Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[ShintaiDK]

The NUC i5 will be based on the i5 6260U with GT3e graphics.

 

[BigDaveX]

How much memory does it take to run a 1440p monitor?

Thanks.

Well, strictly speaking, only 16 megabytes.

Obviously you'll need a little more than that for most practical scenarios, but desktop scenarios won't ever come remotely close to maxing out an iGPU's frame buffer, and games will likely get bottlenecked by the overall processing power (or lack thereof) long before the memory allocation becomes an issue.

 

[Sweepr]

ASUS just launched the new Zenbook UX305CA in the US. Successor to the popular UX305FA.

Old model:
13.3-Inch Full-HD IPS Anti-Glare Matte Display with an Ultra-wide 170° Viewing Angle.
Intel Core M-5Y10 Processor (4M Cache, up to 2.00 GHz).
8 GB RAM
256 GB Solid State Drive
Up to 8~10 Hours Battery Life.
1.2 MP High Definition Webcam.
Equipped with dual-band WiFi 802.11N. Bluetooth 4.0.
The unit weighs only 2.6 lbs, is less than .5-inch thin.

New model:
CPU Core M3-6Y30 (la meno potente delle 4) 2 Core / 4 Threads, 900 MHz / 2.2 GHz, 4 MB L3
GPU HD 515 - 300 / 850 MHz TDP 4.5 Watt
13.3'' IPS full HD display (1920 x 1080 pixel)
8GB RAM DDR3L 1866 MHz
256GB SSD (M.2 2280)
Wi-Fi 802.11ac e Bluetooth 4.0
1x micro HDMI, 3x USB 3.0, SD card slot
45 Wh
1.2 MP Webcam (HD 30fps recording)
Audio Bang & Olufsen ICEpower

http://hardware.hdblog.it/2015/10/29/Asus-Zenbook-UX305CA-Core-M3-Skylake

One of the finest and most popular Core M products out there. Same price as the old version, $699.
The fastest model comes with Core m7-6Y75, QHD+ (3200 x 1800 pixel) display, 512GB SSD for $1099.
In comparison, a WiFi-only iPad Pro 128GB with Smart Keyboard will cost $1.118.

Are there any GT3e benchmarks out yet (desktop or notebook)? I have been googling and have been unable to find anything other than HD530.

So far only this:

GFXBench Windows OpenGL - 1080p Manhattan 3.1 Offscreen (Top Scores)
- Iris™ Graphics 540 (15W Skylake-U GT3e): 63.5 FPS
- HD Graphics 520 (15W Skylake-U GT2): 39.6 FPS
- Iris™ Pro Graphics 5200 (47W Haswell-H GT3e): 61.2 FPS
- HD Graphics 5000 (15W Haswell-U GT3): 36.7 FPS
- Geforce GT940M: 52.3 FPS

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37789790&postcount=5309

The NUC i5 will be based on the i5 6260U with GT3e graphics.

Nice find Shintai. This will be a noticeable upgrade from Broadwell-U GT3. Since there's no Core i3 with GT3e the low-end NUC model will be quite a bit slower.

Which version are you planning to buy?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Nice find Shintai. This will be a noticeable upgrade from Broadwell-U GT3. Since there's no Core i3 with GT3e the low-end NUC model will be quite a bit slower.

Which version are you planning to buy?

That's the problem now. I was sure of the i3 in the expectation that the i5 would just be +500-700Mhz in the 6200U/6300U.

Considering HEVC is hybrid for Main10 and any possible hybrid codecs. I tilt heavily towards the i5 now. They come out the same time, so that's not an issue. And it looks like the i5 is 100€/$ more. That's a non issue too.

So basically still debating if the codec options will benefit going the i5 GT3e route over the i3 GT2.

So people are free to give me input there

Ark compare:
http://ark.intel.com/compare/88180,91160

 

[dark zero]

Is no brainer. GT3e supposedly comes with edRAM. That ALSO improves CPU performance

 

[ShintaiDK]

If it doesn't add anything to decode. Then it doesn't offer anything for me in terms of the HTPC.

Skylake now got VP9 and 8K support:

 

[dark zero]

The question is if it can go 8K at 60 fps

 

[Fjodor2001]

ASUS just launched the new Zenbook UX305CA in the US. Successor to the popular UX305FA.

http://hardware.hdblog.it/2015/10/29/Asus-Zenbook-UX305CA-Core-M3-Skylake

One of the finest and most popular Core M products out there. Same price as the old version, $699.
The fastest model comes with Core m7-6Y75, QHD+ (3200 x 1800 pixel) display, 512GB SSD for $1099.

Nice find! But no USB3 Type C? Looking forward to a review of it anyway.

 

[Sweepr]

For those interested this review compared the two Surface Pro 4 models available right now, Core m3-6Y30 and Core i5-6300U.

Core m3-6Y30
PCMark 8 Home: 2364
3DMark 11 Performance: 1348
Geekbench 3 Multi-Core: 4947

Core i5-6300U
PCMark 8 Home: 2824
3DMark 11 Performance: 1574
Geekbench 3 Multi-Core: 6732

Best Core M-5Y10c scores I found:
3DMark 11 Performance: 690 points
Geekbench 3 Multi-Core (Windows 32-bit): 4341

Close to double the 3DMark 11 score of Broadwell-Y.
I have a feeling Skylake-Y will be able to sustain its performance better than its predecessor, but we need more tests. Still, promising results.

Core m3-6Y30 gaming videos:

Age of Empires III Complete Edition
Half Life 2: Episode One
Batman Arkham Asylum
Dead Space 2
Battlefield 3
Assassin's Creed Revelations
Lego: Lord of the Rings
Devil May Cry
Tomb Raider
Grid 2
Resident Evil Revelations

 

[Be1n]

bottlenecked by the overall processing power (or lack thereof) long before the memory allocation becomes an issue.

Ah I see.

I don't play demanding games, I'm thinking my 530 will hold up if I stop using AA.

I'm going to give it a shot.

 

[Nothingness]

For those interested this review compared the two Surface Pro 4 models available right now, Core m3-6Y30 and Core i5-6300U.

Core m3-6Y30
PCMark 8 Home: 2364
3DMark 11 Performance: 1348
Geekbench 3 Multi-Core: 4947

Core i5-6300U
PCMark 8 Home: 2824
3DMark 11 Performance: 1574
Geekbench 3 Multi-Core: 6732

Best Core M-5Y10c scores I found:
3DMark 11 Performance: 690 points
Geekbench 3 Multi-Core (Windows 32-bit): 4341

The GB3 scores of the Surface Pro 4 certainly look like 64-bit results. 5Y10c best result in that case is 4554.

 

[witeken]

I've been looking at the presentations from the Data Center Day, they're quite good. Like the one about silicon photonics. Although delayed by one year, it will be quite big by 2020.

The 3D XPoint one is also interesting.

http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...76D/Data_Center_Day_NGNVM_Final_CROOKE_nn.pdf

http://www.intc.com/events.cfm

 

[Sweepr]

First Surface Pro 4 Gaming Videos (Core i5-6300U, HD Graphics 520, 8GB RAM)

Clear improvement from the Surface Pro 3. With some adjustements you can play a lot of demanding titles. Core i7-6650U should pack quite a punch with the Iris iGPU.

- Dota 2
- Counter Strike Global Offensive
- Minecraft
- League of Legends
- Starcraft 2
- Guild Wars 2
- GTA V
- Left4Dead 2
- Battlefield 4

More videos:
- Dying Light
- Smite
- The Witcher 3
- Civilization V
- Shogun 2
- Heroes of the Storm
- TES Skyrim
- Final Fantasy XIV
- Crysis 2
- Diablo III
- Metro Last Light
- Heroes of Newerth

 

[ShintaiDK]

First place with Skylake NUCs in stock and selling.
http://pc24.de/prozessor/intel/pentium/boxnuc6i3syk.html
http://pc24.de/catalogsearch/result/?q=NUC6i

 

[Sweepr]

Some Skylake bits from NotebookCheck's Surface Book Review. They compared three Intel CPU generations.

As one of the first new notebooks to be equipped with the 2.4 GHz Core i5-6300U, raw performance in synthetic CPU benchmarks leaves a very positive impression. The Surface Book maintains healthy leads over common ULV processors of yesteryear including the i5-5300U Broadwell and i5-4200U Haswell by up to 14 percent and 27 percent, respectively, in multi-core CineBench tests. Single-core gains over Broadwell are smaller due to smaller differences in Turbo Boost speeds.

Cinebench 11.5
Core i5 4300U (Haswell-U)
ST: 1.23
MT: 2.78
Core i5 5300U (Broadwell-U)
ST: 1.36
MT: 2.98
Core i5 6300U (Skylake-U)
ST: 1.41
MT: 3.42

Cinebench 15
Core i5 4300U (Haswell-U)
ST: 108
MT: 252
Core i5 5300U (Broadwell-U)
ST: 118
MT: 269
Core i5 6300U (Skylake-U)
ST: 122
MT: 305

15% better MT performance compared to Broadwell and >20% compared to Haswell.

www.notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-Surface-Book-Core-i5-Nvidia-GPU-Notebook-Review.153126.0.html

First place with Skylake NUCs in stock and selling.
http://pc24.de/prozessor/intel/pentium/boxnuc6i3syk.html
http://pc24.de/catalogsearch/result/?q=NUC6i

Nice to see Skylake-U GT3e on the market. Now we need some tests.

 

[witeken]

Really surprising how much Cache Twister has.

So, using http://www.techpowerup.com/img/15-08-18/77a.jpg and http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9686/A9PNG.png (assuming it's Samsung), I come up with

4.33 mm² - 5.24 mm² for SKL LLC
4.53 mm² - 5.01 mm² for TWT LLC

The range is because for

Intel: I used 2*5*2cm on my monitor for the smaller number and 2.2*11cm for the larger number (which includes the ring).
Apple: For the smaller number, I excluded the whole middle part. For the larger number, I added a the lower piece of the middle as well, going from 27cm² to 31cm² on my monitor. But I think there is more LLC still in the middle part, so my number may still be too optimistic for Apple.

So I'd say you should take the smaller number for Intel and compare with the larger number for Apple.

So:
4.33 mm² versus 5.01mm²
1x versus 1.16x
Theoretical difference: 1x versus 1.10x

Close enough. SRAM really isn't all that big now anymore.

Fun fact (or is it reality check?):

So you have 8Mbit in 4.33mm², so you have to divide 4.330.000µm² by 8.000.000, which gives 0.541µm² per SRAM. Intel's number? 0.0588µm² -- oh, damn, for a second there I just thought that I was spot on, but I'm off by an order of magnitude.

So yeah, why is the die area an order of magnitude more than it should theoretically be? This variation probably also means that my comparison is quite worthless, doesn't it?

 

[Sweepr]

Some Core i5-6300U vs A9 comparisons. Do note that most of these tests are single-thread so a similarly clocked Skylake-Y (Core m3, m5 & m7) should be pretty close.

Waiting for Surface Pro 4 Core m3, other Core m5/m7 devices and iPad Pro to get reviewed for a more proper comparison.

 

[nanaki333]

I just got me an i5-6500k for my arcade cabinet to upgrade my i5 2500k. It also acts as one of my spare gaming machines for guests. Been really lazy and haven't upgraded it yet, but can't wait to test it out! Emulation seems to be a big upgrade in these chips (most anything beyond Ivy too I guess though).

 

[Cali3350]

Very impatient to see what GT3e does on 15Watt chips for Skylake!

 

[Zodiark1593]

I just got me an i5-6500k for my arcade cabinet to upgrade my i5 2500k. It also acts as one of my spare gaming machines for guests. Been really lazy and haven't upgraded it yet, but can't wait to test it out! Emulation seems to be a big upgrade in these chips (most anything beyond Ivy too I guess though).

Emulation, particularly PS2 emulation, got a pretty huge boost with Haswell. Not sure why. Far as I know, emulation doesn't use AVX2 and other benchies put Haswell at ~10% above Ivy.

 

[Nothingness]

Emulation, particularly PS2 emulation, got a pretty huge boost with Haswell. Not sure why. Far as I know, emulation doesn't use AVX2 and other benchies put Haswell at ~10% above Ivy.

I got a similar experience on another JIT-based simulator. It might be due to better branch prediction.

 

[Zodiark1593]

I got a similar experience on another JIT-based simulator. It might be due to better branch prediction.

Makes sense. Emulation is probably among the worst-case scenarios for branch prediction. A more accurate branch predictor should also reduce power consumption. The emulation performance boost was probably just a side-effect.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Some Core i5-6300U vs A9 comparisons. Do note that most of these tests are single-thread so a similarly clocked Skylake-Y (Core m3, m5 & m7) should be pretty close.

Waiting for Surface Pro 4 Core m3, other Core m5/m7 devices and iPad Pro to get reviewed for a more proper comparison.

I have a Surface Pro 4 with Core m3. What tests would you like me to run?

 

[khon]

I have a Surface Pro 4 with Core m3. What tests would you like me to run?

Anything related to battery lifetime would be great. I have seen performance tests on m3, but nothing yet on power consumption.

 

[Sweepr]

Nice, saw your Geekbench submission by the way.
I'd like to see some of the usual stuff AnandTech tests: Cinebench 11.5, PCMark 8, WebXPRT 2015, Octane, 3DMark 11, GFXBench (T-Rex/Manhattan and/or Manhattan 3.1 Offscreen).