myocardia said:
Here's his first attempt:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...
5-6600k-review That's some shill using a 1.2 Ghz overclocked 6600k, along with a +25% overclocked memory controller, compared to a bone-stock i7-3770k and 4790k. The shill never even mentions what speed RAM he used with the IVB and HW, hence my "or even 1,333 Mhz DDR3" comment.
Another one of your lies. There's both stock and overclocked results for Core i5 6600K. On top of that, there's a clock per clock comparison at their Core i7 6700K review.
Eurogamer reviewed Devil's Canyon with a Corsair 1866/C9 kit and they most likely used the same kit here, another myth busted unless you have evidence to prove otherwise (which you don't, that's why you are attacking them by calling them 'shills' and 'payed by Intel').
Really? You mean that two different reviews, performed by different people, using different hardware, at difference times, could have a few percentage points of performance difference? Imagine that!
So now you admit there could be different results? What a surprise, you just called reviewers who dedicate hours to provide us the best data possible 'shills and payed by Intel' in the last pages (because they obtained better results from Skylake).
Here are the calculations I used from the above paragraph:
DDDR3 1,866 CL9= 9.64ns of latency
DDR4 2,133 CL 15= 14.06 ns of latency
DDR4 2,666 CL 15= 11.25 ns of latency
DDR4 2,666 CL 16= 12.00 ns of latency
No, you keep repeating this crap pretending it changes the facts.
DDR3-1600 CL8/CL9 DDR3 (used in most Haswell tests) is superior to DDR4-2133 CL15 DDR4 in true latency (used in AnandTech's Skylake review).
Haswell DDR3 1600 CL9 = 1.25 ns x 9 CL = 11.25 ns true latency
Skylake
DDR4 2133 CL15 = 0.94 ns x 15 CL = 14.06 ns true latency
DDR4-2400 CL15 = 12.5 ns latency
DDR4-2800 CL15 = 10.7 ns latency
DDR4-3000 CL15 = 10 ns latency
mikk just made you look like a fool above, proving latency matters too. If any of your desillusions were real Crucial wouldn't make a big deal about real latency calculation neither AnandTech would normalize clocks/CL latency in their methodology.
Are you questioning AnandTech's methods now? Funny cause you just posted benchmarks from their Skylake review to try to convince us latency wouldn't influentiate results (which you failed).
Even the most pedantic person I've ever met would conclude that a maximum of 3.1% difference, when comparing like speeds of RAM from different architectures (2,133 DDR4 vs 1,866 DDR3, 2,800 DDR4 vs 2,133 DDR3, DD4 3,600 vs DDR3 2,666, et al) and a minimum of .3% difference, are in fact in the zero percent to extremely close to zero percent range.
LOL, is this coming from the same person trying hard to convince us that reviews with minor RAM differences (when you normalize clocks/latency) are invalid and made by shills just because Skylake did pretty well in some of them? Double standards and goalpost moving at its best.
AnandTech said:
Normally in our DRAM reviews I refer to the performance index, which has a similar effect in gauging general performance:
DDR3-1600 C11: 1600/11 = 145.5
DDR4-2133 C15: 2133/15 = 142.2
As you have faster memory, you get a bigger number, and if you reduce the CL, we get a bigger number also. Thus for comparing memory kits, if the difference > 10, then the kit with the biggest performance index tends to win out, though for similar kits the one with the highest frequency is preferred.
PCLab's review
DDR4-2666/16 = 166 (Skylake-S)
DDR3-1866/9 = 207 (Haswell)
According to them, PCLab still favours Haswell.
Some Haswell tests:
DDR3-1866 CL8 beating DDR3-3000 CL12
DDR3-1866 CL8 beating DDR3-2933 CL12
DDR3-1600 CL8 beating DDR3-3000 CL12
...But but but you said 25% higher bandwidth would make a huge difference and latency doesn't matter.
Note how close DDR3-1866 CL9 and DDR3-2666 CL12 are.
Difference is, PCLab and Eurogamer used DDR4-2666 with much worse latency (CL16).
Claiming those kits favour Skylake in any
significant way is a joke at best (maybe the opposite is true).
Skylake is
17% faster than Haswell per clock @ GTA V and Far Cry 4, throw in any memory DDR3 kit you want, Haswell would still lose.
Stop thread crapping and get over it, Skylake is better than your Core i7 4790K.