Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[LTC8K6]

We don't actually have any idea what CL supports. We have one shaky leaked benchmark of a chip without HT.

 

[mikk]

Earlier leaks indicated DDR4-2400: https://benchlife.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/coffee-lake.jpg


That is not current anymore.

The second source I have says DDR4-2667 for 4/8 variants as well, so I'm not sure if it is for 6C only.

Core branding scheme might really differ from Kabylake, although I'm not sure how current it is given that Intel uses a Core i9 brand for SKL-X 6C. For CFL 6/12 (with 12 MB!) accordingly to that source it is branded as Core i7, 4/8 is Core i5, 4/4 Core i3, 2/4 Pentium, 2/2 Celeron. Not sure if this is current for CFL given that SKL-X 6C is Core i9.

Another slide:

 

[Sweepr]

Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing mikk. Confirms 4C/8T and 6C/12T CFL-S SKUs.

 

[formulav8]

Interesting stuff,

What's interesting stuff about a 4 core and 6 core mainstream setup for typicality's this day?

 

[jpiniero]

What's interesting stuff about a 4 core and 6 core mainstream setup for typicality's this day?

The mainstream setup doesn't even need 4 cores. 2 fast cores is all you need. WiFi AC is nice and I wonder about that modern standby it mentions.

 

[Sweepr]

What's interesting stuff about a 4 core and 6 core mainstream setup for typicality's this day?

There's plenty to be excited about a mainstream Skylake-based 6C/12T CPU on a refined 14nm++ proccess with 12MB L3 possibly replacing i7-7700K in 3 months, coupled with new chipsets. Well, maybe not for you.

 

[raghu78]

There's plenty to be excited about a mainstream Skylake-based 6C/12T CPU on a refined 14nm++ proccess with 12MB L3 possibly replacing i7-7700K in 3 months, coupled with new chipsets. Well, maybe not for you.

We have to wait and see what is Intel's pricing strategy. If 6C/12T CFL replaces 7700k at USD 350 its definitely very exciting. If the price goes up to USD 450-500 then not so much. I think if Intel prices mainstream CFL 6C/12T at USD 350 the 6C/12T Skylake HEDT chips are basically DOA as they are unlikely to be priced lower than USD 350. I expect CFL with 14nm++ to have a 12-15% clock speed advantage over HEDT Skylake 6C/12T chips at stock and max OC. I think eventually Intel will realize that HEDT chips and mainstream chips cannot have same core counts especially when the mainstream chips are built on a better performing process, are smaller in die size, have lesser die complexity (no AVX 512 and quad channel) and can clock much better.

 

[w3rd]

Yeah, but at what price?
6C/12T can already be had for a little over $200 bucks. Further more, Intel sells clocks and if it these HEDTs don't hit 4.5ghz.. there really is no point to their premium.

 

[jpiniero]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...an-laptop-upgrades-as-microsoft-enters-market

Fresh rumors that Apple will update their laptop lineup with Kaby Lake at their developer conference in 3 weeks. What's interesting there is that they still haven't updated any desktop in almost 18 months, guess that's kind of shows what's happened to the desktop market in general outside of gaming.

 

[formulav8]

There's plenty to be excited about a mainstream Skylake-based 6C/12T CPU on a refined 14nm++ proccess with 12MB L3 possibly replacing i7-7700K in 3 months, coupled with new chipsets. Well, maybe not for you

Your Intel marketing about 14++ means absolutely nothing to most no one. AMD will offer up to 16MB L3 on most of their their mainstream and could get higher on their cpu's. Does Intel? What is their L3? AMD seems to not segment like good ole typical Intel.

I asked you and you didn't tell me any real reasons/details about why many people's would be interested in about Intel's new setup with what I asked.

Also, what is the expected pricing for Intel? (If its known obviously).

 

[formulav8]

The mainstream setup doesn't even need 4 cores. 2 fast cores is all you need

Then you're in the wrong thread sir.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Yeah, but at what price?
6C/12T can already be had for a little over $200 bucks. Further more, Intel sells clocks and if it these HEDTs don't hit 4.5ghz.. there really is no point to their premium.

Don't worry about the Skylake-X clocks, the Turbo Boost 2.0 clocks tell you how they're going to clock and if you are genuinely hoping for high clock capabilities on Skylake-X, then I don't think you will be disappointed.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Your Intel marketing about 14++ means absolutely nothing to most no one.

It's not Sweepr's marketing, it's what Intel has said. And since we saw Kaby Lake's 14nm+ deliver real clock gains (both stock and OC), I would not be so quick to dismiss the claims. 14nm++ and hex-Skylake cores should be very potent, excellent gaming processors while also offering good productivity performance (due to 6 cores + very high frequency potential).

AMD will offer up to 16MB L3 on most of their their mainstream and could get higher on their cpu's. Does Intel? What is their L3? AMD seems to not segment like good ole typical Intel.

AMD does segment, just like Intel. Why do you think there are Ryzen 5 chips? Why do you think there are Ryzen 7 1700, 1700X, and 1800X? Also, L3$ size in a vacuum doesn't mean anything, customers don't buy L3$ size, they buy performance.

Based on what we know about 7700K, the 6C/12T CFL should deliver great performance, don't worry at all.

I asked you and you didn't tell me any real reasons/details about why many people's would be interested in about Intel's new setup with what I asked.

A lot of people are excited about Intel's new lineup, it's two more cores for mainstream on an even better 14nm process for higher clock potential. Great balance between multi-core performance and single-thread performance. It really seems like a great processor.

Also, what is the expected pricing for Intel? (If its known obviously).

Pricing is not publicly known.

 

[formulav8]

It's not Sweepr's marketing, it's what Intel has said.

It's still marketing by Intel. I plainly said that buddy.

 

[Arachnotronic]

It's still marketing by Intel. I plainly said that buddy.

So you don't think 14nm++ will deliver any worthwhile improvement?

 

[formulav8]

AMD does segment, just like Intel. Why do you think there are Ryzen 5 chips? Why do you think there are Ryzen 7 1700, 1700X, and 1800X?

Ryzen 5 to 7 is binning, not artificial banning.

Usually segmenting is reducing features/availability because of your CPU when it comes to Intel's way of doing things.

What feature has AMD done a ban on with the Ryzen 5 to 7 besides the obvious binning?

What features has Intel banned from Celeron/Pentium/Core onward?

 

[jpiniero]

So you don't think 14nm++ will deliver any worthwhile improvement?

At the very high end, I would not expect much. Maybe it will clock to 4.8,4.9 a little better than Kaby.

 

[formulav8]

So you don't think 14nm++ will deliver any worthwhile improvement?

A lot of talk, but nothing to show outright by Intel that I recall. Hopefully it will push things forward. That would be a good thing by everyone.

 

[Shivansps]

Ryzen 5 to 7 is binning, not artificial banning.

Usually segmenting is reducing features/availability because of your CPU when it comes to Intel's way of doing things.

What feature has AMD done a ban on with the Ryzen 5 to 7 besides the obvious binning?

What features has Intel banned from Celeron/Pentium/Core onward?

AMD did it on last gen, memclock support for example was artificialy cut on low end. Actually i should say current gen as APU havent been replaced yet.
Also A320 chipset cant overclock thats segmentation right there.


And sorry i prefer Intel way of cutting stuff out of pentiums than selling am1.

Also stop comparing cache sizes of AMD and Intel that is just silly, thats not how it works.

 

[formulav8]

should deliver great performance, don't worry at all.

First of all, I didn't decide my a performance level. Either way, you still didn't answer the original question.. Remember sire 14nm+++ doesn't mean much to most

Edit: isp crashed. Wow, major pluses even..

stop comparing cache sizes of AMD and Intel that is just silly, thats not how it works.

Wasn't I that started it. Also, if you prefer Intel's new XPoint only being on the I series of cpu's that's your desire. An obvious Intel artificial limitation.

 

[Arachnotronic]

A lot of talk, but nothing to show outright by Intel that I recall. Hopefully it will push things forward. That would be a good thing by everyone.

Just look at the 7700K vs 6700K. Stock clocks, max OC frequency.

 

[formulav8]

Just look at the 7700K vs 6700K. Stock clocks, max OC frequency.

If that is the best then so be it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm just guessing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the price of the i7 6C/12T CPU rise above traditional pricing tiers.

I'm going to guess $500, but maybe Intel will have a change of heart and only make the 6C $400.

 

[formulav8]

but maybe Intel will have a change of heart and only make the 6C $400

For many peoples that's hopefully the area. AMD, I guess likely they should make sure it doesn't go beyond a certain area.

But even Intel wise, my wifey will not want an expensive cpu upgrade setup for her games. She games more than me for sure. It's aso an Intel based system she has. I have no problem moving her setup to the other side if it betters her/us.

 

[Shivansps]

I'm just guessing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the price of the i7 6C/12T CPU rise above traditional pricing tiers.

I'm going to guess $500, but maybe Intel will have a change of heart and only make the 6C $400.

With the 1800x pushing mainstream price roof to $500 everything is posible.

Still all depends on HEDT, 7800 should be reeplacing 6800k at 400. I dont see how a expensive mainstream 6c whould work under that scenario.