghz with cache at 4.4Ghz for my 24/7 overclock, at 1.29v. Runs very cool and quiet at this speed:



I can bench at 5Ghz, though temperatures get too high for everyday use. I could delid it and run at this speed, though that's a step too far for my comfort zone
 

Absolute0

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Dave, awesome clocks! 4.7 Ghz 1.3v is above average, i think

what are the temps you are seeing? and what Vcore for 5 Ghz benching?
 

CakeMonster

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Which air coolers would you recommend for the 6700K? I want the least possible amount of noise and ease of installing.

I remember having a hard time getting some of them to fit before, ending up feeling loose to the touch either from gravity alone with the huge heatsink or from a bad fit because I apparently was too stupid to install it even though I've done this for almost 20 years.
 

Dave2150

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Dave, awesome clocks! 4.7 Ghz 1.3v is above average, i think

what are the temps you are seeing? and what Vcore for 5 Ghz benching?

At 4.7Ghz core, 4.4Ghz cache @ 1.29v, in a few hours game sessions the cores will hit 75dc maximum. During Asus realbench stress testing, 80dc max.

This is with a Noctua NH U12S - I orginally had the H110I GT in as in the picture above, but I quickly returned that to Amazon, as the pump was incredibly annoying, producing a high pitched chirping noise even on "quiet" mode.

To run 5Ghz for benchmarks, I needed 1.42v. Short benchmarks were completely stable, though it started to thermally throttle if I ran Asus Realbench for more than a few minutes. This was on the H110I GT, I haven't tried it on my Noctua UH 12S, nor do I plan to
 

Dave2150

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Which air coolers would you recommend for the 6700K? I want the least possible amount of noise and ease of installing.

I remember having a hard time getting some of them to fit before, ending up feeling loose to the touch either from gravity alone with the huge heatsink or from a bad fit because I apparently was too stupid to install it even though I've done this for almost 20 years.

I'd highly recommend the NH-U12S. It's extremely quiet, very easy to install and is capable of a decent overclock. Also not too big, so no issues with compatibility with your case or RAM.
 
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If you look at 22->14, you see that it went down from 84W to 65W, while Broadwell has GT3e. Now Skylake adds some features to increase performance, so does TDP.

I don't understand why you make such a big deal about that tiny difference of 3W.

It is obvious from his post history isnt it?
 
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They were available on August 5th in the UK, and they are still in stock today.

Had my 6700k and z170 motherboard delivered on the 6th of August:


Settled on 4.7Ghz with cache at 4.4Ghz for my 24/7 overclock, at 1.29v. Runs very cool and quiet at this speed:



I can bench at 5Ghz, though temperatures get too high for everyday use. I could delid it and run at this speed, though that's a step too far for my comfort zone

Nice. Sounds like you got a pretty good chip.
 

phillyman36

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I'd highly recommend the NH-U12S. It's extremely quiet, very easy to install and is capable of a decent overclock. Also not too big, so no issues with compatibility with your case or RAM.

I brought the Noctua NH-U14S. Just don't have a cpu to install it yet
 

Fjodor2001

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If you look at 22->14, you see that it went down from 84W to 65W, while Broadwell has GT3e.

No, it went up from 84/88 W -> 91/95 W:

2600K: 95 W (32 nm)
3770K: 77 W (22 nm)
4770K: 84 W (22 nm)
4790K: 88 W (22 nm) Note: Just a refresh of 4770K, with somewhat higher frequency.
5775C: N/A since not a direct successor to the other SKUs. It is specialized on big iGPU and relatively low CPU frequency.
6700K: 91/95 W (14 nm)
Now Skylake adds some features to increase performance, so does TDP.

IB (3770K) added features and improved iGPU too, yet the TDP went down from 95-> 77 W.
 
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Sweepr

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myocardia

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More important yes, I wouldn't say much more important.
Well, that all depends on what you're comparing. If you're comparing two identical architectures, like DDR4 vs DDR4, or DDR3 vs DDR3, then it's no more important at all. A 100% increase in bandwidth gives you a 100 decrease in latency. A 50 increase in bandwidth gives you a 50% decrease in latency, etc.

He and I weren't comparing DDR4 vs DDR4, though. We were comparing DDR4 vs DDR3, and that's when latency starts to not count for much, compared to bandwidth. Let me illustrate for you. DDR4 2,133 cl 15= 14.064 ns of latency. DDR3 1,866 cl 9= 9.646 ns latency. According to the confused guy with whom I had been conversing, the 45.8% latency advantage that the DDR3 has over the DDR4 is a huge performance advantage!!!111oneoneone

So, would you like to guess much this 45.8% DDR3 latency advantage gains the 6700k? Zero percent (or extremely close to it), compared to the 2,133 DDR4:












As you can see, a +45.8% latency advantage is more or less identical to a 14.3% bandwidth advantage, when comparing DDR3 to DDR4.

DDR4-2133 CL15 isn't necessarily better than DDR3-1600 CL9.
Well, it is, but not nearly enough to quibble over. We were quibbling over him using the most outlandish benchmarks I've ever in my life seen, in an attempt to prove how superior the Skylake architecture happens to be. Did you not read the page or 2 before you posted?

Here's his first attempt: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-skylake-core-i5-6600k-review That's some shill using a 1.2 Ghz overclocked 6600k, along with a +25% overclocked memory controller, compared to a bone-stock i7-3770k and 4790k. The shill never even mentions what speed RAM he used with the IVB and HW, hence my "or even 1,333 Mhz DDR3" comment.

DDR3-3000 8GB= 320€+
WTH? That costs $190 here, no shipping charges, no taxes/VAT: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144756
 

Pandamonia

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these things are in stock nearly everywhere in Australia, yet in US you guys are complaining they're not available? Odd!

Only stock in UK with with price scalping idiots scan and OCuk. They seem to get the stuff first and rip people off for the pleasure.
 

myocardia

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The performance per clock Skylake provided in GTA V and Far Cry 4 was much more substantial than Haswell vs Sandy Bridge, arguibly some of the most CPU intensive games they tested. Pains me to see noobs looking at only 1 review (coff coff AnandTech) and concluding Skylake is worse or at best on par with Haswell to play games with a dGPU.
I hope you don't mean the 'noob' who just showed how little you know about the drivel you've been spewing, in post #3688 ^^^
 

Sweepr

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I hope you don't mean the 'noob' who just showed how little you know about the drivel you've been spewing, in post #3688 ^^^

I wasn't, but you didn't show anything. There's plenty of results attesting the benefits of faster memory with lower latency for Skylake and reviews using different memory configurations (even DDR4-2133 CL15) where Skylake compares more favourably to Haswell than AnandTech's tests.

May I also ask, since you trust AnandTech's results so much, if lower latency DDR3 basically matches faster DDR4 here then why reviews like PCLab's using DDR4-2666 CL16 for Skylake and DDR3-1866 CL9 for Haswell are (according to you) pro-Skylake? Oh oh, looks like you just shot yourself in the foot.

AnandTech said:
Normally in our DRAM reviews I refer to the performance index, which has a similar effect in gauging general performance:

DDR3-1600 C11: 1600/11 = 145.5
DDR4-2133 C15: 2133/15 = 142.2

As you have faster memory, you get a bigger number, and if you reduce the CL, we get a bigger number also. Thus for comparing memory kits, if the difference > 10, then the kit with the biggest performance index tends to win out, though for similar kits the one with the highest frequency is preferred.

AnandTech's method:
PCLab's review
DDR4-2666/16 = 166 (Skylake-S)
DDR3-1866/9 = 207 (Haswell)

PCLab's overall gaming performance chart - 14 games @ 1080p


But but but how is Skylake beating Haswell by ~13% if, according to AnandTech's methodology (since you trust them with their tests) and Crucial's real latency calculation they are still benefiting Haswell with the memory choice and you just posted tests above where lower latency DDR3 can keep up with faster DDR4?

I won't waste my time arguing with a butthurt Haswell user pissed off because its toy is now outdated, especially one that labels all tests that don't fit his agenda as 'payed by Intel'.
 
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mikk

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He and I weren't comparing DDR4 vs DDR4, though. We were comparing DDR4 vs DDR3, and that's when latency starts to not count for much, compared to bandwidth. Let me illustrate for you. DDR4 2,133 cl 15= 14.064 ns of latency. DDR3 1,866 cl 9= 9.646 ns latency. According to the confused guy with whom I had been conversing, the 45.8% latency advantage that the DDR3 has over the DDR4 is a huge performance advantage!!!111oneoneone

So, would you like to guess much this 45.8% DDR3 latency advantage gains the 6700k? Zero percent (or extremely close to it), compared to the 2,133 DDR4:













What does it say? Claiming there is zero difference is false. Not all applications are latency insensitive.

WTH? That costs $190 here, no shipping charges, no taxes/VAT: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144756


330€ in Germany. 2x8GB is even more tricky.


http://geizhals.de/geil-evo-potenza-frost-white-dimm-kit-8gb-gpw38gb3000c13dc-a1052327.html

Compared to this:

http://geizhals.de/?cat=ramddr3&xf=254_3000~5830_UDIMM1~1454_4096~5828_DDR4~5831_DIMM~256_2x&sort=p
 

cmdrdredd

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They were available on August 5th in the UK, and they are still in stock today.

Had my 6700k and z170 motherboard delivered on the 6th of August:


Settled on 4.7Ghz with cache at 4.4Ghz for my 24/7 overclock, at 1.29v. Runs very cool and quiet at this speed:


I can bench at 5Ghz, though temperatures get too high for everyday use. I could delid it and run at this speed, though that's a step too far for my comfort zone

Nice, but I thought this article would be good info for you. Legit Reviews used 3600Mhz Memory and tried overclocking the cache from 4.1Ghz to 4.6Ghz with a 4.6Ghz core clock speed and the difference in performance was extremely small.
http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-6700k-cache-overclocking-with-ddr4-3600-mhz-memory_170577




 

phillyman36

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They were available on August 5th in the UK, and they are still in stock today.

Had my 6700k and z170 motherboard delivered on the 6th of August:


Settled on 4.7Ghz with cache at 4.4Ghz for my 24/7 overclock, at 1.29v. Runs very cool and quiet at this speed:



I can bench at 5Ghz, though temperatures get too high for everyday use. I could delid it and run at this speed, though that's a step too far for my comfort zone

Did you have any issues when setting everything up?(Drivers,OS etc etc)
I saw that mobo in person at Microcenter. Looks nice. If my case was all black I would have gotten that one instead of the Z170 Deluxe.
 

Sweepr

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What does it say? Claiming there is zero difference is false. Not all applications are latency insensitive.

Thanks for posting mikk. That's the reason why AnandTech equalizes clocks/CL latency for an approximate comparison.
I think no one is arguing clocks are not an important (probably the most) part of the equation, but you can't forget about latency. Like it or not, for an architecture comparison some websites did favour Haswell with the memory selection, but Skylake still came out on top.

330€ in Germany. 2x8GB is even more tricky.


http://geizhals.de/geil-evo-potenza-...-a1052327.html

Ouch. Much cheaper DDR4 at those speeds.
 

Dave2150

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Did you have any issues when setting everything up?(Drivers,OS etc etc)
I saw that mobo in person at Microcenter. Looks nice. If my case was all black I would have gotten that one instead of the Z170 Deluxe.

Zero issues at all, was all plain sailing. Posted first boot, updated bios via UEFI immediately (new BIOS update available on day one), set xmp for my corsair 3000mhz c15 modules, and installed windows 10 straight onto my SSD.

No crashes so far, rock solid

Loved the mobo's aesthetic also, here's a pic of my setup (before I swapped the noisy h110i gt for a Noctua NH U12S):

Nice, but I thought this article would be good info for you. Legit Reviews used 3600Mhz Memory and tried overclocking the cache from 4.1Ghz to 4.6Ghz with a 4.6Ghz core clock speed and the difference in performance was extremely small.

Overclocking the cache to 4.4Ghz didn't require any extra volts, temperatures also apppear to be unaffected, so might as well get the small boost.
 
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cmdrdredd

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Which air coolers would you recommend for the 6700K? I want the least possible amount of noise and ease of installing.

I remember having a hard time getting some of them to fit before, ending up feeling loose to the touch either from gravity alone with the huge heatsink or from a bad fit because I apparently was too stupid to install it even though I've done this for almost 20 years.


I think the Noctua mounting bracket is the most solid and the nh-d15 is also one of the best performing. It is very large though so you have to be careful of memory clearance etc. any reason you are ruling out an AIO water kit like Corsair H110?
 
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dark zero

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So in resume, Skylake is FAR better than SB in terms to getting up to 4.7-4.8 Ghz without adding voltage, but going further gets quickly worse?

Also.. someone did put the chip up to 5.2 Ghz STABLE? I remember that SB is capable to do that (with water cooling)
 

ksheets

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Wow, I just did something I haven't done in a while...buy a CPU/MB combo from somewhere OTHER than Microcenter.

$566 shipped for the 6600k , GA-Z170X, and 16GB G.skill memory, not really anymore than it would have cost from MC and I don;t have to drive an hour+ to get it.

Looks like it's time to move the venerable 2500k to the htpc
 
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