Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[Fjodor2001]

Well, that's what the benchmarks tell us, don't they. The only concern is that Tom's HW uses DDR4 3200.

Doesn't the CPU also have an impact on the gaming benchmarks? The CPU in the 6700K is faster than the Pentium G4500.

 

[BigDaveX]

Doesn't the CPU also have an impact on the gaming benchmarks? The CPU in the 6700K is faster than the Pentium G4500.

It depends on the particular game. I wouldn't expect a Skylake Pentium to be anywhere close to the 6700K in games, but a Skylake i3 might be a different matter.

 

[dark zero]

Wait so you are saying the Pentium G4500 with Intel hd 530 will beat A8-7600 in integrated graphics gaming? So intel hd 530 is more powerful than A8-7600 gpu?
Because where i live A8-7600 is $115 and the new i3-6100 will be $120.So which will give better performance in integrated graphics?

Actually yes... Considering that Kaveri was figthing against an architecture 3 generations behind...

 

[MikeA65]

There was an interesting podcast about Skylake with David Kanter over at Tech Report. One of the things talked about was the L2 cache, its associativity was lowered from 8 to 4 in Skylake. Kanter thought that was probably because they increased Skylake Xeon's L2 from 256 KB 8 way to 512 KB 8 way and just halved it for client Skylake. If this is true Skylake Xeon might have significantly better IPC than client Skylake.

 

[witeken]

There was an interesting podcast about Skylake with David Kanter over at Tech Report. One of the things talked about was the L2 cache, its associativity was lowered from 8 to 4 in Skylake. Kanter thought that was probably because they increased Skylake Xeon's L2 from 256 KB 8 way to 512 KB 8 way and just halved it for client Skylake. If this is true Skylake Xeon might have significantly better IPC than client Skylake.

Interesting hypothesis. According to AnandTech, it's because it's more power efficiënt and there's no performance loss with the changes they made.

 

[MikeA65]

Interesting hypothesis. According to AnandTech, it's because it's more power efficiënt and there's no performance loss with the changes they made.

They said on the podcast that the 4.5 watt TDP version was a late requirement for Skylake and resulted in significant changes to the design. So the lack of AVX-512 and possible halving of the L2 from the Xeon version may be a result of them squeezing client Skylake into that 4.5 watt TDP.

 

[Nothingness]

Interesting hypothesis. According to AnandTech, it's because it's more power efficiënt and there's no performance loss with the changes they made.

Let's say that the loss due to reduced associativity is compensated by other improvements

I guess the power hypothesis is the right one.

BTW has it been confirmed the Xeon Skylake will have 512 KB of L2 cache?

 

[phillyman36]

i7 6700k back in stock on Newegg. Still with combo only

 

[MikeA65]

Let's say that the loss due to reduced associativity is compensated by other improvements

I guess the power hypothesis is the right one.

BTW has it been confirmed the Xeon Skylake will have 512 KB of L2 cache?

Not as far as I know, the 512 KB L2 for Xeon is a hypothesis by David Kanter.

 

[Burpo]

i7 6700k back in stock on Newegg. Still with combo only

Nice combo..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Combo...tm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Skimlinks

 

[Arachnotronic]

Nice combo..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Combo...tm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Skimlinks

That's the combo I got. It is very, very nice.

 

[GamerMAD]

i7 6700k back in stock on Newegg. Still with combo only

Just got mine ordered. I ordered the thermometer combo, so at least I can choose my motherboard and ram. Now I just need to decide which one...

 

[Muadib]

Just got mine ordered. I ordered the thermometer combo, so at least I can choose my motherboard and ram. Now I just need to decide which one...

Where is that?

 

[phillyman36]

Where is that?

All combos
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...cs=0&bcmTag=0&SortField=0&PageSize=100&Page=1

Doesnt seem to be a direct link just a add this combo

On the cpu page scroll down to the View details there is a browse other combo link.

 

[Burpo]

That's the combo I got. It is very, very nice.

It really is That board has nice features, plus the software & ROG extra's make it worth the few extra bucks (IMO).

Can't wait too see how well it clocks for you

 

[Fjodor2001]

No Skylake Y products available in stores yet? Or at least reviews? They are supposed to be on the market since September 1 (even if only in some selected countries).

I'm really curious to find out how they perform...

 

[Arachnotronic]

No Skylake Y products available in stores yet? Or at least reviews? They are supposed to be on the market since September 1 (even if only in some selected countries).

I'm really curious to find out how they perform...

We'll probably begin seeing them in October, IMO.

 

[Sweepr]

The new ASUS AiO is looking like a fine piece of hardware.

Hands on: Asus Zen AiO S

Asus has used cutting edge components from Intel and Nvidia to build the Zen AiO S and while we don't have benchmarks to prove it, it is likely that this desktop will be blazingly fast. The couple of minutes we had to play with it left us with a very good impression, even when playing back sample 4K videos.

Sixth-generation Skylake processors (either Core i7-6700T, i5-6400T or i3-6100T) have been paired with Nvidia's Maxwell-based GeForce GTX 960M (2GB or 4GB SKUs) or the GTX 950M (1GB or 2GB models).

The company didn't scrimp on other components as well: there's up to 32GB of DDR4 memory, up to a whopping four 512GB M.2 PCIe SSDs, 802.11ac Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth 4.0. It's the same story when it comes to audio with a staggering six speakers built in (two 4W woofers and four 2W speakers to be precise).

We couldn't get them to play but given the size of this PC, it is likely that the sound quality will be superior to your typical laptop. The more exciting news comes when we turn to the visual side of the equation. The larger, 23.6-inch AiO has a 4K display, which is about as good as it gets for this screen diagonal (Apple's 27-inch iMac has a 5K resolution).

www.techradar.com/us/reviews/pc-mac...w?hootPostID=647e94639af102816b4bdb7632c37fe9

35W Core i7-6700T, i5-6400T or i3-6100T + Geforce GTX950M-960M (Maxwell) vs Apple's choice of 65W Broadwell-C/K (Iris Pro) + Radeon M380X-M395X for their next 21.5'' iMac.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Very nice for an AIO. Very stylish too. And all high quality components. But I bet it comes with an impressive price tag.

I'm not sure what to make of these high end AIO:s. They are not very upgradeable, so you're basically stuck with what you buy. I'd hate to be forced to swap out everything if deciding to upgrade one part. That is ok if you haven't payed very much, but for an expensive system it's a pain.

Isn't the AIO segment more suitable for mid-range components and systems?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

All combos
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...cs=0&bcmTag=0&SortField=0&PageSize=100&Page=1

Doesnt seem to be a direct link just a add this combo

On the cpu page scroll down to the View details there is a browse other combo link.

Hmmm, some decent combos there. I'd really like to upgrade from my current 2600K system and was pretty certain I would, but I think I'll wait a couple of months to see if we hear anything more concrete about KabyLake's release.

 

[IntelUser2000]

There was an interesting podcast about Skylake with David Kanter over at Tech Report. One of the things talked about was the L2 cache, its associativity was lowered from 8 to 4 in Skylake. Kanter thought that was probably because they increased Skylake Xeon's L2 from 256 KB 8 way to 512 KB 8 way and just halved it for client Skylake. If this is true Skylake Xeon might have significantly better IPC than client Skylake.

It doesn't rule out the possibility of happening.

But its extremely unlikely. L2 cache is part of the core. They'd have to change the layout of the entire core to accomodate the doubled L2 cache, unless its physical array is 512KB in size and half is disabled already. Then they'd have to worry about keeping latency the same and power in control.

Even less likely because Servers and Mobiles have one thing in common: Power efficiency is a great boon to both. If they cut down associativity on client to lower power do you think they won't do that on server but rather turn around, keep the associativity the same and DOUBLE the size? You think they'd go with increased power, significant change in core layout and entirely seperate validation on the core for that?

Remember the expression "look at the forest not the trees"? Lowering power(like with reduced L2 associativity) to allow more multi-threading abilities on server, is just that. These kind of speculations just reduce the credibility of those saying them(referring to David Kanter).

If this is true Skylake Xeon might have significantly better IPC

Why do you think that doubled L2 would result in "significantly better" IPC? And what is "significantly better"? 5%? Because that's what "significant" means in CPU design. Likely it won't even net 3%, on modern architectures where caches have multiple tiers optimized for every code category, with L1 and L2 being very fast, but small ones. If the doubled L2 cache increases latency even by a little bit, then you'd lose most of the advantages of doubled capacity, because the point of L2 is fast access. L3 cache is a different story.

In fact, on servers if that increase in IPC means power use per core increases so much that you have to cut down on few cores, then they wouldn't use that IPC increasing feature.

 

[IntelUser2000]

AMD better kiss their graphics performance advantage below $100 goodbye. At $82 MSRP (box) Pentium G4500 is slightly cheaper than their (now discounted) A8 7600 and will be able to match its performance in many titles

Sweepr, I wouldn't base Toms benchmark if I were you. They are using very low resolution and settings or an outdated game to test it which puts the favor to Intel CPUs, and it isn't a pure GPU benchmark anymore. Toms is the practically only site where 5675/5775C shows more than 20% difference from the top AMD APU. That alone shows the tests are used to favor Intel CPUs. Why are they running at settings where it goes over 100 fps for an "iGPU" test? Are they trying to run using VR headsets?

Also if you look at Haswell results, there's a difference between CPUs that perform different. You can't expect Pentium G4500 successor with less cores, threads, cache, to perform near 6700K even with the exactly same specced GPU. There's a 45% difference in iGPU performance between 4790K and Core i3 4130 despite having only 8.6% difference in iGPU. A Pentium is even lower than that.

 

[Shivansps]

Yeah there is just no way, difference will be mainly on witch games...

Still i gota say Intel have the killer IGP solution for cheap pc for playing LOL, Dota, WoW, GW2 since its now F2P... all games that favor ST perf. Big IGP is certanly welcome in the low end sprectrum.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Still i gota say Intel have the killer IGP solution for cheap pc for playing LOL, Dota, WoW, GW2 since its now F2P... all games that favor ST perf. Big IGP is certanly welcome in the low end sprectrum.

I think this only makes sense to those with really old systems, or buying a completely new one.

Like I said in the other thread, a 2600K user has two options for better GPU performance:

-Discrete graphics for $60 on sale, a R7 240 DDR3 which offers near Iris Pro 6200 performance
-5675C which costs $300, $80 DDR4, $120 mobo

Even if a Pentium chip that cost $60 had same GPU performance as the Iris Pro 6200 it means greatly reduced system performance, and $260.

 

[Shivansps]

Thats not always the case, some people just buy a pc, for a lot of reasons, you have no idea of how manys are still stuck with 775/AM2/AM3 dual athlons, or even older. Or in some cases worse, the shitty good for nothing 2650/3850 that they brought as new...

If someone has a i3/i5/i7 will probably go and buy a dgpu, althought i whould not recomend a R7 240 since its slower than the A8-7600 IGP even on DC 1333 ram, and it probably not be much of an upgrade even to a G4500 now.
Anyway thats a minority, a lot of people are upgrading from lesser things than that, or just want a new pc, maybe they are not upgrading anything.

HD510 and HD530 makes an important improvement on low end, belive me, specially compared to other offerings like the 5150/5350/7300/7400 taking in consideration cpu/igp, the A8-7600 will more than likely end up better thought, but maybe not on all games.