Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[Fjodor2001]

Its clear OEMs doesnt like the shift changes. So I wouldnt be surprised if it was those trying to slow down.

I think they would much rather prefer Cannonlake 10 nm being released on time instead, and no slowdown. But if Intel introducing KabyLake as a Refresh, then it's quite natural the OEMs want a sufficiently large sales window for it.

But that doesn't mean Intel could deliver Cannonlake earlier if they wanted to. I think Intel estimates that they'll have Cannonlake ready in 2017H2, and thus launches KabyLake at some point before that to give KabyLake a sufficient sales window. I.e. it's more likely they can push out KabyLake when they want to, but not Cannonlake 10 nm because that's what's actually being delayed.

 

[Sweepr]

Its clear OEMs doesnt like the shift changes. So I wouldnt be surprised if it was those trying to slow down.

That's what I thought too. It's a 14nm product after all, shouldn't be too difficult to pull another quad-core Skylake with Cannonlake graphics in a mature process.
Broadwell is a 2015 product and the Broadwell-Skylake transition is about to happen, OEMs probably want/need more time till the next product cycle.

 

[ShintaiDK]

That's what I thought too. It's a 14nm product after all, shouldn't be too difficult to pull another quad-core Skylake with Cannonlake graphics in a mature process.
Broadwell is a 2015 product and the Broadwell-Skylake transition is about to happen, OEMs probably want/need more time till the next product cycle.

A classic is some of the good business laptops. They are usually 6-9 months "behind". Because there is more build and quality check behind the products.

 

[Sweepr]

ASUS starts the marketing.

 

[Arachnotronic]

ASUS starts the marketing.

Can't wait.

Sweepr, are you going to be picking up a Skylake system?

 

[dooon]

Core i7-6700K
4 Cores , 8 Threads
CPU Clock 4GHz - 4.2GHz
8MB L3 Cache
$339 USD

Core i5-6600K
4 Cores
CPU Clock 3.5GHz - 3.9GHz
6MB L3 Cache
$242 USD

Dual Channel DDR3 / DDR4
Intel HD Graphics 530
GPU Clock 1.15GHz
TDP 95W
http://www.hkepc.com/12829

 

[Sweepr]

Can't wait.

Sweepr, are you going to be picking up a Skylake system?

I didn't plan to but now that my Gulftown system died on me I'll probably pick one.
Haswell-E will still power my enthusiast PC 'A' but as I've told before I'd love to try Skylake in a mini-ITX configuration, perhaps a lower TDP version (35W Core i7 6700T) + the best graphics card I can find up to ~150W for a small, silent, cool yet still fast summer gaming PC 'B'.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Core i7-6700K
4 Cores , 8 Threads
CPU Clock 4GHz - 4.2GHz
8MB L3 Cache
$339 USD

Core i5-6600K
4 Cores
CPU Clock 3.5GHz - 3.9GHz
6MB L3 Cache
$242 USD

Dual Channel DDR3 / DDR4
Intel HD Graphics 530
GPU Clock 1.15GHz
TDP 95W
http://www.hkepc.com/12829

Looks to be same price as today. So the strong dollar have actually lowered the price in terms of CPI adjustment.

 

[Sweepr]

Gigabyte LGA1151 Motherboard Lineup

Gigabyte has shown off their Z170 motherboards, further providing a glimpse at the features and design schemes which will be adopted by Skylake ready boards. These new LGA 1151 socket based boards will have full support of Intel’s 6th generation Skylake processors which make debut on 5th August 2015. Gigabyte has several motherboards in their portfolio and we will be talking about the Legacy, Gaming G1 and SOC series.

www.wccftech.com/gigabyte-z170-motherboards

 

[phillyman36]

ASUS starts the marketing.

Where did you get that images from? I am waiting to see what Asus new mobo look like esp Z170 Deluxe. You should see me putting my face as close to the screen to look at that picture lol

Someone needs to talk me out of talking myself into getting Skylake with what i already have

Buying things because you are depressed isnt good.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I just wanna see all the MiniITX options from the different manufactors

 

[Arachnotronic]

Where did you get that images from? I am waiting to see what Asus new mobo look like esp Z170 Deluxe. You should see me putting my face as close to the screen to look at that picture lol

Someone needs to talk me out of talking myself into getting Skylake with what i already have

Buying things because you are depressed isnt good.

If you can afford it and if it'll bring you happiness, why the heck not?

Just don't spend the rent money on shiny electronics and you're good :thumbsup:

 

[Arachnotronic]

I didn't plan to but now that my Gulftown system died on me I'll probably pick one.
Haswell-E will still power my enthusiast PC 'A' but as I've told before I'd love to try Skylake in a mini-ITX configuration, perhaps a lower TDP version (35W Core i7 6700T) + the best graphics card I can find up to ~150W for a small, silent, cool yet still fast summer gaming PC 'B'.

Nice

 

[frozentundra123456]

Does it bother anyone else that we seem to be getting more publicity and features on the motherboards (and igpu leaks) than early benchmarks for the chips? Sure would be disappointing to see all these shiny new motherboards and only have no or a few percent performance gain, which I am afraid is going to happen, especially if max overclock cannot reach Devil's canyon.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Does it bother anyone else that we seem to be getting more publicity and features on the motherboards (and igpu leaks) than early benchmarks for the chips? Sure would be disappointing to see all these shiny new motherboards and only have no or a few percent performance gain, which I am afraid is going to happen, especially if max overclock cannot reach Devil's canyon.

Not really. Remember a lot of ES sellers sits in jail now.

Amount of leaked info with GPUs, AMD etc is also way down.

 

[mikk]

Dual Channel DDR3 / DDR4
Intel HD Graphics 530
GPU Clock 1.15GHz
TDP 95W
http://www.hkepc.com/12829

GPU frequency is quite low, 100-150 Mhz less than the fastest Haswell GT2.

 

[DrMrLordX]

That one will be Kabylake Iris Pro (Skylake CPU Cores + Gen 10 Graphics?).

Hmm, makes me wonder if we'll see Skylake Iris Pro at all then, if Kabylake Iris Pro will be showing up about a year later (well maybe a few months later than that, what with the reported Kabylake delays).

 

[Fjodor2001]

ES sellers

ES=Engineering Sample?

Also, just curious where you've heard that they are in jail?

And didn't we also use to get early benchmarks from people having access to CPUs available in the sales channels before launch? If Intel intends to have Skylake available for sale world-wide in very early August, then they ought to reach the sales channels soon.

 

[Sweepr]

Hmm, makes me wonder if we'll see Skylake Iris Pro at all then, if Kabylake Iris Pro will be showing up about a year later (well maybe a few months later than that, what with the reported Kabylake delays).

Not sure if I'm missing something but I think it will be like this:
Skylake-U GT3e 64MB eDRAM BGA (Ultrabooks and Convertibles) - H2/2015
Skylake-S GT4e 64MB eDRAM (Desktops - Broadwell-K Successor) LGA - 2016
Skylake-H GT4e 128MB BGA (Notebooks, Xeon E3) - Q4/2015-Q1/2016
Kabylake-U GT3e 64MB eDRAM (Ultrabooks and Convertibles) BGA - 2016
Kabylake-H GT4e 128+128MB (Notebooks, Xeon E3?) BGA? - 2016

 

[ShintaiDK]

ES=Engineering Sample?

Also, just curious where you've heard that they are in jail?

And didn't we also use to get early benchmarks from people having access to CPUs available in the sales channels before launch? If Intel intends to have Skylake available for sale world-wide in very early August, then they ought to reach the sales channels soon.

It started to go downhill around 2012. When the people selling engineering samples got targetted. Specially in Taiwan with CIB leading the investigations.

Its no different with AMD CPUs and GPUs or nVidia GPUs. The laws and control have been improved ever since.

Example:
http://hwbot.org/newsflash/1587_int...s_in_jail_(for_selling_sample_cpus_on_the_sly)

It kinda puts a damper on the party

 

[Fjodor2001]

It started to go downhill around 2012. When the people selling engineering samples got targetted. Specially in Taiwan with CIB leading the investigations.

Its no different with AMD CPUs and GPUs or nVidia GPUs. The laws and control have been improved ever since.

Example:
http://hwbot.org/newsflash/1587_int...s_in_jail_(for_selling_sample_cpus_on_the_sly)

It kinda puts a damper on the party

Just searched eBay for "engineering sample cpu", got 102 hits. Lots of them old, but still..

 

[Sweepr]

Where did you get that images from? I am waiting to see what Asus new mobo look like esp Z170 Deluxe. You should see me putting my face as close to the screen to look at that picture lol

Someone needs to talk me out of talking myself into getting Skylake with what i already have

Buying things because you are depressed isnt good.

Apparently there was an ASUS conference today but everything about Skylake is still under NDA.

End of ASUS conference , information about Skylake are still under NDA. Otherwise appointment shortly on the website.

 

[Phynaz]

ES=Engineering Sample?

Also, just curious where you've heard that they are in jail?

And didn't we also use to get early benchmarks from people having access to CPUs available in the sales channels before launch? If Intel intends to have Skylake available for sale world-wide in very early August, then they ought to reach the sales channels soon.

Engineering samples are the property of Intel. Selling them is illegal in most countries.

 

[Fjodor2001]

And anyway, leaked info does not depend on the Engineering Samples actually being sold. Someone just has to have access to them.

When I worked at a consumer electronics company some years ago, the biggest leaks we had were from in-house at our own company, and at external partner companies. I.e. all the people that need access to the products before launch. They can easily take pictures, run benchmarks etc and then leak that info.

I imagine there must be lots of people having access to Intel Engineering Sample CPUs too, without having bought them e.g. on eBay. For example all OEMs; companies producing motherboards, laptops, etc. So after all it's a bit strange we haven't seen much leaks even this close to launch.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Engineering samples are the property of Intel. Selling them is illegal in most countries.

Yeah, I know. I haven't said otherwise, have I? I just wondered where the info was from that lots of them had been put in jail. Because I haven't seen any info stating that this definitely is the case. That some have been put in jail is too little info to gain any general statistical knowledge from.