Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

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TahoeDust

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I already beat a 7900x@ 6ghz using LN2 on Cinebench, why would I stoop to doing games ? TR is for productivity, not games anyway,
Congrats man. That's awesome. It only took 8 more cores to do it...lol. TR is an awesome performance value, but core for core, Sky-X will clean it's clock. Wait until the rest of the lineup comes out.
 
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Markfw

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Congrats man. That's awesome. It only took 8 more cores to do it...lol. TR is an awesome performance value, but core for core, Sky-X will clean it's clock. Wait until the rest of the lineup comes out.
You mean 6 more cores ? and again they are the same price, so they are competitors. When Intel has a 16 core CPU that is $999 let me know, and then we can also run as competitors.

Oh, also, I have FOUR Xeon 14 core E5-2683v3 and they can barely keep up with my 8 core Ryzens.

Edit: And how many watts did that 7900x take@6 ghz to do that ? I bet my TR used less.

You should not have started this invite.
 
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TahoeDust

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You mean 6 more cores ? and again they are the same price, so they are competitors. When Intel has a 16 core CPU that is $999 let me know, and then we can also run as competitors.
Sorry, yes I meant 6 cores...60%more.

Yep, they're the same price. That is why TR is the best value....just not the best performance.
 
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Wait, so I beat the 7900x, but I don;t have the best performance ?

Edit: I am done with this, I should not have taken the bait.

Performance is dependent on your application.

If you're doing Cinebench or workloads like Cinebench, then you have better performance than the 7900X.

If you are playing games, then you probably don't.

The right tool for the right job.
 

Markfw

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Performance is dependent on your application.

If you're doing Cinebench or workloads like Cinebench, then you have better performance than the 7900X.

If you are playing games, then you probably don't.

The right tool for the right job.
The first sane reply in the last 10-20 posts. I actually agree, the 7700k (or 7740??) or the 1600x would be in that discussion
 

TahoeDust

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And how much does it cost ? and its available to buy right now ?

So you can't buy one right now, and when you can its 70% more ,.. NOT a competitor

You're right. You have the fastest processor $1000 can buy and I am sure you will for the foreseeable future.
 
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AdamK47

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These were at 2012MHz...pretty damn similar. Looks like the 7700k has ~1% advantage...and the 6900k is a wash.






Thanks for posting those @Charlie22911. I was curious about the 6900k.

The benchmark doesn't directly support SLI, so here are my non-SLI overpriced 1080 Ti Superposition results.



 

AdamK47

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Hell yeah man, that is screaming. What were your clocks? That Titan tho...

I do a conservative +125MHz core clock with MSI Afterburner. That keeps the GPU between 1960MHz and 2020MHz at full load depending on power and temperature levels.
 

itsmydamnation

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That's a typical AMD excuse.

Some people here seem to be having a hard time with basic math.........

7960 16x @ 5.6ghz(LN2) = 4931/89.6=55 points per ghz
TR 16x @ 4.1(AIO) = 3408/65.6 = 52 points per ghz
TR 16x @5.4(LN2) = 4514/86.4 = 52 points per ghz

enjoy that extra $2 per point...................

You think your going to get 16,18 core skylake-x to much greater then 4.2 all cores with an AIO? the 10core is already siting at ~180watts stock in R15.
 
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mikk

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What excuse? That AMD can't compete core for core and thus competes for price?


The price talk. From a technical perspective price doesn't matter, you could have whitewashed many poor CPUs and GPUs in the past and that's why it's a typical AMD excuse. Lots of people used this excuse for Bulldozer and other poor products . But from a technical perspective they are still poor no matter how cheap they are. Some cheap Pentium would win against all these higher end CPUs by this metric. Look in #14584, it's a perfect example. Unsurprisingly always the same people start this thread derailing.
 
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tamz_msc

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The price talk. From a technical perspective price doesn't matter, you could have whitewashed many poor CPUs and GPUs in the past and that's why it's a typical AMD excuse. Lots of people used this excuse for Bulldozer and other poor products . But from a technical perspective they are still poor no matter how cheap they are. Some cheap Pentium would win against all these higher end CPUs by this metric. Look in #14584, it's a perfect example.
That argument doesn't work with Zen. When performance is similar, the next thing that people consider is price.
 

Zucker2k

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I already beat a 7900x@ 6ghz using LN2 on Cinebench, why would I stoop to doing games ? TR is for productivity, not games anyway,
Yet AMD had them reviewed with games; recommended them to be reviewed with a 1080 TI over VEGA; even went to the trouble of implementing a "gaming mode" in the bios? That seems like a lot of trouble to go to for nothing, doesn't it? OR, just maybe AMD is pitching Threadripper as a gaming platform as well? Wouldn't you like to help shed some light on its strength and weaknesses in this area by taking up the challenge?

Also, since you've been so upbeat about Ryzen's gaming performance with 3600mhz RAM against Intel offerings, I was hoping you would showcase AMD's accomplishments in that area with your 4Ghz-capable Threadripper + 3600Mhz beast. Or you're going to limit your benchmarks to CB15?
 
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coffeeblues

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No, they are being used to support the argument that Skylake-X represents a performance regression in games, not that it's "unusable".

So you are going to use older results when newer information is available?

My understanding is that you're being awfully testy for some reason. Angry that a mainstream Intel product is going to upstage an HEDT Intel product?

The crux of my argument is that I'm responding to flawed logic and arguments. I've not updated to any recent hardware release, I'm on the wait for z390 train, not the wait for z370 train so my patience is rational, not emotional.

Not really. I just have to accept it as a highly-probable fact, since right now, the best gaming CPU in a lot of games is . . . Kabylake. So take Kabylake, keep clocks the same, give it two more cores and some more L3. BAM! Coffeelake. Which will be the best gaming CPU.

The same as highly-assumptive conclusion. Or a highly-probable win as opposed to highly-probable bet. Learn the difference between probability and fact, I don't care if you're a native English speaker, go get a dictionary and relearn the language. You don't seem to accept the difference between want and have, present and future, know and hope.

You do realize that deductive reasoning actually has meritorious applications, don't you?

You have managed to rationalize the conclusion without having any evidence to back it up which makes it a speculation and assumed a highly-probable fact which is an oxymoron in itself. I call it misleading instead of valuable.

So you honestly think the 8700k will be SLOWER than the 7700k? Because right now, the 7700k is still the top-dog gaming CPU. Not the 7900X or 7920X or anything else . . . 7700k. You can get a few games faster on Broadwell-E vs Kabylake at stock because of the massive L3, but the 8700k will go a long way towards mitigating that effect.

When you'll have gaming results (we won't have to wait for those for too long), I'll agree with you. Until then 8700k for top dog cpu is expectation, not a fact or conclusion or truth.

The reason I'm responding to this is because you can see this sort of argument pretty often. Zen3 5Ghz 7nm process for best gaming cpu ever. And while between Coffee and Zen3 we'll see one sooner than the other, it doesn't help when the thing from the future with no information is being dragged in to current evaluation of data, it is a distraction.
 
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