Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[wildhorse2k]

$300 for CPU and $80 for motherboard are very mainstream price points. AMD has redefined what mainstream and HEDT mean with their Zen offering.

Intel will never sell for the same/similar price like AMD as it has various advantages: frequency advantage, gaming advantage, software compatiblity, often stability, customer loyalty. Some customers are willing to pay extra to get that. Ryzen 1700 customers are going for the highest performance/cost and Intel doesn't want to compete there. Margins are low, those people don't have lot of money to spend. i7 7820X is competing with Ryzen 1800X. For those people considering 1800X the i7 7820X may be a very good choice as it is a superior CPU in every way.

AMD products are in general worth less in the eyes of customers, so they naturally must be cheaper. Nobody would buy 1800X if it cost the same like i7 7820X.

Undoubtedly Threadripper will offer the best performance/cost. But if the price difference isn't too large customers may still prefer Intel. My estimation is about $1200 for 16C which means very small market for those CPUs.
Ryzen wasn't such a huge success after all, riddled with many problems and it is reasonable to expect the same will happen with Threadripper as well. For a $400 CPU that was tolerable, but with $1200 price it will be much bigger problem.

 

[Ajay]

I'm not pleased with the 140W TDP of the 7800x, but dang it's a hell of a CPU for the price.

I sure hope AMD was keeping one in the chamber.

Yeah, except for cheaping out in the TIM. Still scratching my head on that move. I really don't think AMD has anything worry about for now. They are in a good position in the Enthusiast market with Ryzen**. Intel HEDT is a different market, IMHO.

** Though, I think AMD still has a ways to go in improving the Zen/AM4 platform.

 

[formulav8]

Much cheaper hobby than smoking, gambling, or any of those other things that I don't do!

That part is true but you can still go overboard on your wallet.

 

[formulav8]

Ryzen wasn't such a huge success after all, riddled with many problems

Not correct. The main "problems" was run running faster than the Jedec standard on ram. Not to mention X99 had similar issues. I'm not sure where you saw Ryzen wasn't a big success?

 

[Atari2600]

Really amazing how Intel was able to keep this secret until (almost) Computex. Everyone I talked to just a few days ago reiterated the previous leak, even Intel in the presentation below.

Yeah...

So secret even their own presenters at Computex didn't have a f**king clue what it was about.


Today I can exclusively reveal the !!!new!!! 64 core VIA coreDESTROYER. With IPC somewhere between TBD % better than the currently available competition, running at TBD THz (All core turbo obviously), with SMT4 (TBD % better than Intel and AMD - and 4x threaded at that), on 3nm process (TBC) and available in a few weeks... give or take.... the coreDESTROYER will decimate the competition, whether they (will) bleed blue or green.



Koolaid. Your full of it.

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[formulav8]

Still scratching my head on that move.

Isn't that the first time Intel hasn't soldered the lid on the HEDT CPU's? That for sure sounds like cheaping out.

 

[cytg111]

So the 7800X and 7820X are now i7 again? That makes little sense. Meh what's a moniker anyway

Holy smokes.. So this is what competition smells like, yes, thank you ... Is that the same 2066 socket all the way down? Could you upgrade 4/4 -> 18/36 over night? (nice just eclipsing threadripper here with 2 cores).

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Holy smokes.. So this is what competition smells like, yes, thank you ... Is that the same 2066 socket all the way down? Could you upgrade 4/4 -> 18/36 over night? (nice just eclipsing threadripper here with 2 cores).

Yes all LGA 2066 and yes you can go from bottom to top overnight.

 

[wildhorse2k]

Not correct. The main "problems" was run running faster than the Jedec standard on ram. Not to mention X99 had similar issues. I'm not sure where you saw Ryzen wasn't a big success?

There are lots of problems in Ryzen, not just memory, some have already been fixed. X99 is old technology. I expected better from AMD. For me AMD proved it can't deliver a stable and reliable product. People who bought 1700 don't care as it is still good value, but those shopping for Threadripper will care more.

 

[Ajay]

Isn't that the first time Intel hasn't soldered the lid on the HEDT CPU's? That for sure sounds like cheaping out.

Yes and I agree. If the variation is as as bad as Kaby Lake, I'll have to pay to have it delidded, which eats into the value proposition.

 

[Atari2600]

For me AMD proved it can't deliver a stable and reliable product.

For me, that just proves your fanboi nature.


No brand new platform (not a rehash or iteration) arrives with rock-solid stability.

 

[Timmah!]

I buy hardware because I like hardware, I make no pretense that I buy this stuff because I "need" it.

It may come as a shock to you, but hobbyists don't buy things necessarily because they need them

Much cheaper hobby than smoking, gambling, or any of those other things that I don't do!

Since when is smoking or gambling hobby? Those are vices, gambling pretty much bordering with mental illness...

Additionally, not sure what the cigarettes cost where you live, but over here you would have to smoke helluva lot of them to cost you more than proper hardware. For example if i smoked a pack every single day, after the year i would spent on it about the same as on TitanX.

I get the point, but those are not really good examples of alternatives

Sorry for off-topic.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Are we a collective...? I was just musing about the same thing tonight... However not for the PCI lanes (1 GPU and 1-2 M.2's and that's me done) but identical boost clocks with more cores/threads, cache. Major price difference though.

I have a feeling that Intel may drop the price of some of these CPUs. At any rate, I was thinking I was going to build an awesome system this time and I think the 8 and 10 core CPUs are going to have the best combination of performance in terms of ST and MT. I'll probably go back and forth several times until I click "Buy" but I don't think I'll regret either choice.

At the risk of dating myself, the most I've ever paid for a CPU was $1000 for the just released Pentium 120 back in 1995. I was a poor grad student then so spending a grand on a CPU now isn't a big deal.

 

[formulav8]

There are lots of problems in Ryzen

What are the lots of problems so many are running into?

 

[formulav8]

If the variation is as as bad as Kaby Lake

It may be worse. According to Tom's HW Intel recommends water cooling as the minimum.

 

[Arachnotronic]

It may be worse. According to Tom's HW Intel recommends water cooling as the minimum.

Intel has recommended water cooling as the minimum since SNB-E.

 

[formulav8]

Intel has recommended water cooling as the minimum since SNB-E.

Don't recall that but thanks for letting me know.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I have a feeling that Intel may drop the price of some of these CPUs. At any rate, I was thinking I was going to build an awesome system this time and I think the 8 and 10 core CPUs are going to have the best combination of performance in terms of ST and MT. I'll probably go back and forth several times until I click "Buy" but I don't think I'll regret either choice.

At the risk of dating myself, the most I've ever paid for a CPU was $1000 for the just released Pentium 120 back in 1995. I was a poor grad student then so spending a grand on a CPU now isn't a big deal.

Going back and forth already myself. I don't need 10C and the price difference is huge. Better to get a 7820X in my case. That's decided then.

As for price drops, yeah that'd be good. Maybe when we get more TR stuff out?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Intel has recommended water cooling as the minimum since SNB-E.

Since they said that next to their cooler pic they may just as well want to sell their uninteresting coolers with that statement. A phase change unit will be good too

 

[krumme]

I buy hardware because I like hardware, I make no pretense that I buy this stuff because I "need" it.

It may come as a shock to you, but hobbyists don't buy things necessarily because they need them

Much cheaper hobby than smoking, gambling, or any of those other things that I don't do!

Yeaa but its still a <redacted> way to have the hobby non the less.
I have the same tendency to get a lot of gear and kind of likes it a lot but it doesnt really make a difference. Pretending it does is just a fat lie.

Its obvious those that lisnt to music gets more satisfaction than those that are into crazy gear and really dont care for Mahlers 5. Symp.
Or those that loves fishing vs a dude with space technology in his hand but not getting any pleassure from it.
It goes for all gear.
Bragging about buying as an objective is just sad.
As if the prupose is to have the best and MOST EXPENSIVE bicycle gear while you are the slowest on the road.

There is obvious other ways. Nerding with eg cooling, oc and perhaps even using it for something.

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[Ajay]

Yeaa but its still a <redeacted> way to have the hobby non the less.
I have the same tendency to get a lot of gear and kind of likes it a lot but it doesnt really make a difference. Pretending it does is just a fat lie.

Its obvious those that lisnt to music gets more satisfaction than those that are into crazy gear and really dont care for Mahlers 5. Symp.
Or those that loves fishing vs a dude with space technology in his hand but not getting any pleassure from it.
It goes for all gear.
Bragging about buying as an objective is just sad.
As if the prupose is to have the best and MOST EXPENSIVE bicycle gear while you are the slowest on the road.

There is obvious other ways. Nerding with eg cooling, oc and perhaps even using it for something.

Respectfully, I don't think this thread should be about moral values, etc.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Yeaa but its still a <redacted> way to have the hobby non the less.
I have the same tendency to get a lot of gear and kind of likes it a lot but it doesnt really make a difference. Pretending it does is just a fat lie.

Its obvious those that lisnt to music gets more satisfaction than those that are into crazy gear and really dont care for Mahlers 5. Symp.
Or those that loves fishing vs a dude with space technology in his hand but not getting any pleassure from it.
It goes for all gear.
Bragging about buying as an objective is just sad.
As if the prupose is to have the best and MOST EXPENSIVE bicycle gear while you are the slowest on the road.

There is obvious other ways. Nerding with eg cooling, oc and perhaps even using it for something.

Don't worry, I get a lot of use out of my PCs

 

[TahoeDust]

I have no "need" for a 7820x...but I also had no "need" for my 2700k when I bought it 5.5 years ago. I don't make purchases for what I "need" today, but what will fulfill my needs into the future.

 

[krumme]

I have a feeling that Intel may drop the price of some of these CPUs. At any rate, I was thinking I was going to build an awesome system this time and I think the 8 and 10 core CPUs are going to have the best combination of performance in terms of ST and MT. I'll probably go back and forth several times until I click "Buy" but I don't think I'll regret either choice.

At the risk of dating myself, the most I've ever paid for a CPU was $1000 for the just released Pentium 120 back in 1995. I was a poor grad student then so spending a grand on a CPU now isn't a big deal.

Naa. I am pretty sure the prices here are here to stay. Intel is usually highly professional about such stuff and prefers stable prices. They care for their brand.
Rather than cut margins they will sell a bit less and introduce some new stuff with new names.

 

[krumme]

Respectfully, I don't think this thread should be about moral values, etc.

Then why dont you address Adam or Ac post then?