Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

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dark zero

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50% increase in 3years and a hex core laptop? Don't ask for much do you? CPUs are a mature product now. The days of 20 to 40 percent gain and a worthwhile upgrade with each generation are gone. You may as well get used to it.

If that so, I'll stop here and stay with the old school. Until they release some dramatic improvement like Sandy, they won't see me spending money on their crappy increases.

The only improvement is the i5 who are quad Cores.
So... Anyone who has an Sandy Bridge i7 MQ to avobe don't need to.upgrade.
However people who has an i5 can.move to the real Quad Core
 

ShintaiDK

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The different 6700 box indicates that a cooler is included. I wonder if it is the TS15A?

EDIT: Wouldn't make any sense with a 65W TDP, so probably the Haswell standard cooler.

Shame they didnt put the TS15A with the K models. Seems to be a 150W cooler. Keeps my 6700K at 75-80C under peak prime95 load with a 30% fan speed. (1500rpm)
 
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Sweepr

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CPU-World: Intel announces Skylake lineup: embedded processors

Earlier this month we reported on Intel Skylake microprocessors, announced on September 1st. So far we posted details on announced desktop "Skylake-S" CPUs for socket 1151, and mobile "Skylake-H", "Skylake-U" and "Skylake-Y" BGA processors. According to Intel's ARK product database, the company will also launch embedded BGA models and several embedded models for socket LGA1151.
For embedded socket LGA1151 platform, Intel plans Pentium G4400TE, Core i3-6100TE, i5-6500TE and i7-6700TE SKUs. All four model numbers resemble model numbers of Pentium G4400T, Core i3-6100T, i5-6500T and i7-6700T consumer processors, with a suffix "E" added. However, the embedded microprocessors differ not only by the model number, but also have different CPU and GPU clock rates. Remaining features, like core count, cache size (with the exception of the Core i3-6100TE), GPU type, memory support and TDP values are identical to consumer parts.

All microprocessors for embedded mobile platform are based on Skylake-H CPU core, and require a motherboard with 100-series mobile chipset. Intel plans to release seven models, specifically Core i3-6100E, i3-6102E, i5-6440EQ, i5-6442EQ, i7-6820EQ, i7-6822EQ and Xeon E3-1505L v5. Core i3-6100E, i5-6440EQ and i7-6820EQ are somewhat similar to the Core i3-6100H, i5-6440HQ and i7-6820HQ consumer models, although their operating CPU and GPU frequencies are up 100 MHz higher or lower depending on SKU.

www.cpu-world.com//news_2015/2015092301_Intel_announces_Skylake_lineup_embedded_processors.html

25W 4C/8T CPUs once again. I'm confident they will be ready to launch a 6C/12T mobile chip at reasonable clocks when Cannonlake hits the market.


Intel drained PC channel inventory to speed up transition to ‘Skylake’, Windows 10


Sales of personal computers have been sluggish in the recent quarters, which decreased revenue of PC makers and PC hardware manufacturers. Apparently, Intel Corp. has prepared for slow demand for PCs and significantly reduced shipments of its central processing units in the first half of the year, draining inventory at PC makers. As a result, the company can now sell more “Skylake” processors.
Traditionally, Intel Corp. ships more central processing units in the first half of the year to prepare for increased demand for personal computers in the second half. In fact, the chip giant ships more CPUs in the first half than PC makers and other partners can sell. The tactics allows manufacturers of computers to assemble enough systems for the back half of the year. However, this year new processors from Intel and new operating system from Microsoft were released in the second half of the year, which means that demand for PCs was expected to be low in the 1H 2015. As a result, Intel changed its traditional tactics this year.

www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/anton-sh...-to-speed-up-transition-to-skylake-windows-10
 
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RussianSensation

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50% increase in 3years and a hex core laptop? Don't ask for much do you?

I apologize if I wasn't clear / concise enough in my post. The 50% reference was relative to SB/IVB CPUs such as my i7 3635QM 3.4Ghz. In other words, I am giving Intel all the opportunity in the world to get me to upgrade in 3 years from now.

1. 50% over my 6.38 score implies a score of 9.57.
2. Since their i7 6820HQ/HK series already scores 7.78, that means they only need to get 23% performance increase in 3 years from now.
3. Intel will have gone through Kaby Lake, 10nm Cannonlake shrink (2017) and hopefully a new architecture with Icelake in 2018.

I am giving them until September 2018 to hit these targets, which averages out to just 7.25% increase per annum in single threaded performance. I don't see how this is unrealistic given that they'll have a new architecture and a node shrink to 10nm on their side. I think I am perfectly realistic, in fact extremely conservative.

As to your point about hex cores in 45-47W TDP, that's also completely realistic in 3 years from now (Sept 2018). The i7 6820 series costs $378 in bulk (same as my i7 3635QM did). I would be even willing to pay $500 for a 6-core Icelake 47W mobile chip --> All Intel needs to do is design a brand new product line for high-end mobile gaming/productivity by ditching the worthless IGP many of us never use. Look at the amount of transistor/die space taken up by the Intel GPU? I don't want it in my $400-500 i7 CPU. Get rid of it and it's going to be a peace of cake to make a 6-8 core i7 on 10nm by 2018.

CPUs are a mature product now. The days of 20 to 40 percent gain and a worthwhile upgrade with each generation are gone. You may as well get used to it.

I consider true Intel generations as they are tied to architecture. Intel of course wants to market even node shrinks as new generations which I think is marketing BS. Intel never called Q9550-9650 CPUs a new generation vs. Kentsfield Q6600-6700 despite having 5% higher IPC and a node shrink. When I discuss new generations I am talking about major jumps on either ticks or tocks such as Sandy->Haswell->Skylake OR Ivy -> Broadwell -> Cannonlake.

Intel should be able to get 15-20% generational increases since a generation takes 2 years but they have been failing in this regard with mobile Skylake. The move from IVB i7 3635QM to i7 6820 Skylake encompasses 2 full generations! (IVB -> Haswell -> Skylake) and yet the i7 6820 is clocked too low and its IPC looks like only about 10% better than Haswell, which is how they got only 22-23% higher performance over my IVB. Disappointing.

The 4Ghz i7 6820HK looks promising but it's going to be very difficult to get a cool and quiet 4.5-5 lbs 15.6" laptop that can overclock to those speeds.

I think a lot of users on the desktop and mobile are slowly shifting to the 5-6 year i5/i7 upgrade path. Even in reviews the most highlighted features of Skylake are platform upgrades, not overclocking, not IPC, not much increased overall performance.

Even looking at anecdotal evidence of Skylake upgraders on AT, a lot of them are coming from Q9xxx series or 1st generation i5/i7 CPUs. Once we get into Sandy and IVB crowd, it's far less.

This is also the first generation I can think of where the 6-core 5820K easily gives the i7 6700K a run for the $. What makes it worse is that at MicroCenter the i7 5820K is $299 but the i7 6700K is $359 and it's also not even in stock. Even when looking at the value proposition, the i7 6700K is also one of the most overpriced i7s in recent years since we've never before had such as fast 6-core from Intel priced at $299 to compare.

I think a lot of people aren't looking at the context. i7 2600K OC was beast mode and easily matched or beat i7 990X in most benchmarks:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-2600k-990x_9.html#sect0

OTOH, i7 6700K OC cannot really beat i7 5820K OC, which is not the scenario i7 2600K OC faced against 990X OC. In the past, the decision to get a faster/newest architecture i7 over older 6-core was mostly clear cut but this is definitely not the case now. It's really too bad that Skylake-E seems to be pushed back to Q1 2017 now
 

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The different 6700 box indicates that a cooler is included. I wonder if it is the TS15A?

EDIT: Wouldn't make any sense with a 65W TDP, so probably the Haswell standard cooler.

Well, I placed an order just to see what would happen, and it shipped! I have a tracking number, it will be here on Friday. Can't wait to see what it is.
 
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LTC8K6

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Shame they didnt put the TS15A with the K models. Seems to be a 150W cooler. Keeps my 6700K at 75-80C under peak prime95 load with a 30% fan speed. (1500rpm)

I have 2 of the TS15A coolers. They seem to be pretty good. The heatpipe in them must make a big difference.
 

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Head1985

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Btw here is HT scalling with cpu at 2.5Ghz.I recommending looking mainly at frametimes and comparable FPS because its far better than just fraps.

Same details and test scene from my first test here http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37684080&postcount=4726

i7 6700k 2.5Ghz
16GB DDR4 3000Mhz
GTX970 1500/8000
win10

Witcher3

HT ON
1920x1080
Fraps log Avg: 68.094 - Min: 59 - Max: 77
Frametimes and comparable FPS
http://abload.de/img/hton19205yqcb.jpg

1680x1050
Fraps log Avg: 75.048 - Min: 62 - Max: 85
Frametimes and comparable FPS
http://abload.de/img/hton16800tozf.jpg

1024x768
Fraps log Avg: 96.591 - Min: 80 - Max: 112
Frametimes and comparable FPS
http://abload.de/img/hton1024yiq30.jpg

HT OFF
1920x1080
Fraps log Avg: 65.880 - Min: 50 - Max: 75
Frametimes and comparable FPS
http://abload.de/img/htoff1920y2r5e.jpg

1680x1050
Fraps log Avg: 68.168 - Min: 54 - Max: 78
Frametimes and comparable FPS
http://abload.de/img/htoff1680vurrq.jpg

1024x768
Fraps log Avg: 72.346 - Min: 57 - Max: 106
Frametimes and comparable FPS
http://abload.de/img/htoff1024tirbd.jpg

Dying Ligt
In this game its GPU limited even at 1024x768..GTX970 sucks :|
screenshot at same place
HT OFF 60.1Fps
http://abload.de/img/dyinglightgame_2015_04fy05.png
HT ON 76.7Fps
http://abload.de/img/dyinglightgame_2015_0lzbms.png


1920x1080 HT ON
Fraps log Avg: 74.389 - Min: 56 - Max: 89
Frametimes and comparable FPS
http://abload.de/img/1920x1080htonbqu5a.jpg
1680x1050 HT ON
Fraps log Avg: 80.561 - Min: 60 - Max: 96
Frametimes and comparable FPS
http://abload.de/img/1680x1050htonb8utd.jpg
1024x768 HT ON
Fraps log Avg: 103.776 - Min: 74 - Max: 135
Frametimes and comparable FPS
http://abload.de/img/1024x768htond8u8b.jpg

1920x1080 HT OFF
Fraps log Avg: 72.094 - Min: 55 - Max: 89
Frametimes and comparable FPS
http://abload.de/img/1920x1080htoffa1uly.jpg
1680x1050 HT OFF
Fraps log Avg: 77.409 - Min: 55 - Max: 98
Frametimes and comparable FPS
http://abload.de/img/1680x1050htoffffuro.jpg
1024x768 HT OFF
Fraps log Avg: 93.273 - Min: 61 - Max: 133
Frametimes and comparable FPS
http://abload.de/img/1024x768htoff8sufn.jpg

Far cry4
screenshot at same place
HT ON http://abload.de/img/farcry4_2015_09_18_17s6sex.png
HT OFF http://abload.de/img/farcry4_2015_09_18_18alssw.png

1920x1080 HT ON
Fraps log Avg: 80.867 - Min: 66 - Max: 102
Frametimes and comparable http://abload.de/img/1920hton6vszm.jpg

1650x1080 HT ON
Fraps log Avg: 80.023 - Min: 55 - Max: 97
Frametimes and comparable http://abload.de/img/1650htonqpspq.jpg

1024x768 HT ON
Fraps log Avg: 83.638 - Min: 53 - Max: 101
Frametimes and comparable http://abload.de/img/1024htonscs2e.jpg

1920x1080 HT OFF
Fraps log Avg: 79.410 - Min: 45 - Max: 95
Frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1920htoffnhsq9.jpg

1650x1080 HT OFF
Fraps log Avg: 78.241 - Min: 47 - Max: 95
Frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1650htoffadslh.jpg

1024x768 HT OFF
Fraps log Avg: 82.192 - Min: 52 - Max: 98
Frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1024htoffucs9c.jpg

Watchdogs

screenshot at same place
HT ON 72Fps http://abload.de/img/watch_dogs_2015_09_19otop5.png
HT OFF 57FPs http://abload.de/img/watch_dogs_2015_09_19vcpt8.png

Test scene.recorded with cpu at 2.5Ghz HToff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Os2_U ... e=youtu.be

1920x1080 HT ON
Fraps Log Avg: 69.327 - Min: 51 - Max: 93
Frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1920hton0upwz.jpg

1650x1080 HT ON
Fraps Log Avg: 71.094 - Min: 51 - Max: 102
Frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1650htonafpsj.jpg

1024x768 HT ON
Fraps Log Avg: 72.991 - Min: 49 - Max: 131
Frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1024htonmnqp3.jpg


1920x1080 HT OFF
Fraps Log Avg: 51.184 - Min: 33 - Max: 84
Frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1920htoffaqrbj.jpg

1650x1080 HT OFF
Fraps Log Avg: 51.502 - Min: 33 - Max: 88
Frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1650htoffsyr1y.jpg

1024x768 HT OFF
Fraps Log Avg: 50.756 - Min: 33 - Max: 88
Frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1024htoffxrq65.jpg

Crysis3

screenshot at same place
HT ON 53.5Fps http://abload.de/img/crysis3_2015_09_21_11nbl5h.png
HT OFF 37.7Fps http://abload.de/img/crysis3_2015_09_21_11rqz1j.png


1920x1080 HT ON
Fraps log Avg: 50.576 - Min: 42 - Max: 74
frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1920htonbaabm.jpg

1920x1080 HT OFF
Fraps log Avg: 34.815 - Min: 27 - Max: 54
frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1920htoff4zx0f.jpg


GTA5
Tests cene(all max + 2xMSAA.Advanced all max)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4aEWP2pAEE

screenshot at same place
HT ON 60fps http://abload.de/img/gta5_2015_09_21_11_47n5syv.png
HT OFF 57fps http://abload.de/img/gta5_2015_09_21_12_0282syb.png

1920x1080 HT ON
Fraps log Avg: 63.959 - Min: 49 - Max: 77
frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1920hton3oue3.jpg

1650x1080 HT ON

Fraps log Avg: 64.313 - Min: 49 - Max: 83
frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1650htonl7u1z.jpg

1024x768 HT ON
Fraps log Avg: 66.573 - Min: 49 - Max: 101
frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1024htonuturk.jpg


1920x1080 HT OFF
Fraps log Avg: 62.516 - Min: 47 - Max: 78
frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1920htoffx1uj7.jpg

1650x1080 HT OFF

Fraps log Avg: 62.679 - Min: 47 - Max: 83
frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1650htoffezuxn.jpg

1024x768 HT OFF

Fraps log Avg: 63.834 - Min: 47 - Max: 91
frametimes and comparable Fps http://abload.de/img/1024htoffroutl.jpg


Thats ALL
HT scalling calculated with FLA calculator
witcher3-44%
dying light- screenshot 27%.
dying light- test scene 13%
far cry4- screenshot 5%
far cry4- test scene 6%
watchdogs- screenshot 26%
watchdogs-test scene 46%
crysis3- screenshot 41%
crysis3- test scene 60.5%
GTA5- screenshot 5%
GTA5- test scene 3%
 
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RussianSensation

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^ Excellent data. Your data and professional reviews continue to show that i7 > i5, which is why overall i7 4790K way better >>>> i5-6600K.
 

Head1985

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I found every review dont know how to test cpu properly.So i tested it myself.
Only one good review is here http://www.purepc.pl/procesory/test_procesora_intel_core_i76700k_skylake_premiera_lga_1151?page=0,34
Others testing in GPU limited areas....

From my testing skylake have 30-40% IPC gain vs sandy bridge at same clock and also skylake have much better and improved HT and scalling much better than sandy bridge HT.
I am not sure about haswell HT scalling, because i dont have one.

i am not sure what else test.I tested everything

Games at same clock vs sandy bridge with frametimes.
HT ON/OFF at 4.6GHz with frametimes
HT On/OFF at 2.5Ghz to neglet slow GTX970 and put there cpu limit and show HT scalling with frametimes
What should i test next?
 

Sweepr

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Lenovo Yoga 900 Specifications





http://winfuture.de/news,89070.html


I found every review dont know how to test cpu properly.So i tested it myself.
Only one good review is here http://www.purepc.pl/procesory/test_procesora_intel_core_i76700k_skylake_premiera_lga_1151?page=0,34
Others testing in GPU limited areas....

From my testing skylake have 30-40% IPC gain vs sandy bridge at same clock and also skylake have much better and improved HT and scalling much better than sandy bridge HT.
I am not sure about haswell HT scalling, because i dont have one.


Thank you!
Once the CPU becomes the bottleneck we can really see how they stack up against each other.
 

throwa

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Received my i7-6700 from tigerdirect. This is the cooler it came with








Any chance you can take a picture of the "bottom" of that HSF and post??

Thanks, I wanna see what "bottom" looks like.

Next few days will be interesting with Core i3, Pentium, etc finally going on sale for general public/peasant class such as ourselves.

I would consider myself peasant class, so I'm in the market for one of these "budget" SKylake chips myself.
 
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