Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[jpiniero]

They said only Coffeelake will be supported on 300series of chipsets. Do you refer to USB 3.1 and WLAN or which goodies do you mean?

That's what the article is implying. Z370 is basically Z270 modified to support Coffee Lake.

 

[mikk]

Well when you get a socket segmentation, rebranded Pentiums and Celerons and I5 to I7 difference is more than just HT, it is the worse case escenario. How could this get any worse?

For god sake, they are not even willing to offer full GT2 and 4MB cache to all Pentiums!!!!

It's not worse, it's better because there is no Kabylake-S based Pentium with 4 MB L3, so there is actually an improvement over Kabylake.-S. Intel already upped their Pentium lineup with Kabylake enabling HT as well as adding GT2 offerings. You do not need to cry about these Pentiums.

 

[tential]

Agree here. CFL 6C should be a much better balance in terms of MT & ST than 1800X, IMHO. Will be interesting to see how it's priced.

I'm not sure I'm understanding the discussion here. Outside of a few people, Threadripper doesn't change anything. You can't keep throwing cores at the problem for 90% of the users on this forum. We either need more ST or a change in how things are made. So I'm not sure why people think Intel will lower prices. Pricing will stay relatively the same. Threadripper will serve a handful of people well but CFL 6C/12T is the real threat.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Did I miss any of the news and the 7820X is not expected to be a 8c/16t which turbos past 4Ghz?

Yeah its TBM 3.0 = 4.5GHz (single core) // TBM 2.0 4.3GHz (all cores).

Personally I think that a maximum of 4.7GHz on all cores would be possible/sustainable with heat etc. Still, that would be pretty darn impressive on an 8C SKU.

I think the idea behind that pricing model is that Intel is pricing it up directly up against the 1800x. Which is why I wouldn't put to much belief in that pricing. Even if Intel felt that the needed to be competitive with AMD, they think too highly of themselves, the chip will be faster than a 1800x. No way they don't have it priced at some kind of premium. Even if it's only $50. No way they match a 1800x in pricing.

+1

Intel's CPU will have a 15-20% stock clock advantage over 1700, and that clock advantage is bound to be maintained even when overclocking. Add a conservative 10% IPC advantage (it will be more) on top of that and you get 25-30% performance uplift. Intel can easily drop the 7800X a bit under $400, keep 7820X around $550 like Topweasel already hinted, and make both CPUs an offer most will not refuse.

Ideally yes. Yet I wouldn't put it past Intel to ignore AMD prices completely and ask a premium for the things you listed here. Regardless, I'll refrain from speculating further, I mean, we're only a few days away from having the official prices.

Says that Coffee Lake is only compatible with 300 series boards. Oh and the goodies that come with the 300 series (Z390) isn't coming out until January, the Z370 is just a rebadged 200 series updated to support Coffee Lake. You can of course use Kaby with 300 series if you wanted to.

Z390: Seems to be for Cannonlake, rather, according to the article.

 

[jpiniero]

Z390: Seems to be for Cannonlake, rather, according to the article.

The Chipset is named Cannonlake PCH because that was what it was developed for. Coffee Lake is of course the replacement for Cannonlake desktop.

Note that Icelake is 99+% likely to not be compatible with 300 series.

 

[MangoX]

Haven't been following the new Intel cpus lately. Will a 6C coffee lake drop into an existing z270 board or will I have to buy a new motherboard?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

The Chipset is named Cannonlake PCH because that was what it was developed for. Coffee Lake is of course the replacement for Cannonlake desktop.

Note that Icelake is 99+% likely to not be compatible with 300 series.

Agreed since Ice Lake will be entirely newly build tech rather than expanding on SB.

Haven't been following the new Intel cpus lately. Will a 6C coffee lake drop into an existing z270 board or will I have to buy a new motherboard?

Doubtfully, so likely a new board.

 

[pcslookout]

Haven't been following the new Intel cpus lately. Will a 6C coffee lake drop into an existing z270 board or will I have to buy a new motherboard?

Nope new motherboard!

 

[VirtualLarry]

I recently noticed that Intel changed the socket for Coffee Lake-S to LGA 1151 v2 and would only be compatible with the Z370.
I wonder if this is true.

The only legitimate reason I could see for revising the socket, is max TDP reasons and suitable power-delivery for a 6C/12T CPU, over a 4C/8T CPU.

 

[DrMrLordX]

This is why we needed competition? this is worse.

If what you say is really coming to pass, it represents Intel implementing plans made well before March 2017.

 

[pcslookout]

Will Intel next processors use less power and generate less heat or no ?

 

[Dave2150]

The only legitimate reason I could see for revising the socket, is max TDP reasons and suitable power-delivery for a 6C/12T CPU, over a 4C/8T CPU.

$$ is also a legitimate reason. Intel are not a charity, they don't owe us anything.

 

[pcslookout]

$$ is also a legitimate reason. Intel are not a charity, they don't owe us anything.

This is true!

 

[scannall]

The only legitimate reason I could see for revising the socket, is max TDP reasons and suitable power-delivery for a 6C/12T CPU, over a 4C/8T CPU.

Or to sell more chipsets....

 

[Dave2150]

If this is true, it's a very good news for existing Core i7 users.

Majority of users on Steam are using a 4C-4T CPU hence this is what game developers optimise their games for as this way they are able to target the largest population.

Old 4C-8T Core i7 now getting more affordable as new Core i5 and Ryzen giving 4C-8T with Ryzen R5 1500 as the bare minimum, this adds even more years of life to all Core i7 users as now game developers will start optimising for 4C-8T at minimum and then scale for 6C-12T and more.

I think it indeed was a good decision to upgrade to a Core i7 7700k on a good deal.

Yeah...the price... Quad channel does eff all as far as I know - or maybe in some niche area it is useful. Aside from everything, 8C has a longer life ahead of it than 6C.

By the time a 6C is limited in gaming/everyday applications, the 8C will also be equally limited.

 

[wildhorse2k]

For me requiring new motherboard is irrelevant as I do not upgrade regularly and expect my system to last for a long time. As a result motherboard also needs to be upgraded. Perhaps people need to think if they really need to upgrade after 1-2 years.

 

[Dave2150]

For me requiring new motherboard is irrelevant as I do not upgrade regularly and expect my system to last for a long time. As a result motherboard also needs to be upgraded. Perhaps people need to think if they really need to upgrade after 1-2 years.

Consider that people have different amount of disposable income and for some, playing with PC components is their main hobby. There are enthusiasts who care more about PC components than having a family/children - buying every new generation of motherboard/chipset/cpu is taken for granted etc.

Each to his own. I used to upgrade every 6 months-1 year, though that all stopped with my Nehalem purchase.

I went from:

E6600 (bought 2006) > i7 920 (bought December 2008) > 6700k (bought August 2015)

I expect my next upgrade to be an 8C Icelake, in 2019/2020, though wouldn't be surprised if I end up with a 8C Tigerlake or even the 7nm version, such are the importance of CPU's these days.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

By the time a 6C is limited in gaming/everyday applications, the 8C will also be equally limited.

That makes no sense at all, sorry.

For me requiring new motherboard is irrelevant as I do not upgrade regularly and expect my system to last for a long time. As a result motherboard also needs to be upgraded. Perhaps people need to think if they really need to upgrade after 1-2 years.

Probably not, unless they want new toys to play with (which is fun!). For me it'll be coming from regular SKL onto SKL-X - big difference on a variety of things.

 

[Dave2150]

That makes no sense at all, sorry.

The difference between a 6C12T and a 8C16T is extremely small in gaming/everyday applications. This will not change, even in 2-3 years.

You'll have to jump to a 12C/16C to see a large difference, and that will only 'work' when developers are actively developing everyday applications/games for that many cores.

 

[krumme]

Or to sell more chipsets....

I use to think of it as another mb sales. But this situation makes me think its another purpose also;
Perhaps its another motherboard on the market that needs a cpu - So its actually a smart way to expand cpu sales?

Still i dont quite get and believe it. Didnt 270 not just arive? Lol

But yeaa more vrm power could be needed.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

ASUS ROG STRIX X299-E

https://videocardz.com/69893/asus-strix-x299-e-motherboard-leaked-by-asus

This is my board.

 

[jpiniero]

Still i dont quite get and believe it. Didnt 270 not just arive? Lol

You have to remember that Intel is rushing out Coffee Lake & it's still only aparently the K models until January.

 

[formulav8]

but that doesn't look to be the case.

Yeps that's quite a big negative, but of course expected.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Yeps that's quite a big negative, but of course expected.

I'd promised myself that when CFL-S required a new board, I'd go with SKL-X instead. Either upgrade would require the same number of parts to be purchased (except RAM) so it makes sense to go with the better platform.

 

[Bouowmx]

I do not think Intel Coffee Lake's 300-series chipset restriction (if there is) has anything to do with power consumption. 100 and 200 series handle 95-W (my expected rating for 6-core processors) rated processors fine: H110 with Core i7-7700K. Z170 and Z270 handle > 125 W fine: Core i7-7700K overclocked.
Probable reason is segmentation, like before with 8 series and Broadwell.