Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[Enigmoid]

A good igp can be used with DX12 to give your 980ti a nice little boost in framerate.

Don't knock it. The better igps are quite capable of taking on a nice chunk of the graphics workload.

There's a demo out there somewhere demonstrating how even an older intel igp gave a 4 fps boost to a high end card in multiadapter mode under a heavy workload.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/directx/arc...rmant-silicon-and-making-it-work-for-you.aspx

And nearly a whole frame of latency.

 

[cmdrdredd]

esports...lol

While I understand the popularity of certain games that don't need dGPU power, you forget one thing. The market share right now without any major changes in iGPU performance favors Intel anyway. Lots of people buy laptops with no dGPU and use that. Nothing would change if there was a better iGPU there. The people who play demanding games would still buy Nvidia and AMD cards, those who don't won't.

 

[VirtualLarry]

This site have a Celeron G3900, G3920 and G3900T listed on their CPU database for Skylake-S
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-Datenbank/?kernname=260925

First confirmation that Skylake Celeron is alive?

Now we can have discussions about whether the Core i3-6300, or the FX-6300, is better for gaming.

 

[Shivansps]

Now we can have discussions about whether the Core i3-6300, or the FX-6300, is better for gaming.

You are talking to someone that lives in a country where G1610 still sells, the 2650 is number 1 in sale by FAR, and we still sell mostly VGA 1366x768 monitors.... so its important to me what happens about these Celerons, dont understimate the number of people that want pcs just to play crappy games like lol, dota, wow, cs, etc.

Thats why Celeron and Pentium ARE important, as well as what happens with GT1 and GT1.5 in desktop.


EDIT: ahhh now i got it.

 

[IntelUser2000]

One Skylake core is 8.9mm squared. Haswell is 14.5: https://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6857.

Assuming a 2x or 2.2x higher density, that's a 23% or 35% higher transistor count, respectively.

Why skip Broadwell? Broadwell is at 6.9mm2 with barely anything changed. Density improvement is far less on Core uarch processors because they are performance focused.

From Broadwell that's a 19% increase in core size.

 

[Shivansps]

Why skip Broadwell? Broadwell is at 6.9mm2 with barely anything changed. Density improvement is far less on Core uarch processors because they are performance focused.

From Broadwell that's a 19% increase in core size.

Because they have Inverse HT... haha nah

 

[witeken]

WCCFTech detailing the Skylake Gen 9 graphics:

The FLOPS comparison is interesting. I estimate the die size of GT4 to be 140mm squared.

For comparison.

GM107 is 148mm2.
GT4e is at most 140mm2.

Number of FLOPS is approximately equal.

Power consumption. GM107 has TDP of 60W. We don't know about GT4, but Broadwell GT3 is 65W and has 4 CPU cores.

It should be noted, though, that the 60W includes the GDDR5 I suppose, and it is built on 28nm. So Intel's node advantage really helps here to compensate for the CPU optimized process. Although I guess GM107 would be half as big on 16nm.

 

[Sweepr]

This website tested Skylake in many games/applications using different DDR4 speeds.

Many applications barely benefit from faster memory while others show some impressive gains, but the biggest benefit was observed in games.

www.hwupgrade.it/articoli/memorie/4431/memorie-ddr4-e-cpu-intel-skylake-fino-a-3600-mhz_index.html

19-21% better performance @ Thief and Grid, 10% faster @ Metro. If you want get the best out of Skylake you want at DDR4-2666 or better memory to make up for poor DDR4 latency.

 

[CakeMonster]

What settings? I would like to see those at 1440p or 4K at least before I trust anything based on 1080p with no additional info.

 

[witeken]

Will there by any streams or webcasts or so?

Edit:

"All passes are sold out. We’ll be posting videos of the keynote, Mega Sessions, and tech session presentations shortly after IDF concludes so everyone can take advantage of great IDF content for free."

 

[sxr7171]

np

 

[phillyman36]

Will there by any streams or webcasts or so?

Edit:

"All passes are sold out. We’ll be posting videos of the keynote, Mega Sessions, and tech session presentations shortly after IDF concludes so everyone can take advantage of great IDF content for free."

What time do they start?

 

[phillyman36]

Has anyone been keeping up with Amazon i5 6600k? If I remember right they were not in stock yesterday and now they are in stock. Don't see any movement on the i7 6700k page.

 

[witeken]

What time do they start?

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/intel-developer-forum-idf/san-francisco/2015/idf-2015-san-francisco-agenda.html

 

[gothuevos]

Hoping they shed some light on 6700k availability in the US.

 

[mikk]

The FLOPS comparison is interesting. I estimate the die size of GT4 to be 140mm squared.

For comparison.

GM107 is 148mm2.
GT4e is at most 140mm2.

42 mm²*3 slices -2xUncore....115-120 mm² I would say.

 

[witeken]

42 mm²*3 slices -2xUncore....115-120 mm² I would say.

So not too bad. Haswell GT3 is about 166mm2 for 40 EUs (260-177 multiplied by two).

Skylake is 2 iterations further and has 80% more EUs with 25% less die area, which works out to 2.4x more flops per area - guess a bit too optimistic.

Solid improvement in 2 years, now the availability and cost have to improve, but sadly 14nm yields don't cooperate.

Edit: Wonder what Intel could do with a 550mm2 14nm 2nd Gen FinFET dGPU with GPU optimized design and process flavor. Or we can just go straight to speculating if Nvidia is interested in Intel's foundry services cause they're so unhappy with TSMC.

 

[witeken]

Anyone able to download the PDFs?

http://myeventagenda.com/sessions/0B9F4191-1C29-408A-8B61-65D7520025A8/7/5

Edit live blog: http://live.arstechnica.com/intel-developer-forum-2015-keynote/

 

[Edrick]

Looks like 11AM PST is when we find out about Skylake.

 

[gothuevos]

Looks like 11AM PST is when we find out about Skylake.

Hopefully some concrete dates.

 

[Pandamonia]

Not happy that ram never showed up. Can't even build without it

Some 3000mhz GSkill comes tomorrow instead.

 

[phillyman36]

Not happy that ram never showed up. Can't even build without it

Some 3000mhz GSkill comes tomorrow instead.

Nice I have the z170 deluxe as well. HSF Noctua NH-U14s. My Corsair 3200 ram should be here Thursday. Cpu will be here ??????????????????

When you do put it together let us know if you have any problems with the memory(XMP)

 

[witeken]

Ultrabooks with 3D XPoint. Sure no single person expected that! I think I was the only one suggesting Xpoint for consumers because of the gaming they mentioned. Maybe Kabylake will be interesting..

So presentation not a complete disappointment. First a wafer, now a demo. Thus isn't like the Samsung 10nm or IBM 7nm wafer.

 

[Dave2150]

Not happy that ram never showed up. Can't even build without it

Some 3000mhz GSkill comes tomorrow instead.

Nice setup, must be exciting to see it all there in the flesh, I bet you're memorized the motherboard manual by now

3000Mhz does indeed seem to be the sweet spot, in terms of price/performance. I'm very satisfied with my Corsair LPX 3000Mhz C15 kit, literally the first memory kit I've just enabled XMP for and forgotten about it.

 

[Yuriman]

Just thinking out loud, but I would consider ditching my i5 for an "unlocked" Skylake i3, even if it was just through bclock. The reduced heat and noise appeal to me. Any news on bclock overclocking?