Dont think anybody said that. Problem is (thanks intel) HEDT has inherently lower ipc because it is a generation behind,
False, the 5960x has been shown in this very thread to be capable of beating Skylake-S in a game even when the 5960x has a 500 MHz clockspeed deficit. It isn't going to happen all the time, but it can happen some of the time. That l3 makes a difference.
Having a Microcenter nearby, I have always gotten my CPUs from them, as they nearly always have the best regular prices, along with shorter term deal prices. There actually were some nice discounted deals on Haswell i7 CPUs, which I have not seen replicated so far with Skylake CPUs. For example, I got my i7-4770k CPU for $200. And my i7-4970k CPU for $280, but with free nice quality Z97 board. I've watched Skylake i7 CPU prices, and haven't seen anything close to those deals. Also for some reason, since introduction Microcenter has had the regular Skylake i7 at a higher price point compared to the prior Haswell and earlier i7s. Maybe Microcenter couldn't cut as good a deal with Intel this time around? In my experience, Skylake has been a bit of a disappointment in terms of cost, considering CPU cost, lack of deals found in prior gens, and cost of new gen ram required. At least DDR4 has gone down quite a bit in price from introduction, so having to buy new ram for Skylake is less painful.
True not to mention people who intend to overclock in future and not immediately could defer the cost.Yea, microcenter had some great deals on 4790k, not so much on skylake. Maybe after a few more months. The skylake prices are even worse since the k models come without a cooler, so you have to buy an aftermarket one even if you dont overclock.
Same argument could be made as to why would someone care about future proofing with that CPU? People who buy extreme enthusiast hardware care about the raw performance now and only now. They have enough money to get whatever is the latest and greatest in future. Extreme hardware is never justified for future proofing as you are always better off by upgrading more often with the same amount of money.Why would anyone want to run such a processor on air? lol Point still stands, most modern processors are topping out a little south of 5GHz without sub ambient cooling. Don't act like Skylake clocks to the moon and the 5960X is stuck at a TDP limited 3GHz.
I said it has higher ipc.
But if Skylake-S (or K) loses to Haswell-E in any ST or <= 4 thread scenario, then even that statement is untrue. You can't say Skylake-S/K has higher IPC since cache is a part of the final implementation of the processor, and as such must be taken to be a part of the architecture's capabilities as tested.
Also I think "fast" DDR4 - meaning DDR4-4000 or higher - might even things up between Skylake-S/K and Haswell-E, but I do not think it would tip the scales. In some scenarios, on a per-thread basis, Skylake-S/K is significantly behind Haswell-E.
On the mid-range and high-end cards, the power of the CPU makes more of an effect with AMD discrete cards than NVIDIA discrete cards, except with the AMD Athlon X4 845 in play. When using an AMD discrete card with a mid-range GPU, the X4 845 plays well enough with the i3 parts for its price, but falls away a bit more on the high-end AMD discrete GPU. With NVIDIA GPUs, the Athlon X4 845 sits at the bottom and the main challengers are the FX parts.
The Skylake Core i3 parts represent the best 'all-round' CPUs at their price. Choosing one for a system guarantees a good return in performance, and while it might not always be the best for specific applications, it's certainly near the top for almost everything. There were no circumstances where the Core i3-6100 is playing significant catchup to the other two, or that the lower cache was more of a hindrance. For ~$800 gaming builds that $30 difference between the i3-6100 and the i3-6320 could be spent elsewhere in the system. In our gaming tests the i3-6100 was only 2-4 FPS down (~5%).
Out of the three we've tested today, I would have to go for the Core i3-6100 as the processor of choice. For price and performance, the lower frequency and less cache only amounts to a 2-4% deficit at best compared to the next CPU up. The savings for 2-4% performance comes in at $30, or 20% cheaper, when we compare boxed versions.
Any chance Apple could skip Skylake-U and go for Kaby Lake-U in their next gen 13'' Macbook Pro?
Instead of halting support for Skylake-based Windows 7 and 8.1 in July 2018 -- which was earlier than the normal support cut-off date for Windows 7 and 8.1 on non-Skylake devices -- Microsoft is now going to support fully Skylake-based devices up until the end of the previously stated support cut-off dates.
For Windows 7, extended support ends on January 14, 2020. For Windows 8.1, extended support ends on January 10, 2023. (Extended support means the period during which users will get regular security updates from Microsoft for free.)
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The official word is: "This change is designed to help our customers purchase modern hardware with confidence, while continuing to manage their migrations to Windows 10."
Today's support cut-off changes do not affect devices that will use Intel's upcoming 7th generation Intel Core (Kabylake) and AMD's upcoming Bristol Ridge processors. Those devices, as previously announced, will require the latest release of Windows 10.
Intel® Core™ i7 7500U Processor
Intel® Core™ i5 7200U Processor
Intel® Core™ i3-7100U 2.40-GHz processor (2133- MHz FSB, 3.0-MB L3 cache, dual core, 15-W)
Intel Pentium™ N4200 1.1- GHz (turbo up to 2.5-GHz) processor (1866-MHz FSB, 2.0-MB L2 cache, quad core, 6-W) ● Intel Celeron™ N3350 1.1- GHz (turbo up to 2.4-GHz) processor (1866-MHz FSB, 2.0-MB L2 cache, dual core, 6-W)
My computer is dying at this point. Is it worth waiting for Kaby Lake or should I just hop on a i5 6600k?
My computer is dying at this point. Is it worth waiting for Kaby Lake or should I just hop on a i5 6600k?
No Man's Sky CPU Test
Any modern i5 has no problem maxing out the game with a GTX 1080. Haswell i3 ahead of most FX chips.
Ashes of the Singularity - Benchmark
Intel HD Graphics 630 (Genuine Intel CPU @ 3.70GHz 4core/8thread)
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/9bd7f95b-76f6-4238-ba66-963246474fb6
Intel Iris Graphics 640 (Genuine Intel CPU @ 1.80GHz 2core/4thread)
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/ff05e8d1-1b6d-4d0a-8ced-214ac1b97fd1
Intel Iris Graphics 650 (Genuine Intel CPU @ 3.50GHz 2core/4thread)
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.co...-details/9f473e59-4b97-4b8a-83da-439c809e51db