Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[DrMrLordX]

Hmm, Krzanich took over in 2013 . . . Otellini was out in Nov 2012. I guess Otellini might have still had influence over stuff coming out as recently as this year?

 

[jpiniero]

BTW, the new 15" rMBP does not have Skylake 4+4e. It's just 4+2 (base comes with 6700HQ, upgraded 6820HQ and both have the option of the 6920HQ). The 13" does come with Skylake-U 2+3e though.

You do get a dGPU standard now however on the 15".

 

[Arachnotronic]

BTW, the new 15" rMBP does not have Skylake 4+4e. It's just 4+2 (base comes with 6700HQ, upgraded 6820HQ and both have the option of the 6920HQ). The 13" does come with Skylake-U 2+3e though.

You do get a dGPU standard now however on the 15".

Intel literally didn't get a single notebook design win for SKL Iris Pro. No wonder that SKU was axed in favor of a 6+2 chip (probably because the gaming notebook OEMs will actually use it).

 

[IntelUser2000]

Intel literally didn't get a single notebook design win for SKL Iris Pro. No wonder that SKU was axed in favor of a 6+2 chip (probably because the gaming notebook OEMs will actually use it).

An uncompetitive, overpriced product will do that to ya. Ever since the first Iris Pro they made stupid financial decisions. The discrete graphics had comparable perf/$, far far better drivers, and even on battery life it was pretty much equivalent. Core i3 + Iris Pro that cost extra $60 would have worked.

 

[witeken]

An uncompetitive, overpriced product will do that to ya. Ever since the first Iris Pro they made stupid financial decisions. The discrete graphics had comparable perf/$, far far better drivers, and even on battery life it was pretty much equivalent. Core i3 + Iris Pro that cost extra $60 would have worked.

At least Intel has the credit of actually causing the discrete graphics to improve so substantially because Intel IGPs made the low-end dGPU laptop/desktop market obsolete.

 

[Arachnotronic]

An uncompetitive, overpriced product will do that to ya. Ever since the first Iris Pro they made stupid financial decisions. The discrete graphics had comparable perf/$, far far better drivers, and even on battery life it was pretty much equivalent. Core i3 + Iris Pro that cost extra $60 would have worked.

Are you privy to what Intel charged major OEMs for the Iris Pro SKUs? Intel processor price list is pure fantasy designed to allow OEMs to charge a ton extra for higher SKU options

Anyway, a discrete GPU will generally be better than anything integrated if you have the power/space budget for it. Not surprised that Iris Pro is history while Iris still lives.

 

[Dave2150]

At least Intel has the credit of actually causing the discrete graphics to improve so substantially because Intel IGPs made the low-end dGPU laptop/desktop market obsolete.

I don't think Intel's IGPU's had anything to do with NVIDIA's 10 series performance increases..... They were just stuck on 28nm for too long. Had 14/16nm fabrication been available a year ago we wouldn't have seen the 9 series (Maxwell) for so long.

Pretty sad that I can't include AMD in the last sentence, since the 4GB Fury X (980 equivalent) is still their top card on offer. Still no sign of Vega, I imagine that NVIDIA's 11 series will be launched by the time we see it. Sad times.

 

[mohit9206]

Just saw some benchmarks of kaby lake mobile cpu and what surprised me was how weak the HD graphics 620 really is. Wasn't kaby Lake supposed to bring big improvement to igpu performance? With a 3DMark11 score of P1600 its about the same as a gt730 ddr3 which is garbage.
Witcher 3, Hitman and ROTR all fail to break 20fps even on the lowest settings.
Is this because its a mobile chip? Even the Skylake desktop hd530 has the same performance as mobile hd620.
Even a 960m (P5300) which is an underclocked 750ti is over 3 times faster. I thought intel was trying to significantly improve their Intergreted graphics.

 

[wingman04]

Just saw some benchmarks of kaby lake mobile cpu and what surprised me was how weak the HD graphics 620 really is. Wasn't kaby Lake supposed to bring big improvement to igpu performance? With a 3DMark11 score of P1600 its about the same as a gt730 ddr3 which is garbage.
Witcher 3, Hitman and ROTR all fail to break 20fps even on the lowest settings.
Is this because its a mobile chip? Even the Skylake desktop hd530 has the same performance as mobile hd620.
Even a 960m (P5300) which is an underclocked 750ti is over 3 times faster. I thought intel was trying to significantly improve their Intergreted graphics.

There is not enough room the CPU Die for a full graphics processing unit like a dedicated GPU, It's all about real estate.

 

[jpiniero]

There is not enough room the CPU Die for a full graphics processing unit like a dedicated GPU, It's all about real estate.

That's not really true. Skylake 4+2 is about 122 mm2. Skylake 4+4e is about 234. GP107 is 135 mm2. You do the math.

It's really a power consumption and/or bandwidth issue that's holding them back. Intel's GPUs of course also have the huge driver problems.

 

[mikk]

Die size is also an issue, at least for Intel. they don't invest much for the bulk of the chips in GPU. GT2 is only 40mm² big.

 

[Ajay]

I would imagine that problematic yields had something to do with Intel not boosting the performance of the Skylake GPUs. Intel's drivers are way better than they used to be, but still poor compared to AMD & NV. iGPU has just become check list item for most OEMs and customers as well.

 

[Sweepr]

Core i7-7700K Listed in Netherlands

Expected stock date:
Saturday, November 12, 2016

www.centralpoint.nl/processors/intel/core-i7-7700k-4200-1151-box-art-bx80677i77700k-num-6683489

Posted 13:00h Eastern Time (ET) - before the copycat websites reading this thread.


Core i7-7700K PassMark Score

Average CPU Mark: 12945

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-7700K+@+4.20GHz


Beebox-S Series now comes with Kaby Lake

1. 
   
   
   • Powered by the Intel® 7th Generation Intel® Core Processors
   • Support DDR4 2133 MHz, 2 x SO-DIMM slots, Max. 32GB
   • Hyper speed WiFi 802.11ac, also works as a wireless access point
   • Supports two storage devices for added flexibility (1 x 2.5" SATA3 HDD + 1 x M.2)
   • Supports Dual Monitor (2 x HDMI or HDMI+DisplayPort)
   • Smooth and ultra high resolution 4K/2K/60Hz playback
   • The world's first NUC paired with an USB 3.1 Gen2 Type-C port
   • A free bundled remote controller for controlling your PC wirelessly
   • Offers rich features in a tiny 0.6L package

http://www.asrock.com/nettop/Intel/Beebox-S Series (Kaby Lake)

 

[wingman04]

That's not really true. Skylake 4+2 is about 122 mm2. Skylake 4+4e is about 234. GP107 is 135 mm2. You do the math.

It's really a power consumption and/or bandwidth issue that's holding them back. Intel's GPUs of course also have the huge driver problems.

257mm2

Power is not a issue, Intel is Gating transistors that are not being used. Bandwidth is a design factor of the of a GPU, also CPU together. The IGPU a shorter distance to the CPU, so that is much better for speed.

 

[mikk]

Core i7-7700K Listed in Netherlands

First delivery in mid November apparently, they arent' allowed to sell it though. It is obvious Intel could easily launch desktop Kabylake this year if they wanted.

 

[Arachnotronic]

First delivery in mid November apparently, they arent' allowed to sell it though. It is obvious Intel could easily launch desktop Kabylake this year if they wanted.

Yep, looks like it. Might as well let distributors clear out z170/Skylake inventories before putting out Kaby, I suppose.

 

[Drazick]

What I feel CPU's need, above all, is more Memory Bandwidth.
More bandwidth is needed to take advantage of the vector units and the GPU (As Vectorization computation unit).

I hope next generation will have triple channel memory with higher speed (Higher speeds are clearly available on market).

I hope the E family will get 6 channels memory controller or maybe eDRAM.

This is what Intel should be doing with eDRAM, no only make it part of Iris Pro, but as a way to overcome the memory bandwidth limitation CPU's have.

So many operation in Data Science / Signal Processing are now Memory Limited that this will be a great thing to do.

 

[RichUK]

So when is the 7700k being released then? I am patiently waiting to build a new PC, but want to play BF1 now (current rig is Q6600 with 3GB RAM!!!)

 

[lolfail9001]

What I feel CPU's need, above all, is more Memory Bandwidth.
More bandwidth is needed to take advantage of the vector units and the GPU (As Vectorization computation unit).

I hope next generation will have triple channel memory with higher speed (Higher speeds are clearly available on market).

I hope the E family will get 6 channels memory controller or maybe eDRAM.

This is what Intel should be doing with eDRAM, no only make it part of Iris Pro, but as a way to overcome the memory bandwidth limitation CPU's have.

So many operation in Data Science / Signal Processing are now Memory Limited that this will be a great thing to do.

Yeah, that's why for SKL-X Intel goes with 6 channel. It is well proven that for BDW-E and the like memory bandwidth did not matter, though.
And of course there is no point in triple channel on mainstream platform.

 

[Dave2150]

So when is the 7700k being released then? I am patiently waiting to build a new PC, but want to play BF1 now (current rig is Q6600 with 3GB RAM!!!)

February. Unless you plan on overclocking to the max, just get the 6700k now and enjoy it.

 

[mikk]

February. Unless you plan on overclocking to the max, just get the 6700k now and enjoy it.

From where did you get February? Around CES early January most likely.

 

[Sweepr]

Launch date is January 5th, 2017.

I've seen people with retail chips already, so Intel definitely could launch it this year if they wanted to.

 

[crashtech]

I recall supply problems early on with Skylake in my corner of the world, so saying February is a safer bet for wide availability of Kaby Lake.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I recall supply problems early on with Skylake in my corner of the world, so saying February is a safer bet for wide availability of Kaby Lake.

14nm yields were garbage when the 6700k launched. They're in good shape today.

Expect a hard launch with solid availability for 7700k.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Anybody got an extra 3K laying around?? If so here is the latest surface product coming out soon. surface studio .