I corrected the statement. In other news, AVX-512 kernels were added to x264 a few days ago, but I wouldn't expect any miracles.
Hmm, I don't know. Jayz2Cents had a live-streaming demo running a Ryzen 1800X, said it worked out pretty well, running (I think Ghost Recon: Wildlands?), streaming at 1080P60 / 10Mbit/sec.
Seems like a pretty capable chip to me.
But if the 12C/24C Skylake-X can beat it in performance, do you think many 'Tubers will switch up? Even if it's twice or thrice the price?
Depends,Hmm, I don't know. Jayz2Cents had a live-streaming demo running a Ryzen 1800X, said it worked out pretty well, running (I think Ghost Recon: Wildlands?), streaming at 1080P60 / 10Mbit/sec.
Seems like a pretty capable chip to me.
But if the 12C/24C Skylake-X can beat it in performance, do you think many 'Tubers will switch up? Even if it's twice or thrice the price?
x264 is not getting faster any time soon. I downloaded a recent build of x264 from VideoHelp and ran some tests on a Haswell processor. All encodes are at 1080p.Still that could be the most interesting part here... Youtubers always looks for the best price/perf for software encoding, thats Ryzen 1700 today, but even the 1700 has a very hard time doing proper game recording, its OK for streaming but not for 1080P/60fps with better quality than hardware encoders.
BD-E 10C is over 3X the price of 1800X. Are you talking about encoding? Because the 1800X can keep up with the 6950X in that even with fewer cores.Broadwell-E 10C already beats Ryzen 1800X, SKL-X is a different class. I expect that CFL 6C is enough to beat Ryzen 1800X. Even if it has the upper hand in some MT tests here and there, CFL 6C is a much better allrounder if it clocks high enough. Even KBL 4C is close to Ryzen 1800X in most reviews.
Video encoders don't scale very well with multi-threading, due to all the data dependencies. x264 and x265 both show sub-linear scaling past four cores. Anandtech reviews even have the i7-7700K keeping pace with R7-1800X in x265 encoding, despite Zen having a 100% advantage in core count. A 10-core Broadwell can probably encode two videos simultaneously (or the same video in two parts) faster than the R7-1800X.BD-E 10C is over 3X the price of 1800X. Are you talking about encoding? Because the 1800X can keep up with the 6950X in that even with fewer cores.
I know that video encoding doesn't scale linearly with number of cores, but even with two simultaneous encodes I'd think that the difference between the 6950X and 1800X would be less than 1.25x.Video encoders don't scale very well with multi-threading, due to all the data dependencies. x264 and x265 both show sub-linear scaling past four cores. Anandtech reviews even have the i7-7700K keeping pace with R7-1800X in x265 encoding, despite Zen having a 100% advantage in core count. A 10-core Broadwell can probably encode two videos simultaneously (or the same video in two parts) faster than the R7-1800X.
That is certainly the case at stock, since the 1800X is clocked 400 MHz higher (3.8 vs 3.4 GHz turbo). Even with linear scaling, Broadwell-E could only be 12% faster.I know that video encoding doesn't scale linearly with number of cores, but even with two simultaneous encodes I'd think that the difference between the 6950X and 1800X would be less than 1.25x.
BD-E 10C is over 3X the price of 1800X. Are you talking about encoding? Because the 1800X can keep up with the 6950X in that even with fewer cores.
Video encoders don't scale very well with multi-threading, due to all the data dependencies. x264 and x265 both show sub-linear scaling past four cores. Anandtech reviews even have the i7-7700K keeping pace with R7-1800X in x265 encoding, despite Zen having a 100% advantage in core count. A 10-core Broadwell can probably encode two videos simultaneously (or the same video in two parts) faster than the R7-1800X.
Your original comment was in response to VirtualLarry's post regarding game streaming. In that aspect the 1800X can certainly keep up with the 6950X.I'm talking about an index from a mixed workload, it includes everything.
Your original comment was in response to VirtualLarry's post regarding game streaming. In that aspect the 1800X can certainly keep up with the 6950X.
Cherry picking then, Ok.
Your response is linking to computerbase 720p gaming results.
I am prepared for 2C-6C/1T-6T Anaphase w/ QMD aka ICMC.
I was bored. I went searching... and weird patents being "corrected" between 2014-2016.
Its interesting what an avg enthusiast workload looks like in 3 years.
How multithreadded will applications and games be?
How is adoption of wider vectors?
Everything that is a patent in regards to post-concept sees the light of day @ Intel. Especially, when you buy someone(corps are people) for $250 million. Who just so happens to be thinking the same thing and patenting an extended front-end.Not everything that gets patented winds up translating into a shipping product, so don't rely too much on patents to inform you about future products.
Broadwell-E 10C already beats Ryzen 1800X, SKL-X is a different class. I expect that CFL 6C is enough to beat Ryzen 1800X. Even if it has the upper hand in some MT tests here and there, CFL 6C is a much better allrounder if it clocks high enough. Even KBL 4C is close to Ryzen 1800X in most reviews.
I expect CL with 14nm++ to push clocks a little higher than KL, and have a small IPC improvement.Kaby Lake's wins are mainly where single-thread matters. Coffee Lake shouldn't be able to improve much in that over i7-7700K, unless it is going to have better IPC from new core architecture. If it was just through frequencies, how much higher can it go? If you wanted 10% better single-thread, it would need to have 4,95 GHz Boost (stock). Which I find unlikely. 5% still requires 4,725 GHz.
So I expect Coffee to mainly improve multi-thread. Question is, what clocks will 6 cores on 14nm process allow? Normally I would expect some drop, probably under 4,0 Ghz in the top SKU, meaning you are going to get less than +50% improvement in multithread over 7700K. Not sure if that is enough for overal win in applications that are actually using up more than 4 cores (non-scaling ones obviously show single-thread perf. rather than multi-thread).
Regardless, these CPUs will be much better value than Kaby quads currently are, though.
Who's cherrypicking? The comment was initially about what SKL-X 12C/24T would bring for encoding and game streaming over the 1800X.Cherry picking then, Ok. If they did use a GPU assisted streaming CPU doesn't even matter.
Who's cherrypicking? The comment was initially about what SKL-X 12C/24T would bring for encoding and game streaming over the 1800X.