Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[mikk]

I was listening to linustech+jayztwocents and they mention delay of coffee lake to 2018 see youtube video , so what will we be getting then a kaby lake refresh this summer/after summer? 6core kaby lake refresh ? I am confused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcNiKUm5j1s&t=3251s#

Probably comes from the winfuture/golem FUD confusing mobile with desktop, your link itself is a poor source. Why do we need a poor youtube link when we have better sources and a better view here? These people want clicks and need some stories even if they are nonsense. Golem already fixed their nonsense btw saying that the second wave of Coffeelake coming Q1 2018 which we already knew, but it's too late.

 

[TahoeDust]

If he was able to go 5.0GHz on all 10 cores under a 280mm AIO...my original thought of going 5.0GHz on all 8 cores of a 7820x under my push/pull h115i may actually be doable. Exciting stuff.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I'm REALLY anxious to hear your results, as that is more or less the same config I'm considering if I go with SKL-X. At this rate, I may end up building a SKL-X box and a Threadripper box!

@IndyColtsFan & @Arachnotronic

What RAM will you be getting?

=====

Where does Cascade Lake-X come from? All I find is SP.

 

[moonbogg]

We expected them to clock well, and they seem to do that. The need to delid is terrible and those temps were disgusting though. If you delid, you have to delid again in 12 months or something? I could never buy a chip like that. I hope the market pressures Intel to solder their next line of chips because at these prices using TIM is completely absurd.

 

[plopke]

Probably comes from the winfuture/golem FUD confusing mobile with desktop, your link itself is a poor source. Why do we need a poor youtube link when we have better sources and a better view here? These people want clicks and need some stories even if they are nonsense. Golem already fixed their nonsense btw saying that the second wave of Coffeelake coming Q1 2018 which we already knew, but it's too late.

I was not really posting it as fact , just curious on what everyone is basing their information on , so far as i can see the only thing intel told us was HEDT stuff + 8th gen ready for holiday season and that looked like mobile first?

 

[aigomorla]

We expected them to clock well, and they seem to do that. The need to delid is terrible and those temps were disgusting though. If you delid, you have to delid again in 12 months or something? I could never buy a chip like that. I hope the market pressures Intel to solder their next line of chips because at these prices using TIM is completely absurd.

why even bother with the IHS.

I would source a MSI deliding Guard and run the die naked or simular

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...800a1e840ac74c4a-1497118050560-07000-VnYZvQVf


or Just run it without the top clamp and use the heat sink to secure the cpu into the socket.
Of course i would not use a heavy heat sink to do that and would only try it on a AIO or custom watercooling setup.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

There is no need to delid for any reason. There is the option to delid for additional gains, especially in the temperature department.

That delid guard is fantastic!! If you're going to delid you may as well get one and alleviate the need to delid every 12 months. Still, I don't have the guts to do so and I don't want to lose resale value.

 

[raghu78]

Because when I'm in the market for a 10C I'm not looking for a 16C? Only AMDs perspective is 'compare by price points' because that's all they usually have going for them. If you're looking for price/performance you're in the wrong thread I'm afraid; this is an Intel thread, this is not an AMD thread. This stuff is wearing me out. It's a rather simple equation: do you want price/performance? Buy AMD. Do you want raw power and pure performance? Buy Intel. And believe me, I don't mean to
sound harsh and I too wish Intel were cheaper but this is the reality we live in.

Who really goes looking for core counts ? People buy performance and not core counts. I can totally understand people prioritizing single thread performance over multithread performance for a given price. TR 16C/32T at 3.9 / 4 Ghz would easily provide 25-30% more multithread performance than 7900X at 4.8-5.0 Ghz. For single thread performance Intel 7900x at 4.8 - 5 Ghz would dominate TR 16C/32T by 25-30%. So it comes down to the specific use cases for each individual. The way I see it for a given price if you want the best multithread performance go with TR and if you want the best single thread performance and lower multithread performance go with Skylake-X. Next year is when things should get more interesting when AMD starts pushing higher clocks with Zen. The contest will be a lot more closer.

So you think 10nm/10nm+ will be a huge struggle for Intel, but GloFo/TSMC 7nm-based products will be cake for AMD?

10nm for Intel is not a struggle. Its a disaster. There is no high volume high performance CPU from Intel at 10nm. That should tell you the first generation Intel 10nm process is basically DOA. The question is how is 10+ going to be. As for TSMC and GF, I would say we have to see how they ramp in 2018 and 2019 respectively. Given the fact that TSMC 7nm shares more than 90% of the backend of TSMC 10nm and Apple will be ramping A11 at TSMC 10nm this year they should do reasonably well next year with 7nm ramp by using the yield learning at 10nm. GF has to prove that they can deliver a bleeding edge node with reasonable yields on time. They haven't done that in the past. But AMD has renegotiated WSA to make sure they can manufacture at TSMC if GF fails to deliver. AMD also has a major advantage with their multi die strategy for servers. 7nm is a massive shrink for AMD and their first gen 7nm Zen die could go below 150 sq mm die size . They will basically face much lesser challenges than Intel who have to ramp 300-400 sq mm Icelake SP dies as multi die with EMIB and server first does not come till 10++ and 2020. Thats where AMD has a easier task cut out for them for the next few years.I also think AMD will use multi die with Navi at 7nm. If Nvidia continue with single massive monolithic dies at 7nm they might find themselves running into serious yield challenges. I think the era of a single >=500 sq mm die is pretty much over in the semiconductor industry.






Talking of AMD in the skylake thread. Multiple mod warnings yet you're still posting about AMD in this thread.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

@IndyColtsFan & @Arachnotronic

What RAM will you be getting?

=====

Where does Cascade Lake-X come from? All I find is SP.

I imagine I'll get 32 GB of DDR3200 or above from GSkill or Corsair. I'll wait and see the QVLs before I decide on the actual model regardless of whether I go with SKL-X or TR.

 

[moonbogg]

why even bother with the IHS.

I would source a MSI deliding Guard and run the die naked or simular

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...800a1e840ac74c4a-1497118050560-07000-VnYZvQVf


or Just run it without the top clamp and use the heat sink to secure the cpu into the socket.
Of course i would not use a heavy heat sink to do that and would only try it on a AIO or custom watercooling setup.

Oh my god. What have you done.

 

[ManyThreads]

Any word on OC *without* a delid? Most users like myself probably aren't going to go through that sort of trouble. I'd be happy with 4.5-4.6 if Delid gets you 5.0. Is that a reasonable assumption for all cores on something like a Noctua D15?

The press embargo is lifted Monday, so hopefully that is one thing people test.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Any word on OC *without* a delid? Most users like myself probably aren't going to go through that sort of trouble. I'd be happy with 4.5-4.6 if Delid gets you 5.0. Is that a reasonable assumption for all cores on something like a Noctua D15?

The press embargo is lifted Monday, so hopefully that is one thing people test.

Definitely watch the video; he also has done it with the IHS on.

Air cooling? That would be a bad idea in all likelihood. At least get a top notch AIO and you'll be thankful you did.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

I imagine I'll get 32 GB of DDR3200 or above from GSkill or Corsair. I'll wait and see the QVLs before I decide on the actual model regardless of whether I go with SKL-X or TR.

Ha! I'm in the exact same boat, funny coincidence yeah wise decision, no need to give yourself headaches for buying RAM too early. And I bet we'll see some new kits released alongside X299/TR.

 

[moonbogg]

I think the only way to use these chips is to direct die cool them just like a GPU. It works with GPUs really, really good. With the advent of this TIM on new CPU's, I will have to start thinking about direct die cooling like aigomorla pointed out a few posts above. I don't think you can beat the performance of direct die cooling. There are many drawbacks to doing it with a CPU, such as resale value, warranty, potential damage etc. But, as an enthusiast, it is my responsibility to turn straw into gold. I'm not sure I can get over those drawbacks though. They are many.
Wouldn't it be funny if Intel went back to solder later on and angry overclockers everywhere started cursing them for it? "How can we direct die cool this stupid thing when you welded the lid on! Come on Intel! Let us choose how to cool our own chips you filthy tyrants!"

 

[TahoeDust]

I imagine I'll get 32 GB of DDR3200 or above from GSkill or Corsair. I'll wait and see the QVLs before I decide on the actual model regardless of whether I go with SKL-X or TR.

Ha! I'm in the exact same boat, funny coincidence yeah wise decision, no need to give yourself headaches for buying RAM too early. And I bet we'll see some new kits released alongside X299/TR.

Haha...you guys have better impulse control than I do. I picked up this kit for $260 the other day...
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

I just couldn't resist a deal. I'm hoping it will play ok with my 7820x plans.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Haha...you guys have better impulse control than I do. I picked up this kit for $260 the other day...
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820236140&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

I just couldn't resist a deal. I'm hoping it will play ok with my 7820x plans.

Fantastic deal! It's over twice that here. And you're pretty safe with that kit.

 

[jpiniero]

I had to look it up, Amazon had that for a little more than $180 last year... regular price. $179 on BF.

 

[ManyThreads]

Definitely watch the video; he also has done it with the IHS on.

Air cooling? That would be a bad idea in all likelihood. At least get a top notch AIO and you'll be thankful you did.

Oh wow he hit 4.8 without delidding - crazy. I would be happy with 4.6-4.7 for sure, and I would only get the 8C. I assume the 8C would clock higher, or reach those clocks more easily?

Yeah the reason I ask is whenever I look at reviews for coolers, the D15 is always within a couple of degrees C of the water coolers. I prefer air, if I can get away with it.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I had to look it up, Amazon had that for a little more than $180 last year... regular price. $179 on BF.

That's another reason I'm waiting - I'm hoping we may see a dip in RAM prices, especially if I wait until the fall.

The only component I have for my next build is a 1000 W EVGA Platinum supply I got a great deal on - like 2 years ago.

 

[Ajay]

Haha...you guys have better impulse control than I do. I picked up this kit for $260 the other day...
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820236140&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

I just couldn't resist a deal. I'm hoping it will play ok with my 7820x plans.

At least you got a good deal, those stick are now $40 more expensive!

 

[TahoeDust]

I had to look it up, Amazon had that for a little more than $180 last year... regular price. $179 on BF.

If I only had a time machine

 

[firewolfsm]

I think the era of a single >=500 sq mm die is pretty much over in the semiconductor industry.

How can you say this after the massive die nvidia just released?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

That's another reason I'm waiting - I'm hoping we may see a dip in RAM prices, especially if I wait until the fall.

The only component I have for my next build is a 1000 W EVGA Platinum supply I got a great deal on - like 2 years ago.

RAM prices are estimated to continue to go up throughout 2017, sorry 32 costs €500 here... Hence I'm going for 16 which is near €300 - still way overpriced!!

Basically I am waiting with purchasing an X299 system for reviews, possible price drops, BIOS maturity (I don't like reconfiguring my overclock on a regular basis) etc.

A beautiful board, outside of my price range though:

 

[TahoeDust]

I really like the looks of the Asus ROG Strix x299-e board, but hate the second m.2 slot being vertical. Anyone have thought on the MSI Pro Carbon board? How do you think it will price compared to the Asus strix board?

https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/X299-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC.html#productFeature-section

 

[TheF34RChannel]

MSI: no idea about the price. My concern would be the BIOS, since they're known for unnecessary high voltage.