Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[Sweepr]

Intel talks about Cannon Lake, Core generations, server getting first dibs on architectural upgrades, annual performance uplift target

Whether Cannonlake shipments will happen before or after Christmas is hard to predict, Venkata Renduchintala, president of Intel's PC, IoT, and chip design businesses, said earlier this week at an Intel manufacturing event.

"In terms of first shipments, whether it's before the end of the year, or just after the beginning of [next] year, it's too close to call," Renduchintala said.

Intel will still deliver Cannonlake to PC makers within an appropriate timeframe, and there is no "perturbation in launch trends," Renduchintala said.

We can probably expect Cannon Lake based product announcements at CES 2018 and launch shortly after.

The branding of Cannonlake chips hasn't been finalized. But they won't be part of the 8th Generation chip lineup, and will have a separate branding, Intel has said. That could create confusion among PC buyers.

In the past, Intel has first upgraded PC chips to new architectures. But as the PC market flattens and the server market grows, Intel is switching priorities and giving server chips first dibs on architectural upgrades. Cannonlake could be the first step in that transition.

Now this is interesting. Not only Cannon Lake gets separate branding (so only Kaby Lake Refresh and Coffee Lake are Core 8th Gen) but they mention server chips getting architectural upgrades first. We already know server Skylake has a new cache structure and AVX-512 support compared to client Skylake, but are there other differences? And what about future products, can we expect two completely different cores?

Intel executives were telling media and analysts at the event to separate Core chips from the manufacturing process, which remains an important factor in advancing performance in processors.

"I don't necessarily think our Core generations are going to be synchronized necessarily with process node evolutions that may happen or may not happen," Renduchintala said.

... As a result, the company is extending the life of each manufacturing process, with tweaks to cram more transistors and squeeze more performance out of chips. Intel has a goal of delivering a minimum of 15 percent improvement in chip performance on an annual basis.

www.infoworld.com/article/3186781/processors/intels-cannonlake-pc-chip-shipments-may-slip-into-next-year.html#tk.rss_news

 

[mikk]

Q1 is more likely for Cannonlake imho, they should call it 9th Gen.

Intel is switching priorities and giving server chips first dibs on architectural upgrades.

It sounds like the Skylake SP cache structure comes for Intels Icelake mainstream part.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Q1 is more likely for Cannonlake imho, they should call it 9th Gen.

Cannon Lake is basically EOY 2017 for shipments to OEMs, 1H 2018 for actual availability.

I don't think they will call it 9th gen Core, because it's not the true 9th gen Core processor family. I think it will get a separate naming scheme, similar to what Intel did with "Core m" and the "Y" series parts before.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Intel has a goal of delivering a minimum of 15 percent improvement in chip performance on an annual basis.

Hmm, don't know if I believe that or not. Especially considering the extremely-limited improvements from process technology these days.

Has Intel EVER delivered 15% performance uplift, between ANY of their "Core" generations?

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Sure, if you count running at stock in mobile CPUs, where I admit they've made very nice leaps eg. the mobile Haswell was a nice step up from say a mobile Sandy.

 

[mikk]

Cannon Lake is basically EOY 2017 for shipments to OEMs, 1H 2018 for actual availability.

I don't think they will call it 9th gen Core, because it's not the true 9th gen Core processor family. I think it will get a separate naming scheme, similar to what Intel did with "Core m" and the "Y" series parts before.

Not a true 9th gen? What do you mean? Because it is targeted for 15W and below only? If we go with Intels rule every tick and tock is a new generation. Even KBL-R is labeled as new Core, which isn't by Intels old definition. Even with Core M it was a new generation, check the first digit of Broadwell SKUs: https://ark.intel.com/products/family/94028/5th-Generation-Intel-Core-M-Processors

 

[Arachnotronic]

Not a true 9th gen? What do you mean? Because it is targeted for 15W and below only? If we go with Intels rule every tick and tock is a new generation. Even KBL-R is labeled as new Core, which isn't by Intels old definition. Even with Core M it was a new generation, check the first digit of Broadwell SKUs: https://ark.intel.com/products/family/94028/5th-Generation-Intel-Core-M-Processors

I think CNL-U (if it launches) and CNL-Y will basically be some special low-power product line, separate from the mainstream Core family. Ice Lake should be 9th gen Core family.

 

[mikk]

This would also require a completely new SKU naming scheme which is highly doubtful. Icelake is Intels 10th IA Gen Core according to a linkedin profile.

 

[Arachnotronic]

This would also require a completely new SKU naming scheme which is highly doubtful. Icelake is Intels 10th IA Gen Core according to a linkedin profile.

We'll see, I'm looking forward to seeing how Intel handles the branding/SKU positioning!

 

[Ajay]

Ashraf Eassa on CNL:

Cannon Lake Client still has just 256KB of L2$. With 2.7x the xtor density, you'd think Intel would spring for a little more

https://twitter.com/TMFChipFool/status/848009895907557376


hmm, twitter embed doesn't work?

 

[jpiniero]

That's what makes it amazing; Cannonlake-U/Y should be friggin tiny and they still can't get it out in a timely fashion.

 

[Arachnotronic]

That's what makes it amazing; Cannonlake-U/Y should be friggin tiny and they still can't get it out in a timely fashion.

10nm is a mess.

 

[Ajay]

Intel has said at some point that the lessons they learned on 14nm would help with 10nm. Guessing those lessons weren't as helpful as they expected

 

[witeken]

10nm is only a mess if you think Intel has to deliver a 2.3-2.7x density improvement 2 years after 14nm.

 

[Lodix]

10nm is only a mess if you think Intel has to deliver a 2.3-2.7x density improvement 2 years after 14nm.

It is a mess because they don't deliver with their own schedules and marketing slides of actual mass production.

 

[Arachnotronic]

10nm is only a mess if you think Intel has to deliver a 2.3-2.7x density improvement 2 years after 14nm.

10nm is realistically not going to be shipping in mass quantities until 2H 2018. That's four years after 14nm.

 

[Ajay]

10nm is only a mess if you think Intel has to deliver a 2.3-2.7x density improvement 2 years after 14nm.

I thought that number looked high. I wondered if Intel had a high density low power node and that the first versions of CNL were designed to that PDK.

 

[RichUK]

Not sure if it's been confirmed, but what's the likelihood of 6 core on Z270?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Seems like odds are good that Z270 will support Coffeelake 6c/12t, but hey we don't know for sure.

 

[Ajay]

Do we even know if CoffeeLake will be be LGA1151?

 

[crashtech]

My bet is against that, the pace has definitely slowed, yet 3 gens per socket is so far unheard of and less profitable than a new socket.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Do we even know if CoffeeLake will be be LGA1151?

Isn't that too far away? I'd be happy with more sane Skylake-X pricing, or maybe even Threadripper.

 

[Ajay]

Isn't that too far away? I'd be happy with more sane Skylake-X pricing, or maybe even Threadripper.

Maybe, I thought basic info like socket type might be out there. As crashtech just pointed out - a new socket would generate more $$s for Intel and the whole Intel based consumer x86 supply chain.

I would like info on pricing for the products you mentioned. We have limited info on SKLX and even less on AMD X399 products.

 

[RichUK]

Also, is it known whether Skylake-X will be on 14nm or 14nm+?

 

[Sweepr]

BenchLife: More powerful GPU performance, Kaby Lake-G identified!

This is potentially a bomb, can someone help with the translation? A bit late for April Fools (April 3rd).

Intel and AMD's seventh-generation Core i series processors seem to be true.

Earlier, the Intel Core i series processors came with AMD Radeon GPUs, but most companies would not make any statements and responses to rumors that the network does not affect the price structure and the company's structure.

For this rumor, we have some recent news that it does exist.

The Intel 7th Generation Core processor is codenamed Kaby Lake, and it has Kaby Lake-Y, Kaby Lake-U, Kaby Lake-H, Kaby Lake-S and Kaby Lake-R, the most familiar of which is the desktop computer With the Kaby Lake-S series of products; in the recent receipt of the information, we see a code-named Kaby Lake-G products appear.

14nm process Kaby Lake-G is quite interesting, because the information is introduced in this way. "-G" means that this series of Kaby Lake processor package will be through the PCIe x8 channel, directly connected to a separate GPU chip, but also with HBM2 memory seal GPU chip.

Kaby Lake-G currently has 2 products, the exact model is unknown, but one of the TDP is 100W, while the other is 65W, are 4 core configuration; 2017 first quarter launched Kaby Lake-H series Processor, the clock 4.1GHz Intel Core i7-7920HQ TDP is 45W.

In addition, the Kaby Lake-G series processor package is larger than the current Kaby Lake-H (42 x 28mm) used by most Gaming laptops, with an actual package of 58.5 x 31mm. According to the package size mentioned in the information, Kaby Lake-G is likely to be a BGA package, which means it will be seen on the high-end Gaming laptop, but we do not have more information to confirm this.

https://benchlife.info/intel-kaby-lake-g-confirm-in-roadmap-with-14nm-04032017

Also, is it known whether Skylake-X will be on 14nm or 14nm+?

14nm+