Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

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Phynaz

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Some people on this forum will write 15 posts about that $5 price difference. :\
 

Sweepr

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Sweepr said:
Good news.
ASRock will launch B150, H170 and C232 motherboards that support overclocking via BCLK @ locked Skylake CPUs. Just as I predicted, they are the first to enable non-Z170 BCLK overclocking.

Tom's Hardware.fr said:
According to the manufacturer, to overclock the processors Skylake via bus frequency (BCLK) on motherboards based on a chipset other than the Z170, some hardware modifications are necessary. ASRock did not want to go into details, but one of the amendments would unblock the control voltage applied to the CPU. Two models based on a chipset and a third H170 model equipped with a B150 and chipset are expected.


www.tomshardware.fr/articles/asrock-non-z170-chipset-overclock,1-58225.html#Lwr9RZHVIe4Lq0zd.99

Intel budget OCing is back (at least for now).

Phynaz said:
There's a faction on this forum that is going to be heartbroken by this news

I'm sure they will, because overclocking on a budget was an AMD selling point during the last few years. $50-100 LGA1151 motherboard + Core i3-6100/i5-6400 @ >4.5GHz will be tough to beat from a perf/$ POV. Remmember this is just the starting point, I wouldn't be surprised if other manufacturer launched non-Z170 overclockable boards from now on.


Now if they can get it working on H110, that would be a different story.

Cheapest ASRock B150 MB costs $59 right now at Newegg, close to the cheapest H110 options.
 
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MrTeal

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I'm sure they will, because overclocking on a budget was an AMD selling point during the last few years. $50-100 LGA1151 motherboard + Core i3-6100/i5-6400 @ >4.5GHz will be tough to beat from a perf/$ POV. Remmember this is just the starting point, I wouldn't be surprised if other manufacturer launched non-Z170 overclockable boards from now on.




Cheapest ASRock B150 MB costs $59 right now at Newegg, close to the cheapest H110 options.

Interesting, PCPartpicker isn't showing that one. Must be a new model. $60 isn't dirt cheap AM3 territory yet, but it's getting close. It'll be interesting to see if existing B150s can be made to work, or if it's just the four boards mentioned.
 

DrMrLordX

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$60 is cheap enough. No need to be sour over it, though . . . overclocking i3s has been a dream ever since the G3258 was announced. If they can get iGPUs working in conjunction with bclk overclocks, that'll be solid gold.
 

VirtualLarry

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$60 is cheap enough. No need to be sour over it, though . . . overclocking i3s has been a dream ever since the G3258 was announced. If they can get iGPUs working in conjunction with bclk overclocks, that'll be solid gold.

In theory, that should be possible. From what I understand, it's Intel's drivers that shut down the iGPU when a BCLK OC is detected, for whatever reason. If, instead, the clock speed for the iGPU was clocked DOWN, instead of simply shutting it off, it should be possible.

Edit: I wonder, does the Linux iGPU driver shut off, when using a BCLK OC? If that's not code under Intel's control, then I don't see why it would. Surely it should be possible, anyways, to leave it enabled in the Linux drivers.
 

DrMrLordX

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In theory, that should be possible. From what I understand, it's Intel's drivers that shut down the iGPU when a BCLK OC is detected, for whatever reason. If, instead, the clock speed for the iGPU was clocked DOWN, instead of simply shutting it off, it should be possible.

Edit: I wonder, does the Linux iGPU driver shut off, when using a BCLK OC? If that's not code under Intel's control, then I don't see why it would. Surely it should be possible, anyways, to leave it enabled in the Linux drivers.

Right, it's a driver issue. Unknown on the Linux drivers. I don't have a test platform to confirm it. It would make sense though . . .
 

Sweepr

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Beautiful, probably the last time I saw a white PCB motherboard was an old Sapphire socket AM2 model from the early AMD+ATI days.

Meet the ASUS Sabertooth Z170-S



A lot of us has been waiting for ASUS' White Knight to show up, to save us from this tide of standard Black and Red Z170 motherboards and provide us with something that is almost unique, yes there are other white boards out there, but not many of them are even close to looking this good.

What is strange about this Sabranco motherboard is that unlike previous generations it is not a simple carbon copy of the ASUS Z170 Sabertooth with a bit of white paint, this is an entirely different motherboard design from ASUS, designed to give us everything that Intel's Z170 platform can offer, but it is expected to come at a more reasonable price than previous Sabranco style motherboards...

www.overclock3d.net/articles/cpu_mainboard/meet_the_asus_sabertooth_z170-s/1


Z170 Classified K: New motherboard from EVGA Skylake



At the CES 2016 has EVGA introduces a new Skylake mainboard among others. It answers to the name "Z170 Classified K" and is therefore intended for desktop processors to the new generation of Intel-Skylake. With the normal EVGA Classified Z170 we already had the flagship of the series here in the newsroom. The newly introduced "Z170 Classified K" is not to be regarded as an extended model, but the other way around. Namely as a stripped-Z170 Classified...

www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/fotos...70-classified-k/evga-z170-classified-k-1.html


More about the Skull Canyon NUC:

We were hoping to cajole Intel into showing us anything related to the mini STX form factor we’ve been hearing about, but instead, we saw a 4 x 8-inch SFF PC that’s less than an inch thick. The chassis, which is close to being finalized, was a dark metallic gray, with slightly rounded-off edges...

...As we’ve seen from the likes of Razer, Thunderbolt 3 over USB-C should enable the system to use a non-proprietary external GPU dock (while receiving power from the dock itself).

Intel was tight-lipped about any plans for a GPU dock of its own, but from our pestering, we inferred that at the very least, it’s being discussed internally. Intel is positioning this PC as a gaming device -- or more fairly, a gaming PC -- and specifically, it could be a Steam Machine. (We were told that the Skull Canyon PC would not ship with Windows, so we’re just doing the speculative arithmetic here.)

www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-skull-canyon-gaming-pc-confirmed,30928.html
 
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PPB

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In theory, that should be possible. From what I understand, it's Intel's drivers that shut down the iGPU when a BCLK OC is detected, for whatever reason. If, instead, the clock speed for the iGPU was clocked DOWN, instead of simply shutting it off, it should be possible.

Edit: I wonder, does the Linux iGPU driver shut off, when using a BCLK OC? If that's not code under Intel's control, then I don't see why it would. Surely it should be possible, anyways, to leave it enabled in the Linux drivers.

Same crap that happens when you OC via FSB pin mod C2D mobile cpus on intel chipsets on windows. Your minimum FSB multiplier becomes locked and you are forced to run at x6 multi.

Guess they would refrain from stepping on the very same stone after all these years...
 

Fjodor2001

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$60 is cheap enough. No need to be sour over it, though . . . overclocking i3s has been a dream ever since the G3258 was announced. If they can get iGPUs working in conjunction with bclk overclocks, that'll be solid gold.

The only thing to worry about is that Intel may issue a microcode update plugging the "overclocking locked CPUs" loophole. Then the gold can quickly turn into sand (or at least copper, iron or whatever). :\

Let's hope someone writes SW blocking such a microcode update from being applied. Then I'd feel much safer about buying a rig that relies on this loophole.
 

Hugo Drax

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Skylake definitely runs cooler than ivy bridge (i7 6700)

I run the intel TS15A same on my 3770knon overclock setup, same case.

Trading/surfing.

27C vs 40C

Intelburntest 2 max runs 110.5gflops between 56-70c

Vs a solid 80-85c on the 3770k and 29% slower in the burntest



----------------------------
IntelBurnTest v2.54
Created by AgentGOD
----------------------------

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz
Clock Speed: 17.40 GHz
Active Physical Cores: 8
Total System Memory: 16319 MB

Stress Level: Maximum (14575 MB)
Testing started on 1/8/2016 12:18:32 PM
Time (s) Speed (GFlops) Result
[12:28:12] 483.053 110.8731 3.362054e-002
[12:37:45] 481.667 111.1921 3.362054e-002
Testing ended on 1/8/2016 12:37:46 PM
Test Result: Success.
----------------------------


----------------------------
IntelBurnTest v2.54
Created by AgentGOD
----------------------------

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz
Clock Speed: 3.54 GHz
Active Physical Cores: 8
Total System Memory: 8157 MB

Stress Level: Very High (4096 MB)
Testing started on 11/2/2015 5:18:10 PM
Time (s) Speed (GFlops) Result
[17:20:08] 90.428 85.2363 3.414758e-002
[17:22:05] 90.398 85.2645 3.414758e-002
Testing ended on 11/2/2015 5:22:06 PM
Test Result: Success.
----------------------------
 
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ShintaiDK

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Whats your max fanspeed set to on your TS15A? I run mine at ~1000rpm.

I have one more on the way for the old Haswell 4670. Will be interesting to see if the 6700K or 4670 runs cooler under prime95.
 

Hugo Drax

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Whats your max fanspeed set to on your TS15A? I run mine at ~1000rpm.

I have one more on the way for the old Haswell 4670. Will be interesting to see if the 6700K or 4670 runs cooler under prime95.

I have it in a node 304 case. the fan runs at 1000 normally and the chassis fan is running around 550

I have the mb set to quiet mode.
 

ShintaiDK

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Super

My chassis fan needs ~750 in the SG08B.

So the "soldered" 2600K runs much hotter than your 6700. Interesting. My 6700K peaks at ~75C with Prime95. All same cooler and speed.
 

RampantAndroid

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My chassis fan needs ~750 in the SG08B.

So the "soldered" 2600K runs much hotter than your 6700. Interesting. My 6700K peaks at ~75C with Prime95. All same cooler and speed.

Is it all that surprising really? It's a number of years older on 32nm with a bunch of work done to make the CPUs use less power. Even with a less efficient cooling solution, they were bound to make the CPUs run cooler...eventually.
 

Sweepr

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Kaby Lake PCI IDs:

Listed PCI IDs for the low-end Kabylake GT1 graphics are 0x5902, 0x5906, 0x590A, 0x590B, and 0x590E. Listed as "GT1.5" are 0x5913, 0x5915, and 0x5917. Marked as Kabylake GT2 are 0x5912, 0x5916, 0x591A, 0x591B, 0x591D, and 0x591E. There's also a "GT2F" part with a PCI ID of 0x5921. The Kabylake GT3 PCI IDs are 0x5926, 0x592A, and 0x592B. The highest-end Kabylake graphics PCI IDs are GT4 with 0x5932, 0x593A, 0x593B, and 0x593D.

www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Kabylake-IDs-Mesa


Is it all that surprising really? It's a number of years older on 32nm with a bunch of work done to make the CPUs use less power. Even with a less efficient cooling solution, they were bound to make the CPUs run cooler...eventually.

Well there is a general conception that post-SB Intel mainstream CPUs run hotter.
 
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ShintaiDK

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A fun fact.

6700K in lets call it "Ivy Bridge" mode. AVX2 and FMA disabled. Package power peaks at 43W for full load. With AVX2 and FMA enabled it peaks at 95W (Mobo default setting a tad over TDP).

Its very clear why only servers will get AVX512.
 

VirtualLarry

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Can someone try out these Skylake BETA iGPU drivers, and tell me if they work for you?

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/do...a-Graphics-Driver-for-Windows-7-8-1-10-15-40-

I got an immediate BSOD, after uninstalling 4300, rebooting, and installing these.

That's with the supposedly-good stick of Avexir 4GB DDR4-2400 @ 2133 installed.

So it seems that 4352 is not the only BSODing driver.

I'm starting to wonder if this motherboard, which features a VGA output, as well as DVI and HDMI, is NOT COMPATIBLE with Intel's stock drivers, because VGA is (officially, at least) unsupported on SKL.

Edit: I reverted to 4274 drivers from the Asus web site, and there's still image corruption on Newegg and elsewhere. (The problem is not limited to Newegg, but it seems the easiest way to trigger it.)

I upgraded my 4th Gen Core Haswell G1820 ITX rig with 2x8GB DDR3-1600 @ 1333 RAM, Win7 64-bit, to driver version 4332, and there's no corruption on Haswell.

So it seems like this issue is confined to SKL, but BOTH of my G4400 CPUs have the issue.

I guess I might just have to install Win10 on this rig just to test. Give me a few days for that.
 
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Skylake definitely runs cooler than ivy bridge (i7 6700)

I run the intel TS15A same on my 3770knon overclock setup, same case.

Trading/surfing.

27C vs 40C

Intelburntest 2 max runs 110.5gflops between 56-70c

Vs a solid 80-85c on the 3770k and 29% slower in the burntest



----------------------------
IntelBurnTest v2.54
Created by AgentGOD
----------------------------

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz
Clock Speed: 17.40 GHz
Active Physical Cores: 8
Total System Memory: 16319 MB

Stress Level: Maximum (14575 MB)
Testing started on 1/8/2016 12:18:32 PM
Time (s) Speed (GFlops) Result
[12:28:12] 483.053 110.8731 3.362054e-002
[12:37:45] 481.667 111.1921 3.362054e-002
Testing ended on 1/8/2016 12:37:46 PM
Test Result: Success.
----------------------------


----------------------------
IntelBurnTest v2.54
Created by AgentGOD
----------------------------

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz
Clock Speed: 3.54 GHz
Active Physical Cores: 8
Total System Memory: 8157 MB

Stress Level: Very High (4096 MB)
Testing started on 11/2/2015 5:18:10 PM
Time (s) Speed (GFlops) Result
[17:20:08] 90.428 85.2363 3.414758e-002
[17:22:05] 90.398 85.2645 3.414758e-002
Testing ended on 11/2/2015 5:22:06 PM
Test Result: Success.
----------------------------

Or you just got lucky in the Skylake silicon lottery.
 

Dufus

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At a clock speed of 17.4GHz very golden lol.

Seriously though with 4 cores at 3.7 you should be scoring somewhere near 200GFLOPS not ~110. Perhaps old Linpack library's

Same crap that happens when you OC via FSB pin mod C2D mobile cpus on intel chipsets on windows. Your minimum FSB multiplier becomes locked and you are forced to run at x6 multi.
Only did that if you didn't do the mod the right way.
 
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jpiniero

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Ooh, the 6700K is in stock at Newegg and Amazon! Only $419 at both places! Amazon doesn't typically do the price gouging like Newegg does though; so it still makes me wonder if there has been a stealth price hike from Intel to encourage people to buy the 4790K/5820K.

People are still buying though, which is pretty funny.
 

nerp

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Just built a Skylake box today. Picked up an i3-6100 and plopped it into an ASUS H170 Pro GAMING with 8GB plain Crucial DDR4 sticks. Not overclocking. With a Sandisk UltraII SSD the machine is very, very fast for me compared to what I was running before - mid-2010 iMac Core i3 (Clarkdale). I've been running Windows 10 in boot camp.

I'm now using the iMac in target display mode as a PC monitor and it's nice. I'm one of the lucky ones with an iMac that does not require the input displayport to include thunderbolt, so I can just go displayport to minidisplayport straight from the box.

I got the ASUS H170 board because I don't overclock and it included displayport. I intend on picking up a midrange graphics card at some point in the near future. I don't game much.

Very impressed overall. Total spend on this build was under $400. I used a PC Power and Cooling 500W PSU I had in storage. It once powered an E8400 system with an intel board when intel still sold branded motherboards. That motherboard died due to bulging capacitors and I ended up selling off all the parts except the PSU and case and switched to the iMac.

So happy to have a real PC again. Case is a Lian Li PC-A05B.
 

ShintaiDK

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Ooh, the 6700K is in stock at Newegg and Amazon! Only $419 at both places! Amazon doesn't typically do the price gouging like Newegg does though; so it still makes me wonder if there has been a stealth price hike from Intel to encourage people to buy the 4790K/5820K.

People are still buying though, which is pretty funny.

6700K sells for ~360$ here. 5820K sells for ~375$ and 4790K sells for ~320$.
 
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crashtech

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Has anyone heard of any successes or failures at OCing the plain i7-6700? It is $70 less than the "K."
 
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