Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

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VirtualLarry

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With all of the Kaby Lake laptops showing up with U-series CPUs, combined with the fact that Intel seems to want to kill off Atom, combined with the fact that KBL desktop Pentium CPUs, at least one of them, have HyperThreading - will there be a KBL U-series Pentium, with HT? In an inexpensive low-end laptop?

Edit: Don't know about KBL U Pentiums, but this laptop looks sweet for a budget laptop:
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-i3-7100U-Windows-E5-575-33BM/product-reviews/B01K1IO3QW
 
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With all of the Kaby Lake laptops showing up with U-series CPUs, combined with the fact that Intel seems to want to kill off Atom, combined with the fact that KBL desktop Pentium CPUs, at least one of them, have HyperThreading - will there be a KBL U-series Pentium, with HT? In an inexpensive low-end laptop?

Edit: Don't know about KBL U Pentiums, but this laptop looks sweet for a budget laptop:
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-i3-7100U-Windows-E5-575-33BM/product-reviews/B01K1IO3QW

Intel doesn't want to kill Atom, it's the opposite. They are moving as much of the Pentium/Celeron parts to Atom as possible, since those products have better cost structure than Core chips.
 

dark zero

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Intel doesn't want to kill Atom, it's the opposite. They are moving as much of the Pentium/Celeron parts to Atom as possible, since those products have better cost structure than Core chips.
That would be the stupidest move from Intel since it would kill for real the names of Celeron and Pentium... if Netburst wasn't enough for Pentium...
 

lolfail9001

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That would be the stupidest move from Intel since it would kill for real the names of Celeron and Pentium... if Netburst wasn't enough for Pentium...
I mean, "would be" is the stupid part here, since Intel been doing that last few gens already. All them N prefix Pentiums, you know.
 

Justinbaileyman

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I mean, "would be" is the stupid part here, since Intel been doing that last few gens already. All them N prefix Pentiums, you know.

Got my new stuff in today - i7 6700k, Asus Z170s Sabertooth, and Crucial Ballistix DDR4 2400.
Just got done putting it all together and it works perfectly so far no problems at all. So now I'm installing O/S's Windows 10 and hopefully Ubuntu 16.10 after thats finished.Anyways I just wanted to make sure I will be able drop in a 7700k with just a bios update when released is this correct? Because now I cant seem to find anything saying this motherboard is going to be compatible come Kabylake time and I really dont want to part with this motherboard cause I am really liking it alot so far.
 
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RichUK

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Got my new stuff in today - i7 6700k, Asus Z170s Sabertooth, and Crucial Ballistix DDR4 2400.
Just got done putting it all together and it works perfectly so far no problems at all. So now I'm installing O/S's Windows 10 and hopefully Ubuntu 16.10 after thats finished.Anyways I just wanted to make sure I will be able drop in a 7700k with just a bios update when released is this correct? Because now I cant seem to find anything saying this motherboard is going to be compatible come Kabylake time and I really dont want to part with this motherboard cause I am really liking it alot so far.

DDR4 2400 - should have gone for at least 3000 / 3200.
 

Justinbaileyman

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It was on sale at the time and I couldn't pass it up besides I will probably go DDR4 4000 when Kaby 7700k Hits and bypass 3200 all together.
 

moonbogg

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Sky-X 6 core only gets 28 lanes? That's some low end crap right there IMO. A HEDT 6 core chip should get the full feature set. I guess 6 cores is the new cut down entry level for HEDT, with only the kaby quad being lower. Looks like the 8 core Sky-x is the one to get and no way will that one only get 28 lanes.
Seriously, with Mgpu and new PCI-E based SSDs and sound cards and all that, who the hell thinks 28 lanes is enough for a HEDT hex core chip? Jesus man that's disgusting.
Also, as has already been said, by the time these things come out they will have 2 year old cores in them. That's ridiculous and really takes away a lot of the shine from a "new" CPU. I guess it will still be the fastest and best thing out though, so I guess it just is what it is. Not like I'll be depressed with the equivalent of TWO 6700k's in my rig though, lol. I mean am I right or am I damn well right?
 

Sweepr

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BIOSTAR adds Kaby Lake-S Support

www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/support/cpu_support.php?S_ID=23

The base clock for i5-7400 is 3.0 GHz, far more capable than current i5-6400. Still, for a few extra bucks we get +400 MHz in the form of i5-7500.


Non-K Overclocking with ASRock B150M Pro4-Hyper

“Am surprised with how well the i3 performs compared to the 6700k. In most games i hardly notice a difference. Much much higher average than my previous Phenom II x4 940. In really CPU bound games like City Skylines there is a massive drop compared to the 6700k as the extra core/threads really help. One thing to note is when overclocking,Ii could only get a stable 4.6ghz by pushing the CPU to a 1.52vcore which is the limit of the Asrock board. So sadly I will not be able to get any higher but 1.52v is already waaay more voltage than anyone realistically should push through the core.”

YouTuber Rs2007GOD posted an interesting non-K overclocking guide, using an ASRrock B150-based motherboard. Intel low-end overclocking lives.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6mkkU7yIjU&feature=youtu.be


Supermicro Z270/H270 Motherboards








http://imgur.com/a/1TeH6



 

witeken

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Here's a crazy idea I just had: Intel who's always complaining about nodes not all created equal , should just plain abandon the node name nanometer scheme. Then people wouldn't be able to compare node names and conclude Intel is behind (because others have more aggressive marketing , in fact ), because there's no node name to compare to!
 
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jelome1989

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It was on sale at the time and I couldn't pass it up besides I will probably go DDR4 4000 when Kaby 7700k Hits and bypass 3200 all together.
I'm planning to do the same. However, after researching a bit, I've been told that advertised XMP profiles are pretty much hit or miss and will not work 100% of the time. Do you think it's worth the risk paying the hefty premium of DDR4 4000?
 

VirtualLarry

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Do you think it's worth the risk paying the hefty premium of DDR4 4000?
Yeah, depends on premium. If it's only a few bucks (to me, $20 is a "few bucks") over 3000/3200, then sure. More than that? Personally, I wouldn't bother. Skylake scales with memory pretty well, but to a point. I worry about the CPU's memory-controller stability at extreme frequencies like DDR4-4000. 3000/3200 is probably a reasonable compromise, I think.

Edit: Another possibility is, if you plan on putting only two sticks in, or plan on putting in all four? I don't think 4000 with four sticks would really be that stable. You might be limited to only two sticks at 4000, or maybe four sticks at 3200. So it would come down to whether you really needed the greater amount of RAM possible or not. Generally-speaking, more RAM is better than simply faster RAM.
 
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imported_ats

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I'm planning to do the same. However, after researching a bit, I've been told that advertised XMP profiles are pretty much hit or miss and will not work 100% of the time. Do you think it's worth the risk paying the hefty premium of DDR4 4000?

In almost all cases, you are better off paying for latency and not for bandwidth.
 

Sweepr

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Dishonored 2 CPU Benchmarks - GameGPU



Not particularly demanding - anything above a i5-2500K (95W) from 2011 at stock or a FX-9590 (220W - 2014) can max it out with a GTX 1080.
 

Sweepr

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Big news guys, after the Pentium Anniversary Edition, Intel is now planning an unlocked Core i3! It belongs to the Kaby Lase-S family and it's clocked at 4.2 GHz.

Google Translate said:
To commemorate the 20th anniversary of the previous Intel Pentium, Pentium not locked will launch a special edition G3258, for overclocking bring a little new life, and now, according to disclose celebrities, Intel also introduced the Core i3 processor is not locked, it may be in the new generation Kaby Lake above.



But on Fengyun K Edition Core i3 processor is not locked and no other information, only know the default clock will reach 4.2GHz, do not know because Kaby Lake is not much of a surprise launch sales strategy?After all, Kaby Lake is only Skylake the clock upgrade version, 200 series chipsets are no bright spots.

www.coolaler.com/content.php/7034
 
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Big news guys, after the Pentium Anniversary Edition, Intel is now planning an unlocked Core i3! It belongs to the Kaby Lase-S family and it's clocked at 4.2 GHz.



www.coolaler.com/content.php/7034

This is what competition brings. It doesn't affect CPU core design (since Intel does the best it can anyway, despite what some like to insinuate), but it does lead to interesting SKUs like this one.

HT on Pentium, unlocked i3...awesome. These will be great cheap gaming chips and will serve as something of a "gateway drug" for people to put in unlocked quads down the line.
 

VirtualLarry

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Unlocked i3... 'bout time!

Maybe I'll buy a couple of those (4.2Ghz base clock, Mmm), and flash the BIOS on my Z170 Pro4S to a Kaby Lake-compatible BIOS, and thus lose the original BCLK OC / "SKY OC" feature.
 

TheELF

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Hm,I don't know,easy OC on sky was ~4,4Ghz logic dictates that for kaby it will be +200Mhz making it 4,6Ghz,doesn't seem to be worth the extra cost and hassle if it's gonna be 4,2 to start with.
I know there are reports of ~5Ghz on air for kaby but I doubt that's gonna be easily achievable on every chip, especially if we are talking budged builds.
 

LTC8K6

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The unlocked i3 story seems sketchy to me, but I'm all for it.

it sounds more like the i3 has turbo and the turbo multi is where 4.2 comes from.
 

LTC8K6

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Hm,I don't know,easy OC on sky was ~4,4Ghz logic dictates that for kaby it will be +200Mhz making it 4,6Ghz,doesn't seem to be worth the extra cost and hassle if it's gonna be 4,2 to start with.
I know there are reports of ~5Ghz on air for kaby but I doubt that's gonna be easily achievable on every chip, especially if we are talking budged builds.
Yes, we already know about the 4.0ghz i3-7300, so it would then be a 4.2ghz i3-7300K I guess? Which then overclocks a little?
 
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