Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[IntelUser2000]

You are saying like those users that bought those configs are going to get the most ideal ones. Or those LoL gamers will specifically look for such an iGPU system.

Also, the R7 240 DDR3 performs pretty fantastic compared to the iGPUs: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9320/intel-broadwell-review-i7-5775c-i5-5675c/7

At $60-70 cdn, its hard to go anything else.

There are people that go in between these, but majority consists of almost-dont-care, It-needs-to-be-a-decent-experience, and I-must-get-the-best.

 

[Shivansps]

In many places people just search for the cheaper thing than can run X game, the world does not end in the US you know.
And there is a lot of cases when dropping in a R7 240 just does not worth it, or again, just people shooping for another pc, with not intention to upgrade anything.

We are talking cases where the AM1 sells, the Celeron/Pentiums sells, the A4/A6 APUs sells. GT2 Pentium is certanly a good idea for that market as it brings the best of both worlds.

Someone that has a I5 or even an I3 is not going to ever consider a Pentium for any kind of upgrade.

It remains to be seen if there is a GT2 Celeron too, as i think there is G3800 and G3900 naming.

 

[dark zero]

In many places people just search for the cheaper thing than can run X game, the world does not end in the US you know.
And there is a lot of cases when dropping in a R7 240 just does not worth it, or again, just people shooping for another pc, with not intention to upgrade anything.

We are talking cases where the AM1 sells, the Celeron/Pentiums sells, the A4/A6 APUs sells. GT2 Pentium is certanly a good idea for that market as it brings the best of both worlds.

Someone that has a I5 or even an I3 is not going to ever consider a Pentium for any kind of upgrade.

It remains to be seen if there is a GT2 Celeron too, as i think there is G3800 and G3900 naming.

Sadly checking the Celerons, they are GT1... So no GT2 this time.

Also the Pentium with GT2 will come with a botched one (iGPU) since it can only resist 2400 Mhz RAM Bandwidth tops. Similar thing with the Core i3. The brutal performance increase came at 3000...

So.. Intel must rethink seriously the RAM bus supporting.

I think that Kabylake might be the real Sandy Bridge since:
- Will have a mature 14 nm process
- They planned to increase the EU up to 96, so the lowest ammount could be 24 (GT2) going to Celeron.
- Also that generation will improve IGPU dramatically, even far better than before.

The only thing Intel needs is having a strong edRAM even on the lowest tiers

 

[Spydermag68]

Just a heads up. Microcenter now has i7-6700k in stock for in store pick up. The only one I know right now is the one in Denver.

 

[phillyman36]

Just a heads up. Microcenter now has i7-6700k in stock for in store pick up. The only one I know right now is the one in Denver.

Yeah the one in Philly has 6 of them.

 

[sze5003]

Yeah the one in Philly has 6 of them.

I work right by that one too. Is that a good upgrade for me coming from what I have now? I guess I also need a new mobo too.

 

[Burpo]

i5 2500k @ 4.6GHz Cinebench 11.5 = 7.28 points

vs.

i7-6700K @ 4.78GHz Cinebench 11.5 = 11.21 points

 

[sze5003]

Looks good enough I guess I'll have to plan an upgrade at some point. Although I have had zero issues with my current system.

 

[Ajay]

i5 2500k @ 4.6GHz Cinebench 11.5 = 7.28 points

vs.

i7-6700K @ 4.78GHz Cinebench 11.5 = 11.21 points

Yes, an i7-6700 will be awesome if you play Cinebench allot

Looks good enough I guess I'll have to plan an upgrade at some point. Although I have had zero issues with my current system.

If you have zero issues, why upgrade? I mean, if you have and itch to scratch, that's up to you - but you don't seem to need to upgrade.

 

[sze5003]

Yes, an i7-6700 will be awesome if you play Cinebench allot



If you have zero issues, why upgrade? I mean, if you have and itch to scratch, that's up to you - but you don't seem to need to upgrade.

Yea I agree, I don't play as many games on PC as I used to. But I like having new tech every now and then. Probably will just end up with a new GPU. Who knows my rig is about 4-5 years old now.

 

[frozentundra123456]

6700k was in stock at microcenter near me (Minneapolis, MN) earlier today, but now shows out of stock. Plenty of 6600k, and price is only 229.00.

 

[Spydermag68]

I ordered my i7-6700k from microcenter just before I posted. I just got back with it and the motherboard I wanted. I have everything except ram.

 

[bononos]

Either I'm missing something or the Skylake release must the the most underwhelming generation in Intel's history. Only low single %digit improvement from Haswell/Broadwell.
Haswell gave 10-15% improvement over Ivy and was lambasted for it but I don't see the same level of irritation or maybe I missed it somewhere in this 100pg thread.

 

[boozzer]

Either I'm missing something or the Skylake release must the the most underwhelming generation in Intel's history. Only low single %digit improvement from Haswell/Broadwell.
Haswell gave 10-15% improvement over Ivy and was lambasted for it but I don't see the same level of irritation or maybe I missed it somewhere in this 100pg thread.

we got used to it as it is the new norm to expect and recieve such small performance increase gen over gen. why? amd hasn't provide any competition since c2d. This might change if zen is competitive again.

 

[LTC8K6]

Either I'm missing something or the Skylake release must the the most underwhelming generation in Intel's history. Only low single %digit improvement from Haswell/Broadwell.
Haswell gave 10-15% improvement over Ivy and was lambasted for it but I don't see the same level of irritation or maybe I missed it somewhere in this 100pg thread.

If you use an igp, like most do, Broadwell and Skylake are large improvements. :biggrin:

 

[StrangerGuy]

If you use an igp, like most do, Broadwell and Skylake are large improvements. :biggrin:

Even with regards to the iGPU it's still a much lower improvement than IVB to Haswell.

Bonobos has a point. IVB to Haswell brought significant IPC, iGPU and perf/W increases and DC brought much higher clocks with the 4790K, all on the same 22nm node. Compared to Haswell, Skylake on 14nm is rubbish.

I guess people here are so bored with state of CPUs that they are going to jump on anything new from Intel.

 

[mikk]

Even with regards to the iGPU it's still a much lower improvement than IVB to Haswell.

It isn't a lower improvement. It is a bigger improvement.

 

[BigDaveX]

The underlying architecture in the Ivy Bridge and Haswell GPUs is mostly the same, but the latter brought in a big performance improvement by way of adding in eDRAM and a bunch of extra EUs.

Judging by how uneven the performance figures for Skylake's iGPU are, I've got a feeling that Intel deliberately half-assed the release drivers, just because they knew that 98% of people who bought Skylake at launch would be using it with a dGPU of some description, and we'll see its full potential in the months ahead (probably when GT3(e) and GT4e parts show up).

 

[myocardia]

It isn't a lower improvement. It is a bigger improvement.

Indeed. Ivy Bridge to Haswell gave us ~5-7% IPC improvement. Haswell to Skylake gives us 5-20% IPC improvement, depending on the type of software being utilized.

 

[myocardia]

The underlying architecture in the Ivy Bridge and Haswell GPUs is mostly the same, but the latter brought in a big performance improvement by way of adding in eDRAM and a bunch of extra EUs.

The only differences between Ivy Bridge, Haswell, and Skylake iGPUs are the amount of EUs, and clockspeeds. You're thinking of the Broadwell GT3e, the only Intel iGPU released so far with eDRAM. That's why it decimates the others in gaming, including the Skylakes.

and we'll see its full potential in the months ahead (probably when GT3(e) and GT4e parts show up).

No doubt. The Skylakes with GT4e iGPUs most likely will have zero competition (edit: iGPU-wise, not CPU-wise), outside of dedicated GPUs.

 

[Sweepr]

I consider Skylake a better tock than Haswell because its overclocking potential didn't regress. There's the usual IPC improvement and it overclocks slightly better than Haswell.

The new graphics architecture is pretty exciting too if you're going to rely on iGPUs.

 

[krumme]

From a user perspective unless it lead to lower prices sl is the same as hw. You need bm to tell the difference.
For mobile hw brougt a substantial improvement in batterylife that matters in real world.
For desktop ib is so similar to sl its sad.
The igpu is nice but its the same story as amd. Who that dont buy gfx needs it?

Skylake is impressive. There is just no benefit and its not about the arch and process.

 

[bononos]

If you use an igp, like most do, Broadwell and Skylake are large improvements. :biggrin:

Turns out I mis-read the AT review generational comparison and missed the part where it says IPC, so Skylake still has double digit %perf improvements over Haswell/Broadwell at stock clocks. So the figures given in the OP are plausible. Hooray skylake.

 

[Deders]

Indeed. Ivy Bridge to Haswell gave us ~5-7% IPC improvement. Haswell to Skylake gives us 5-20% IPC improvement, depending on the type of software being utilized.

Yep, in some of the aida benchmarks skylake beats 6 core monsters, I have a feeling that we'll see it's full potential more and more as software advances.

Someone in this forum was convinced that Nehalem didn't bring much of an improvement in games compared to a core2 quad, but as time went on Nehalem is still able to play all games whereas core2 quads can have significant reduction in performance.

The amount of execution units and simds will come into play. It's not purely about IPC. Still a 4.7GHz Skylake will beat a 5GHz Haswell.

 

[BigDaveX]

The only differences between Ivy Bridge, Haswell, and Skylake iGPUs are the amount of EUs, and clockspeeds. You're thinking of the Broadwell GT3e, the only Intel iGPU released so far with eDRAM. That's why it decimates the others in gaming, including the Skylakes.

Haswell was the first one where they brought in the GT3e SKU, albeit only in a mobile incarnation. Broadwell was the first desktop chip to incorporate eDRAM, but Haswell was the first overall.