Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[jpiniero]

I think it will be interesting whether they come out with Broadwell K, or just go straight to Skylake K.

There isn't going to be a Broadwell-K. Only Broadwell-C, the unlocked LGA with Iris Pro and the L4. Presumably there will be a Skylake-C later on, and then Skylake Refresh K and C parts sometime maybe at the end of 2016. After that who knows.

 

[Sweepr]

If leaked roadmaps are to be believed Intel called it Broadwell-K a few times.

 

[jpiniero]

My feeling is that they decided to rename what was Broadwell-K into Broadwell-C and continue to sell unlocked 4+2 processors. But since they never planned on doing a 4+2 LGA model on Broadwell there won't be one.

 

[frozentundra123456]

There isn't going to be a Broadwell-K. Only Broadwell-C, the unlocked LGA with Iris Pro and the L4. Presumably there will be a Skylake-C later on, and then Skylake Refresh K and C parts sometime maybe at the end of 2016. After that who knows.

Oops, brain fart. I meant Broadwell E and Skylake E.

 

[Sweepr]

Core i7 6700K vs Core i7 5820K should be fun to watch. From a cost perspective a LGA1151 motherboard + 2x DDR4 should still be cheaper than a LGA2011 motherboard + 4x DDR4 (quad-channel).
I'd choose the Core i7 5820K over a DC Core i7 4790K anyday but if Core i7 6700K improves performance by ~15% (reducing Core i7 5820K's MT advantage to single-digits) while retaining Haswell's OCing potential (or better) I would probably pick the quad with insanely fast cores.

Broadwell-E should be launched around the same time as Skylake, too bad it got delayed to 2016. N-1 for ''E'' parts is tolerable, 2 generations behind not so much.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Not sure why everyone is comparing it to the 4770K when it's the 4790K that's the premium i7 of the Haswell generation.

 

[frozentundra123456]

The leaked benchmarks *were* in comparison to 4790k. Almost 15% om 3d mark cpu and cinebench, but only 5% in pc mark 8

 

[Sweepr]

Also people who own a Core i7 4790K build have bought this chip in the past months, likely knew Skylake was coming and decided not to wait. Most of them have no interest in an upgrade this year, unlike Nehalem/SB/IB/non-DC Haswell owners.

 

[tenks]

Core i7 6700K vs Core i7 5820K should be fun to watch. From a cost perspective a LGA1151 motherboard + 2x DDR4 should still be cheaper than a LGA2011 motherboard + 4x DDR4 (quad-channel).
I'd choose the Core i7 5820K over a DC Core i7 4790K anyday but if Core i7 6700K improves performance by ~15% (reducing Core i7 5820K's MT advantage to single-digits) while retaining Haswell's OCing potential (or better) I would probably pick the quad with insanely fast cores.

Broadwell-E should be launched around the same time as Skylake, too bad it got delayed to 2016. N-1 for ''E'' parts is tolerable, 2 generations behind not so much.

This is exactly what I've been saying! Sheesh, finally someone understands me

If "mainstream" means "laptop", sure. If you are talking about desktop, no.

I love how people keep posting this. It doesn't matter! The mobile Broadwell chips that are out have the same core that will be in the desktop C skus, just at different bins. Broadwell is the newest Intel core out, and HEDT is not using it, therefore it's a generation behind. It's really simple.

 

[frozentundra123456]

This is exactly what I've been saying! Sheesh, finally someone understands me



I love how people keep posting this. It doesn't matter! The mobile Broadwell chips that are out have the same core that will be in the desktop C skus, just at different bins. Broadwell is the newest Intel core out, and HEDT is not using it, therefore it's a generation behind. It's really simple.

But in the end, does it really matter how many generations apart they are? The performance "is what it is" no matter what generation.

Personally, right now I would say they are on the same generation, 2011 will be one generation behind when Broadwell K(or C, whatever they call it) for desktop comes out, and they will be two generations behind when Skylake desktop comes out. Technically, I suppose you could say you are correct they are one generation behind now because of Broadwell mobile, but I would only consider desktop/higher TDP in the comparison.

 

[tenks]

But in the end, does it really matter how many generations apart they are? The performance "is what it is" no matter what generation.

Personally, right now I would say they are on the same generation, 2011 will be one generation behind when Broadwell K(or C, whatever they call it) for desktop comes out, and they will be two generations behind when Skylake desktop comes out. Technically, I suppose you could say you are correct they are one generation behind now because of Broadwell mobile, but I would only consider desktop/higher TDP in the comparison.

Again you're missing the point entirely, like everyone else. It's really, really simple.

The broadwell core uARCH is out and HEDT is NOT using it in its skus. It is using the haswell core uARCH, which means it's a generation behind. Thanks.

But I agree, it's all about performance, and Skylake looks to make things interesting with the 5820k.

 

[erunion]

If leaked roadmaps are to be believed Intel called it Broadwell-K a few times.

Haswell-K is not a term Intel used, nor are they using the term Skylake-K. Those terms are used informally on forums, but are not official code names. (The unlocked SKUs belong to HSW-S and SKL-S)

Intel created the term Broadwell-K for the Iris Pro Skus specifically because Broadwell did not following that typical pattern (there will be no BDW-S).

 

[frozentundra123456]

Again you're missing the point entirely, like everyone else. It's really, really simple.

The broadwell core uARCH is out and HEDT is NOT using it in its skus. It is using the haswell core uARCH, which means it's a generation behind. Thanks.

But I agree, it's all about performance, and Skylake looks to make things interesting with the 5820k.

No, I said exactly the same thing you are saying. But what does HEDT stand for--- desktop. That is why I am saying you could argue haswell E is only one generation behind, because desktop broad well is not out yet. In any case it will be academic soon, because when skylake desktop comes out I think everyone will agree haswell E is two generations behind.

 

[tamm]

 

[Idontcare]

No, I said exactly the same thing you are saying. But what does HEDT stand for--- desktop. That is why I am saying you could argue haswell E is only one generation behind, because desktop broad well is not out yet. In any case it will be academic soon, because when skylake desktop comes out I think everyone will agree haswell E is two generations behind.

What am I missing here? Right now the most advanced mainstream desktop SKUs are all Haswell-based, as are the HEDT SKUs. HEDT is not behind desktop at all.

It is an entirely other discussion to talk about whether both the mainstream desktop and HEDT are a generation behind the mobile platforms in regards to Broadwell. And yet a third conversation to discuss when, in some future date, the mainstream desktop architecture will once again have a gap between itself and the HEDT architecture.

But today, looking at the SKUs I can buy on Newegg, I don't see anything more advanced than Haswell-based SKUs for both mainstream desktop and HEDT.

Did I miss something?

 

[frozentundra123456]

What am I missing here? Right now the most advanced mainstream desktop SKUs are all Haswell-based, as are the HEDT SKUs. HEDT is not behind desktop at all.

It is an entirely other discussion to talk about whether both the mainstream desktop and HEDT are a generation behind the mobile platforms in regards to Broadwell. And yet a third conversation to discuss when, in some future date, the mainstream desktop architecture will once again have a gap between itself and the HEDT architecture.

But today, looking at the SKUs I can buy on Newegg, I don't see anything more advanced than Haswell-based SKUs for both mainstream desktop and HEDT.

Did I miss something?

Wow, I must be losing it, made 2 comments in this thread that I did not say what I meant to say.

Anyway, I meant to say what you are saying. Right now, they are on the same generation, comparing mainstream desktop vs HEDT. Briefly they will be one generation apart, if and when Broadwell K for desktop comes out, and then like I said correctly, ultimately will be 2 generations apart when SKL desktop comes out.

 

[escrow4]

But even apart it doesn't really matter. If you buy a 5820K right now and clock it up to 4.0Ghz say it will last for a few years without blinking in any title. Even if you run it at 3.6Ghz with MCE and elect to OC later on (if at all) it will still provide you with a more than viable gaming experience and support any single GPU you chuck at it.

Gaming aside I suppose the difference might be more noticeable, but until dozens of sites have tested and broken Skylake, speculation is just speculation.

 

[Nothingness]

* pointless *

 

[coercitiv]

Again you're missing the point entirely, like everyone else. It's really, really simple.

It's strange to see people compare current offering with future offering, and pretend they know how the price/performance ratios will look like after Skylake launch.

All it takes is a price or SKU change and all this discussion will be water under the bridge. It's really simple and very likely to happen.

PS: imagine an entire meeting room stuffed with Intel management who did not see this simple scenario coming to fruition. They must have been distracted by them Zen slides.

 

[Arachnotronic]

What am I missing here? Right now the most advanced mainstream desktop SKUs are all Haswell-based, as are the HEDT SKUs. HEDT is not behind desktop at all.

It is an entirely other discussion to talk about whether both the mainstream desktop and HEDT are a generation behind the mobile platforms in regards to Broadwell. And yet a third conversation to discuss when, in some future date, the mainstream desktop architecture will once again have a gap between itself and the HEDT architecture.

But today, looking at the SKUs I can buy on Newegg, I don't see anything more advanced than Haswell-based SKUs for both mainstream desktop and HEDT.

Did I miss something?

Not missing anything.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I know this is a CPU thread but I was wondering if we are going to start seeing the socket 1151 mobo's a couple months early like with the socket 1150 mobo's? Cause I remember socket 1150 mobo's being released almost 2 months before you could even buy a socket 1150 cpu.Just asking cause I am try to get my ducks in a row so I can do this upgrade.Starting this week already by grabbing me some DDR4 or a new Graphics card.

 

[B-Riz]

Well, X99 HEDT is just downgraded server stuff, so, when Skylake goes all in on server, and after the enterprise market demand is satisfied with it, they will push the X99 upgrade out.

That seems pretty logical.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Well, X99 HEDT is just downgraded server stuff, so, when Skylake goes all in on server, and after the enterprise market demand is satisfied with it, they will push the X99 upgrade out.

That seems pretty logical.

HEDT desktop comes at same time or before the server parts.

 

[B-Riz]

I feel like we are being enticed too much by uArch enhancements.

Nehalem was a let down, compared to how long Core 2 Quad (6MB and 12MB L2 models) was viable. (and to some extent still works hella good for everyday usage)

Sandy Bridge was just awesome for the price, no two ways about it.

I currently have 16GB of DDR3 RAM and that makes everything better (anecdotal anyway).

I would want 32GB of RAM for a true upgrade, and I don't see that getting sold for $100-$150.

So why spend again for something I already paid for?

I think the one after Skylake, after DDR4 has flooded the market, will be more worth the money.

 

[tential]

Decent upgrade from the 4770k but I'll still hold onto mine until 10nm.