Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[zir_blazer]

Did anyone noticed that even Pentiums (Except for the Pentium 4405Y) now got VT-d? Anyone is aware of what happened that Intel also including it even on Mobile Celerons for Broadwell? It used to be a premium (Core i5+) feature. No, I'm not complaining that VT-d is going to the masses, I'm surprised.
What is the must-have feature that makes use of VT-d that Intel decided to include it across nearly all lines and models? Windows 10 has Device Guard that needs a working IOMMU, but don't know anything else. Regardless, it sems to point out that VT-d will be universally supported and this generation of users will not have to deal with THIS.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Was there ever a HD520?

 

[Sweepr]

If you missed last page, Intel unveiled the full Skylake lineup including specifications:

Desktop - Skylake-S

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-conte...neration-Intel-Core™-Processor-SKU-Detail.png

http://newsroom.intel.com/community...eration-intel-core-intels-best-processor-ever

Surprise, Intel will integrate the GT2 iGPU in the Pentium lineup!
$75 buys you integrated graphics performance that will be close to Core i7 6700K. 24 EUs (Gen 9) vs 10 EUs (Gen 7.5) inside current Haswell-based Pentium.
Core i3 is 47W TDP, earlier rumours about 65W TDP were false.

Mobile - Skylake-Y

Mobile - Skylake-U

Four GT3e models at 15W TDP. All 28W TDP models will feature the GT3e iGPU. The next Macbook Air and Macbook Pro 13'' will feature Iris models with eDRAM.
Unlike desktops Skylake-U Pentium still packs a GT1 iGPU but now there's HT support (2C/4T just like Core i3).

Mobile - Skylake-H

Xeon E3-1500M v5
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-conte...ration-Intel-Core™-Processor-SKU-Detail-6.png

http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Screen-Shot-2015-09-01-at-5.14.38-PM.png

As expected 4C/4T Core i5 is now part of the mobile lineup. The lower price ($250) compared to 4C/8T Core i7s probably means cheaper workstation notebooks that perform better than previous dual-core offerings.
25W quad-cores and GT4e models are still missing from today's announcement, I guess we won't see them till early 2016. Edit: Iris Pro (GT4e) in 2016 according to this slide.

Core i7 6820K is an overclockable mobile chip.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...s-faster-core-m-and-ultrabook-gpus-with-edram
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...w-socketed-processors-from-core-i7-to-pentium

The Verge: Windows 10 and Skylake processors were ‘designed together,’ says Intel’s Kirk Skaugen
An interview with Intel's general manager on the future of connected computing

Kirk Skaugen, the general manager of Intel’s Client Computing Group and the person charged with expanding the company’s mobile business, will be presenting the news in a keynote address on Wednesday that will kick off a busy day of IFA 2015 press conferences. OEM partners like Acer, Asus, and Lenovo will then be following up with their announcements of new machines using the new processors, putting real hardware meat around the beating heart of Intel’s latest. Ahead of the show, Skaugen sat down for an interview with The Verge to discuss Intel’s strategy with its new family of chips and the close collaboration with Microsoft that leads him to believe that there’s never been a better time to buy a new PC.

“This is something that only happens once every decade or so,” opines Skaugen while describing the perfect synchronicity in the release of Windows 10 and the sixth-gen Core processors. It’s rare for a brand new operating system to coincide so neatly with a new CPU generation, and the shared hype is likely to drive positive sales for both Microsoft and Intel. But there’s more to this coincidence than mere serendipity. Skaugen says Intel has been working on the Skylake architecture for more than four years, and it’s collaborated with Microsoft on generating some synergies along the way.

The coolest new feature in Skylake, though, is a technology Intel calls Speed Shift. Before the sixth-gen Core CPUs, the operating system would be responsible for giving cues when more or less performance is needed and the processor would adjust its speed accordingly. That reaction would usually take 30ms, but now Intel has shifted the intelligence over to the processor and is allowing it to make the determination itself. The latency is reduced to just 1ms and the end result is a more responsive and power-efficient system: a win for Intel, Microsoft, and the end user. A Windows 10 update will enable this functionality in the “near term,” and it might be something we can expect on Mac computers as well, though Skaugen refuses to divulge specifics on Apple’s plans. He would only say that the “architectural benefits and things that are in Skylake, we would hope and expect Apple to make use of.”

The new Core M processor, part of Intel’s Y Series, will be much improved, and this time it will have enough performance flexibility to be segmented into three tiers: M3, M5, and M7. “With sixth-gen Core M,” promises Skaugen, “you’ll get about twice the performance of the best tablet out there today, whether it’s an iPad or a Galaxy tablet.”

Skylake-H notebooks from MSI already available in Asia:

MSI dresses up its gaming lineup with Skylake

With Intel's new Skylake processor inbound, it was only natural that gaming notebook manufacturers would jump on board to offer this latest boost to their machines. MSI is no exception, kitting out a few of their existing machines with the 6th-generation processor. If the promise of a CPU that can be overclocked 30 percent higher isn't enough to entice you, there are plenty of other new goodies packed into the lineup that might be worth the ding to your bank account.

MSI isn't divulging pricing just yet, but the machines are already available in Asia. Stateside, we'll see these new gussied-up models on September 27th.

www.engadget.com/2015/09/02/msi-skylake

Summing it up:
- Locked multiplier desktop Core i5 and Core i7 are available in Asia and Europe today. - Desktop Core i3 and Pentium will become available in late September (earlier this month in Asia).
- Desktop Celeron in Q4-2015.
- Mobile Skylake-H, Skylake-U and Skylake-Y including Core i3-6100H, i5-6300HQ, i7-6820HK, i7-6700HQ, Core i3-6100U, i5-6200U, i5-6300U, i7-6500U, i7-6600U, Core M 6Y30, 6Y54, 6Y57 and 6Y75 SKUs are available in Asia today, September 27th in other locations.
- BGA Iris GT3e parts in Q4-2015 or Q1-2016 according to AnandTech.
- BGA Iris Pro GT4e parts in 2016 (Q1 if we believe leaked Xeon E3-1500 v5 roadmaps).
- LGA Iris Pro GT4e likely lauching together with BGA Kabylake parts in H2-2016.

 

[Shivansps]

Was there ever a HD520?

Thats GT2, its used for some 15W U models.

The thing is, i cant be really sure if 4405U is GT1 or GT1.5, but considering 4405Y is "HD Graphics", its probably GT1.

Similar for G4500/T, it could be GT1.5 or GT2.

 

[yacoub]

Summing it up:
- Locked multiplier desktop Core i5 and Core i7 are available in Asia and Europe today. - Desktop Core i3 and Pentium will become available in late September (earlier this month in Asia).

What about north america? When do they get them?

 

[Fjodor2001]

We have Intel's word that it performs 40% better than the fastest Broadwell-Y in a 5-minute long benchmark. Oh, if you don't trust them, then the huge amount of Carrizo marketing slides and reference platform results don't count either I guess. Don't worry, I will be the first to post independent reviews from NBC and others.

Do we have Zen benchmarks? You seem convinced that it will smack any Intel quad-core and I don't see any of them.

Not sure if you are joking. Skylake is a released product, Zen will not be released until one year from now. Don't you think we should expect to have more solid data on Skylake?

There is no way it could score anywhere close to 40% better without higher sustained clocks.

So still no benchmarks, just marketing slides from Intel and speculation?

 

[ClockHound]

What about north america? When do they get them?

Well...if you have to ask...

Expect we'll have full supply of Skylake just as soon as the rest of the world moves onto KabyLake. 2016 is going to be so awesome. Thanks, Intel!

 

[iSkylaker]

What about north america? When do they get them?

Based on my hunting for the chip, expect them mid-Sept to end-September to early October. Most NA e-retailers have those ETA. I already gave up looking at each of those everyday to see if they are available, I'm not overpaying for them either.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Thats GT2, its used for some 15W U models.

The thing is, i cant be really sure if 4405U is GT1 or GT1.5, but considering 4405Y is "HD Graphics", its probably GT1.

Similar for G4500/T, it could be GT1.5 or GT2.

Thanks.

Dunno how accurate the below is(I thought GT1.5 was 18 EU's), but I just got it from Wikipedia:

Seems odd that both HD520 & HD530 have 25 EU's.

The following models of integrated GPU are available or announced for the Skylake processors:

HD Graphics 510, GT1 – 12 execution units
HD Graphics 515, GT1.5 – 24 execution units
HD Graphics 520, GT2 – 24 execution units
HD Graphics 530, GT2 – 24 execution units, up to 441.6 GFLOPS at 1150 MHz[16]
HD Graphics 535, GT3 – 48 execution units
Iris Graphics 540, GT3e – 48 execution units with 64 MB of eDRAM
Iris Graphics 550, GT3e – 48 execution units with 64 MB of eDRAM
Iris Pro Graphics 580, GT4e – 72 execution units with 64 or 128 MB of eDRAM, 1152 GFLOPS at 1 GHz​

 

[NTMBK]

Seems odd that both HD520 & HD530 have 25 EU's.

Clock speeds?

 

[ShintaiDK]

How soon will the desktop 65w parts be available to buy online?

Was online to buy yesterday.
http://geizhals.eu/?cat=cpu1151

 

[ShintaiDK]

Did anyone noticed that even Pentiums (Except for the Pentium 4405Y) now got VT-d? Anyone is aware of what happened that Intel also including it even on Mobile Celerons for Broadwell? It used to be a premium (Core i5+) feature. No, I'm not complaining that VT-d is going to the masses, I'm surprised.
What is the must-have feature that makes use of VT-d that Intel decided to include it across nearly all lines and models? Windows 10 has Device Guard that needs a working IOMMU, but don't know anything else. Regardless, it sems to point out that VT-d will be universally supported and this generation of users will not have to deal with THIS.

They still have to deal with BIOS issues.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So we also got it settled that i3 etc is 47W and not 65W.

 

[boondocks]

Based on my hunting for the chip, expect them mid-Sept to end-September to early October. Most NA e-retailers have those ETA. I already gave up looking at each of those everyday to see if they are available, I'm not overpaying for them either.

I've had a preorder in with Amazon for a while now for a 6700K. When I asked recently for a shipping update I instead got the usual company line, but was given updated shipping.
Then strangely enough I was later contacted by yet another Amazon employee telling me that I could cancel and buy from one of their other sellers. I responded that no way I was paying >$500 from a price gouger for a cpu.
At this point I'm not happy with the Skylake release in the US, considering Aus & Eu countries have had them for a while now.

 

[Sweepr]

Many Skylake designs being announced/launched at IFA, here's some:

Core i3 6300 Geekbench Results

Core i3 6300
32-bit Windows
ST: 3965
MT: 8407

Current Core i3 4350's (same price) best score is:
32-bit Windows
ST: 3440
MT: 7320

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3342928


Lenovo announces MIIX 700 tablet

At IFA 2015 in Berlin, Lenovo announced a wide range of new laptops and tablets today. Among them is the 12-inch MIIX 700 tablet. The most noticeable feature of the device is a rather big similarity of its design to Microsoft’s Surface Pro tablets. Lenovo MIIX 700 features a 12-inch display with quite generous, 2160 x 1440 resolution (3:2 screen ratio). It comes with the newly announced Intel Skylake processors, up to Core m7. It will also have up to 8 GB of RAM and up to 256 GB of SSD storage.

Just like the Surface Pro 3, Lenovo’s new tablet comes with a magnetic keyboard folio dock and an adjustable kickstand that can hold the screen at a desired angle. In order to achieve the smooth hinge action, Lenovo used to „watchband” hinges that we know from its Yoga 3 Pro laptop. The device also features two 5 MP cameras, the rear one sporting Intel RealSense technology. Lenovo claims the battery will allow up to 9 hours of video playback. The MIIX 700 runs Windows 10 Pro or Home. It will be released in November 2015, starting at $699.

www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-announces-MIIX-700-tablet.149851.0.html

First Skylake-Y design win announced. Launching in November for $699 an up. Looks like Lenovo's version of the Surface Pro at a lower price.

Lenovo introduces ThinkPad Yoga 260, 460 convertibles with Intel Skylake

Intel is updating its business-class convertible notebook lineup with two new ThinkPad Yoga models.

The Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga 260 is a 2.9 pound convertible with a 12.5 inch display, while the ThinkPad Yoga 460 is a 14 inch model that weighs 3.9 pounds.

1366 x 768 pixel or 1920 x 1080 pixel display
Up to an Intel Core i7-6600U processor, Intel HD graphics
Up to 16GB of RAM
Up to 512GB of solid state storage
Two USB 3.0 ports
Mini DisplayPort, HDMI
OneLink+
MicroSD card reader
12.2″ x 8.7″ x 0.7″
2.9 pounds

Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga 460
1920 x 1080 pixel IPS or 2560 x 1440 pixel display
Up to an Intel Core i7 processor, Integrated graphics or NVIDIA GeForce 940M
Up to 8GB of RAM
Up to 1TB of hard drive or 256GB of solid state storage
Three USB 3.0 ports
Mini DisplayPort, HDMI
OneLink+
SD card reader
Up to 10 hours of battery life
13″ 9.3″ x 0.74″
3.9 pounds

http://liliputing.com/2015/09/lenov...-260-460-convertibles-with-intel-skylake.html

AnandTech article about the new Lenovo Skylake notebooks: www.anandtech.com/show/9576/lenovo-refreshes-ideapad-lineup-with-windows-10-skylake-and-carrizo

Acer launches Aspire V 13 laptop for $599 and up

Acer’s latest Aspire V 13 laptop features an Intel Skylake processor, optional full HD and touchscreen displays, and support for up to 16GB of RAM and up to 1TB of storage.
The new Acer Aspire V 13 is a portable notebook that weighs about 3.5 pounds or less, and which should be available in October for $599 and up. Entry-level models will be available with Intel Pentium processors and 13.3 inch, 1366 x 768 pixel displays. But Acer also plans to offer models with up to a Core i7 Skylake chip and 1920 x 1080 pixel displays (with optional touch).

Acer will offer models with up to 256GB of solid state storage, up to 1TB of hard drive storage, or up to 500GB of hybrid storage. The company says an Aspire V 13 with a hard drive weighs about 3.5 pounds, while a model with an SSD weighs 3.3 pounds. Both versions measure 12.9″ x 9″ x 0.8″. The laptop features 802.11ac WiFi Bluetooth, four USB ports, Dolby Audio, and a Precision touchpad.

http://liliputing.com/2015/09/acer-launches-aspire-v-13-laptop-for-599-and-up.html


Acer's all-in-one has Intel's latest chips and depth camera

Laptops are the biggest winners with Intel's less power-hungry Skylake chips, but desktop computers do get some perks. Acer has just launched the U5-710, a new all-in-one (AIO), that uses the new CPUs along with Intel RealSense cameras. The high-end Aspire U (U5-710) model gets the latest Core i5 or i7 6th-generation desktop chips, most of which have four cores and a modest performance bump over the last-gen Haswell models. They do use slightly less juice, however, and support up to 16GB of faster (and pricier) DDR4 RAM.

www.engadget.com/2015/09/02/acer-skylake-all-in-one

Not sure if you are joking. Skylake is a released product, Zen will not be released until one year from now. Don't you think we should expect to have more solid data on Skylake?

Is it? I don't see any Core m7 6Y75 product on sale yet, do you know where I can find one to test? See, I'm just curious. Providing a number like 40% better than AMD's current APU lineup means they probably have some silicon working? You already place your bets and told us it will be a lot faster than any Intel quad-core in MT tasks, possibly coming close in ST without any single test result, clockspeed data or indication of where that number comes from. Meanwhile any info that comes from Intel (refering to 'launched products' according to you, chips that are not 1.5 year away) is immediately questioned by you, I'm just wondering why the same questioning doesn't work when we are talking about AMD.

So still no benchmarks, just marketing slides from Intel and speculation?

Yes, just like reliable benchmarks/reviews of Carrizo FX8800P inside an actual OEM notebook months after launch. Except it didn't stop the hype train from the usual suspects.

 

[Walter E Kurtz]

Sweepr, you post page after page of product advertisements with little relevance to Skylake, outside the simple fact that the latest uarch is in a particular product. Are you commercially involved in advertising or what is the point here?

 

[Sweepr]

Sweepr, you post page after page of product advertisements with little relevance to Skylake, outside the simple fact that the latest uarch is in a particular product. Are you commercially involved in advertising or what is the point here?

I post everything related to a certain product. I know some people would like me to stick to CPU-related specs and benchmarks but Skylake is a mobile focused design so I think it's appropriate. You will find posts about design wins in AMD threads too. Not really 'page after page' when the first design wins are being announced now.

I won't take this as an accusation, but no, I'm not commercially involved in any of this.

 

[Walter E Kurtz]

Fair enough.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Is it? I don't see any Core m7 6Y75 product on sale yet, do you know where I can find one to test?

Intel has said it should be released on September 1 in Asia. Where you can actually find one is another story.

Do you really think it is serious to expect the same info available from a product that is already launched vs a product that will be launched more than 1 year from now?

See, I'm just curious. Providing a number like 40% better than AMD's current APU lineup means they probably have some silicon working? You already place your bets and told us it will be a lot faster than any Intel quad-core in MT tasks, possibly coming close in ST without any single test result, clockspeed data or indication of where that number comes from. Meanwhile any info that comes from Intel (refering to 'launched products' according to you, chips that are not 1.5 year away) is immediately questioned by you, I'm just wondering why the same questioning doesn't work when we are talking about AMD.

The difference is that I said what I was speculating/hoping for with Zen.

But you state your Skylake 6Y75 performance numbers as actual facts, despite that you have no official benchmarks proving it and are just speculating too.

There's a huge difference between claiming something is a fact vs admitting it is just speculation.

 

[Sweepr]

Intel has said it should be released on September 1 in Asia. Where you can actually find one is another story.

Do you really think it is serious to expect the same info available from a product that is already launched vs a product that will be launched more than 1 year from now?

That didn't stop you from making proclaiming Zen as a winner compared to Intel's current products, did it?

The difference is that I said what I was speculating/hoping for with Zen.

But you state your Skylake 6Y75 performance numbers as actual facts, despite that you have no official benchmarks proving it and are just speculating too.

There's no OEM product performance numbers yet, you know this and you clearly only questioned this because it's an Intel product, if it was AMD's you would be hyping it more than a year before launch based on the same kind of marketing material. This is fine by me but don't start making false accusations. I said 40% better score suggests higher sustained clocks, (if true) there is nothing wrong here, unless you think the Gen 8 to Gen 9 architecture transition alone would provide such performance bump (we already know it doesn't based on Gen 9 vs Gen 7.5 results).

There's a huge difference between claiming something is a fact vs admitting it is just speculation.

Is this pure speculation and wishful thinking? You didn't make it sound like it.

You're just bitter because in 2016 you'll be sitting on an expensive and slow 4 core Intel CPU, while others will be using a cheaper and faster 8 core AMD CPU.

 

[Fjodor2001]

That didn't stop you from making proclaiming Zen as a winner compared to Intel's current products, did it?

I said that if the assumptions and general estimates that most people on this forum have made about Zen will come true, then it will be much better in MT performance and come close in ST performance compared to Intel's mainstream CPUs. I have never claimed that these performance estimates are a fact though.

There's no OEM product performance numbers yet,

Then maybe you should stop stating 6Y75 performance increase numbers as a fact?

Is this pure speculation and wishful thinking? You didn't make it sound like it.

You're quoting out of context. As I have mentioned before, I have said that if the assumptions and estimates that people on this forum in general have made about Zen, then it will be a much better in MT performance and come close in ST performance compared to Intel 4 core mainstream CPUs. And yes, then I think it'll be better to have an 8 core Zen than a 4 core Intel CPU, especially if you're a enthusiast that benefits from good MT performance. But maybe you don't agree with that?

 

[Sweepr]

I said that if the assumptions and general estimates that most people on this forum have made about Zen will come true, then it will be much better in MT performance and come close in ST performance compared to Intel's mainstream CPUs. I have never claimed that these performance estimates are a fact though.
Then maybe you should stop stating 6Y75 performance increase numbers as a fact?

Every time I mentioned the 40% number I said it 'suggests' higher clocks, never proclaimed it as a fact. Meanwhile this does sound like proclaiming a fact to me:

You're just bitter because in 2016 you'll be sitting on an expensive and slow 4 core Intel CPU, while others will be using a cheaper and faster 8 core AMD CPU.

You're quoting out of context. As I have mentioned before, I have said that if the assumptions and estimates that people on this forum in general have made about Zen, then it will be a much better in MT performance and come close in ST performance compared to Intel 4 core mainstream CPUs. And yes, then I think it'll be better to have an 8 core Zen than a 4 core Intel CPU, especially if you're a enthusiast that benefits from good MT performance. But maybe you don't agree with that?

Oh, I have no problem with the predictions, I just find it funny that you accuse people of doing the same things you do on a regular basis when it comes to AMD products with much less available info than we have about Skylake. At least Intel mentioned the products and the benchmark used used in the Core-M comparison so that we will be able verify if their claim is true or not. A vague 40% better IPC claim can be justified in 1000x different ways if Zen doesn't live up to the hype next year.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Double standards are double as good!

Just put him on ignore. Else he will continue and keep shifting goalpost as well with his Intel hate. Gonna be funny when Zen gets released tho if it doesnt get cancelled.

All his Skylake predictions went straight into the trash.

 

[Arachnotronic]

6700K build in progress...

 

[Burpo]

Nice! I see you found a 6700K..