Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[coercitiv]

Doesn't matter if HW Acceleration is enabled of disabled, or if running Chrome integrated and separately installed Adobe Flash.

OFC it doesn't matter since your HW acceleration is likely not working.

Are you on Win 10 by any chance?

 

[Fjodor2001]

Not really.

http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=3266584
Sweden 280SEK with 25% VAT.

http://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=3266584
Norway 278NOK with 25% VAT.

http://www.pricerunner.dk/cl/184/Co...;;&q=bxts15a&ref=redirect&search=bxts15a&sp=1
Denmark 269DKK with 25% VAT.

And price+listings will first settle around a month or so. And it can only go further down.

Only a single one is at 280 SEK (~€30). Most are at €40-50. I.e. just as I said.

You can always find special deals, but the average sales price seems to be around €30-50.

Just check this link that I also posted earlier and you can see for yourself:

http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=3266584

 

[Fjodor2001]

What is 280SEK in USD and then remove 25% VAT?

280*.8=224SEK without VAT.

224SEK=26.5USD.

Without VAT? Do you buy your CPUs without VAT too?

Of course you have to include VAT. That's included in the actual price you pay. That it varies per country is a different story. But to not pay any VAT at all is very unusual for a country. See the different VAT rates per country:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_tax#Tax_rates

Anyway, if you check the prices of different countries around the world (with varying VAT), you'll see that the price is close to $41.5 on average which has been mentioned before. As I mentioned in my earlier post.

 

[Tovarisc]

OFC it doesn't matter since your HW acceleration is likely not working.

Are you on Win 10 by any chance?

Yeah, W10 Pro 64-bit. Should I pretend to be surprised if you next tell me that Adobe Flash doesn't have W10 support/patch?

 

[coercitiv]

Yeah, W10 Pro 64-bit. Should I pretend to be surprised if you next tell me that Adobe Flash doesn't have W10 support/patch?

It's not the flash player, unfortunately I think it's driver related. Should get fixed in time.

I recently had to disable HW acceleration in Firefox on both my Haswell systems since after the W10 upgrade I began having these weird systems freezes while playing YouTube videos in the HTML5 player. Two systems exhibiting the same problem after software change kinda points towards the software as the culprit

PS: the irony is I never had this problem with the pre-RTM builds & drivers =))

 

[TeknoBug]

It's not the flash player, unfortunately I think it's driver related. Should get fixed in time.

I recently had to disable HW acceleration in Firefox on both my Haswell systems since after the W10 upgrade I began having these weird systems freezes while playing YouTube videos in the HTML5 player. Two systems exhibiting the same problem after software change kinda points towards the software as the culprit

Flash freezes Firefox on my i3 NUC as well, with updated Intel iGPU driver.

 

[MrTeal]

Flash freezes Firefox on my i3 NUC as well, with updated Intel iGPU driver.

I get regular slowdowns and crashes on both a Nehalem Xeon system and an i5-2500k system with flash on FF, but I always just chalk that up to flash being a buggy piece of crap that needs to die.

 

[Pandamonia]

Yeah, W10 Pro 64-bit. Should I pretend to be surprised if you next tell me that Adobe Flash doesn't have W10 support/patch?

why would you go win 10...

crazy people upgrade in the first 12 months

 

[SAAA]

www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Skylake-mit-inversem-Hyper-Threading-2779793.html?wt_mc=rss.ho.beitrag.rdf

Can anyone shed some light here?

A golem.de tester told this is Windows 10 exklusive. The question is how many applications are able to make use of this. Cinebench Singlecore for example isn't any faster.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skylake-intel-core-i7-6700k-core-i5-6600k,4252-5.html


In wonder if this is another example for the inverse HT. Because the difference to Windows 8.1 is massive.

There's a lot of fuss about this on the net right now, I really hope it is a thing and that by tomorrow we get to know more details.

It should also easily explain this possible difference in transistor count:

One Skylake core is 8.9mm squared. Haswell is 14.5: https://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6857.

Assuming a 2x or 2.2x higher density, that's a 23% or 35% higher transistor count, respectively.

What was Ashraf his prediction?

Edit: Compared to the theoretical 2.2x shrink from Haswell 177mm, the 122mm Skylake adds an appreciably amount of transistors.

20-30% more transistors for up to 150% increase in single threaded use isn't bad at all...

 

[Tovarisc]

why would you go win 10...

crazy people upgrade in the first 12 months

Because I'm crazy person and got free license from DreamSpark

 

[Spydermag68]

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[YBS1]

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[ShintaiDK]

Without VAT? Do you buy your CPUs without VAT too?

If you are a business or buy from abroad yes.

But thats not the point, you try to compare price+VAT to some MSRP price you still havent shown. A price without VAT is the only way you can compare globally. That is something everyone knows.

If you didnt try so hard to miscredit the company, you wouldnt make so many mistakes.

http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=1008748

So since an EVO 212 is not only more expensive. But also goes up to 679SEK. We can claim it sells for what, 50-60$?

Keep shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[Fjodor2001]

If you are a business or buy from abroad yes.

If you are a business yes, but most people on this forum are not. And if you import it from another country, you'll most commonly have to pay tax + VAT in your own country.

But thats not the point, you try to compare price+VAT to some MSRP price you still havent shown.

There is no MSRP from Intel so far. At least I've not been able to find any. So the best we can go by for now is what it's actually priced at in the stores where it's available.

A price without VAT is the only way you can compare globally. That is something everyone knows.

I get you're point, and the intention is good. However it depends on whether we're interested in what the consumer will pay in the end or not.

Also, even if you strip away VAT just for the sake of comparing, that will not achieve the goal of totally a comparable price anyway. Because companies often intentionally set a different price in different countries for the same product, depending e.g. on the competition in that country and market segment, and various other market aspects.

If you didnt try so hard to miscredit the company, you wouldnt make so many mistakes.

http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=1008748

So since an EVO 212 is not only more expensive. But also goes up to 679SEK. We can claim it sells for what, 50-60$?

Keep shooting yourself in the foot.

We're discussing what the consumers and members on this forum will have to pay for it, which includes VAT. And at least for now the price of the Intel Skylake CPU cooler is around $40 or €30-50, depending on country and store. Just like the article claimed, and just like I have provided multiple links and sources to as well.

Stop burying your head in the sand. I don't know why you are so afraid to affect this fact? Is it because you don't want to face the fact that Skylake effectively will be around $100 more expensive compared to the corresponding Haswell system (due to higher CPU price, DDR4, motherboard, and lack of CPU cooler)?

 

[cmdrdredd]

I see, thanks for that tidbit about the mounting bracket. It looks like the DH15 is what I need then if I want to use my cooler for a long time to come. And I will want to continue to use my cooler on Skylake-E.

Meh, I just need to see how long it'll take me to switch the cooler I'm being lazy lol. Still scared of just how large the DH15 is it feels weird hanging something so large on a mobo.

My d14 has been hanging off an mATX board for over 3 years now. No problem.

 

[Nothingness]

The fastest Skylake-Y Core M could very well score >3000/6000 ST/MT @ Geekbench 3 and this time there's no node advantage excuse. This will be an interesting match.

No node advantage? You mean TSMc and Samsung have caught up with Intel 14nm? You can do better

 

[tential]

Thanks I'm just going to bite the bullet I am ordering everything today with visa checkout coupon. Should make my rig a lot quieter than before haha.
The amount of pc gear I've bought over the last couple of months is getting worrisome lol

 

[Sweepr]

No node advantage? You mean TSMc and Samsung have caught up with Intel 14nm? You can do better

In mobile with 16nm FinFET they are closer than they have been in years. Fact is Apple has delivered incredible (almost 100%) performance increases over the past few years and 16nm FinFET looks like a substantial improvement (more than 20nm was), which is why 13-16% over last year's A8X is conservative and boring. We could call it disappointing, but A8X is still very fast so anything better is a bonus I guess.

 

[mikk]

Cool, where did you get it, cause I can't find the PDF in the IDF session overview.

From beyond3d, I forgot to post here. This isn't from IDF. You can find an overview here: https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-graphics-developers-guides

Beautiful, small and a lot more square than Haswell 4C+GT2 (177mm², below).
Aracnothronic was almost spot on with his prediction.
Any idea of Skylake core size yet?

6.9 mm² for 1 CPU core and ~42 mm² for GT2 Gen9. Asuming the whole die is 120 mm² big.

 

[Nothingness]

In mobile with 16nm FinFET they are closer than they have been in years.

Yes, but foundries have not caught up while at the same time ARM chips are still delivering more IPC increase than Intel (don't get me wrong, I think Intel will still rule for many years to come).

Fact is Apple has delivered incredible performance increases over the past few years and 16nm FinFET looks like a substantial improvement (more than 20nm was), which is why 13-16% are conservative and disappointing.

Unless I'm mistaken, you're comparing a tablet chip A8X againt a phone chip A9. A8 to A9 (provided leaks are true which I don't believe yet) is closer to 30%, a gain Intel can only dream of It remains to be seen if A9X will exist and how it will perform.

I'll stop being off topic and will just add I'm more impressed by what Intel delivered with Skylake than the rumored 30% of Apple, because Core has been with us for so long that still seeing improvements is a testament to how good Intel engineers are.

 

[myocardia]

So you are admiting you made a serious accusation, called Digital Foundry (Eurogamer) a bunch of shills payed by Intel without a single piece evidence about what kind of memory they used.

Are you seriously admitting that you don't have the slightest idea how someone could intentionally cheat, when comparing two overclockable CPUs to each other, besides RAM speed, to make the performance difference between the two CPUs be higher?

Just a few more samples where latency matters

So, you are admitting that your proof that PCLab favors Haswell is benchmarks of Haswell against Haswell. Gotcha. Just didn't want to misunderstand. When dealing with reasonings that no sane person would ever use, it's easy to misunderstand, I've noticed.

 

[Sweepr]

Yes, but foundries have not caught up while at the same time ARM chips are still delivering more IPC increase than Intel (don't get me wrong, I think Intel will still rule for many years to come).


Unless I'm mistaken, you're comparing a tablet chip A8X againt a phone chip A9. A8 to A9 (provided leaks are true which I don't believe yet) is closer to 30%, a gain Intel can only dream of It remains to be seen if A9X will exist and how it will perform.

I'll stop being off topic and will just add I'm more impressed by what Intel delivered with Skylake than the rumored 30% of Apple, because Core has been with us for so long that still seeing improvements is a testament to how good Intel engineers are.

I meant A8X vs A9X. A9 looks like another solid 25/50% CPU/GPU bump. Earlier rumours said no iPad Air 3 this year, maybe there will be a new version with the same design but a new SoC (like iPad 3/4). iPad Pro will almost certainly get a new SoC.

 

[Sweepr]

Are you seriously admitting that you don't have the slightest idea how someone could intentionally cheat, when comparing two overclockable CPUs to each other, besides RAM speed, to make the performance difference between the two CPUs be higher?

You made this absurd accusation so the burden of proof is on you. And you failed as always, providing rants instead of evidence.

So, you are admitting that your proof that PCLab favors Haswell is benchmarks of Haswell against Haswell. Gotcha. Just didn't want to misunderstand. When dealing with reasonings that no sane person would ever use, it's easy to misunderstand, I've noticed.

What my, mikk's and IntelUser2000's benchmarks prove is:
- You don't have a single clue about memory performance.
- Latency also matters and Haswell wouldn't perform significantly better using higher clocked memory with much worse latency, putting your lies of payed reviews to rest.
- AnandTech knows this and that's why they normalize clocks/latency, also explains why some websites favoured Haswell instead of Skylake with poor memory selection. Even then Skylake did pretty well (13% better per clock @ PCLab in games), leaving behind your precious Core i7 4790K especially when overclocked. Deal with it, it's getting boring.

 

[witeken]

Anyone going to IDF? Will we get to see a 10nm wafer with Cannonlake? :sneaky:

 

[iSkylaker]

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Some sellers really have no common sense, by the time it arrive even Microcenter would of have it available at a discounted price. No sane person would pay this much for it.