Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[Arachnotronic]

I agree, especially with the timing being this close. I originally thought that the Z370 being a essentially a Z270 was a negative, but in reality it should mean that the Z370 boards should be pretty solid from the get go (probably only needing patches for microcode updates).

Bingo. I don't know what the future compatibility situation will be, but if Z370 also works with Ice Lake (which should be another worthwhile jump due to more IPC, more cores, etc.), then that'd be gravy.

 

[Dayman1225]

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Intel-Core-i3-8350K/Rating/3935

8350K spotted on Userbenchmark

Motherboard: Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Gaming 7

 

[BigDaveX]

It would be fairly bizarre for Intel to bifurcate it's Xeon packaging production line to add a module to soldier '-X' CPUs. Not impossible, but bizarre (for, what is likely, a high speed line).

Aren't all new Xeons exclusive to LGA3647 going forward? That being the case, Intel wouldn't need to bifurcate anything; they can focus on soldering their LGA3647 chips, while having LGA2011 and LGA1151 make do with thermal paste.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Aren't all new Xeons exclusive to LGA3647 going forward? That being the case, Intel wouldn't need to bifurcate anything; they can focus on soldering their LGA3647 chips, while having LGA2011 and LGA1151 make do with thermal paste.

They could certainly do that.

 

[Topweasel]

Aren't all new Xeons exclusive to LGA3647 going forward? That being the case, Intel wouldn't need to bifurcate anything; they can focus on soldering their LGA3647 chips, while having LGA2011 and LGA1151 make do with thermal paste.

But the only CPUs that matter in that sense is the K and HEDT products. As long as the application is done right Intel leaves a decent headroom thermally for stock clocks.

 

[Ajay]

Aren't all new Xeons exclusive to LGA3647 going forward? That being the case, Intel wouldn't need to bifurcate anything; they can focus on soldering their LGA3647 chips, while having LGA2011 and LGA1151 make do with thermal paste.

OK, really, I'd have to see the production line to really know. And I haven't. You can be sure that packaging, risk engineers and accountants have - and we will get what makes the most sense for the company and the majority of their customers (of which, we are a small number).

OH, and I agree it sucks that K & X CPUs aren't soldiered and instead have lame IHS/TIMs that cause 10-20 degree C temp increases under load.

 

[raghu78]

I'm debating with myself whether I should go with a Ryzen 1800x or wait for the 8700k. I right now have an i7-4930k OC 4.4GHz and I'm wondering if the Ryzen 1800x at stock can beat my 4930k OC 4.4 GHz in lightly threaded games. I get 160 in Cinebench R15 single-threaded CPU benchmark which is about 5 points higher than what the 1800x gets at stock according to a review. Also based on what I read about people's experiences overclocking the 1800x, there seems not to be much headroom for overclocking so any overclock I can get from an 1800x won't make a noticeable difference than stock I presume. I don't know if my next upgrade should be 8 cores or a faster 6 core CPU with more and more apps using Vulkan and DX12 APIs. What if future games go straight to using 8 cores, still taking advantage of 6 cores but running even better with 8 cores or will the brute force of a fast 6 core CPU make up for it?

You are already having a very powerful 6 core Ivybridge-E CPU. If you are not in a hurry I would recommend you wait till Pinnacle Ridge launches in Q1 2018. Coffeelake vs Pinnacle Ridge would be a good contest. Intel still should have a 5-10% IPC lead. But the Intel clock lead might get reduced significantly So it all boils down to what clocks AMD get out of 14nm+ . AMD is likely to use either GF 14HPP or Samsung 14LPU. 14LPU brings a 15% speed gain vs 14LPP at iso power. So it would be good to wait and see what clocks a 2800x or 2700x run at for base/turbo and max OC . You are not running a slow CPU by any stretch of imagination. So take your time and pick the CPU which you like.. One thing is sure. 2018 is going to be more competitive than 2017 in desktop/notebook CPUs.

 

[Sweepr]

8th Gen Intel Core Processor Family (Coffee Lake-S) Possible Retail Pricing and Release Date

Here's the possible prices and release date for the new lineup, converted to USD and made the table below. I believe they come from a pre-launch listing, so a little gouging is expected. Also, hardware tends to be more expensive in Canada - Core i7-7700K's regular price in NCIX is $484.98 CAD and months after launch it's $429.99 CAD. MSRP should be very similar to the Kaby Lake-S models they are replacing.

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Disclaimer: Canadian pre-order prices converted to USD - Hardware is usually more expensive in Canada than in the US, same for pre-order vs launch

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[Arachnotronic]

8th Gen Intel Core Processor Family (Coffee Lake-S) Possible Pricing and Release Date

Here's the possible prices and release date for the new lineup, converted to USD and made the table below. I believe they come from a pre-launch listing, so a little gouging is expected. MSRP should be lower.

Nice pricing!

 

[DrMrLordX]

$484? Not sure that's really nice pricing there but they have to protect those margins. Considering how many people paid $400 or more for an i7-6700k (or 5775c, wow) it shouldn't pose a serious barrier to entry for i7 buyers.

 

[Sweepr]

$484? Not sure that's really nice pricing there but they have to protect those margins. Considering how many people paid $400 or more for an i7-6700k (or 5775c, wow) it shouldn't pose a serious barrier to entry for i7 buyers.

That's the exact same price Core i7-7700K cost in Canada at launch, and now 8 months later it's available for $430 (CAD) @ NCIX. So pricing is basically the same or very close to Kaby Lake.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

8th Gen Intel Core Processor Family (Coffee Lake-S) Possible Retail Pricing and Release Date

Here's the possible prices and release date for the new lineup, converted to USD and made the table below. I believe they come from a pre-launch listing, so a little gouging is expected. Also, hardware tends to be more expensive in Canada - Core i7-7700K's regular price in NCIX is $484.98 and months after launch it's $429.99 CAD. MSRP should be very similar to the Kaby Lake-S models they are replacing.

Not too bad for a 1:1 conversion to Euro's (like that's going to happen ha ha ha! More like 385 USD = 385(+) Euro). Release date is terrible though; so close, yet so far away - not close enough

The 16th is on a Saturday; extremely unlikely - more like impossible.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I totally just noticed that was CAD, oops! Okay that's not so bad at all then.

 

[VirtualLarry]

$385 USD is a bit steep, for the i7-8700K 6C/12T, when you can get a Ryzen 5 1600X for $230. Sure the Intel will clock higher, and that might be useful for games, but still.

Edit: At $300-$330, I could see it being viable at that price, but not $385.

 

[Sweepr]

$385 USD is a bit steep, for the i7-8700K 6C/12T, when you can get a Ryzen 5 1600X for $230. Sure the Intel will clock higher, and that might be useful for games, but still.

As explained above US MSRP should be lower because hardware in Canada is almost always more expensive, so expect <U$350. And why are you ignoring Core i5-8400? 6C/6T with better IPC than AMD's core, higher clocks out of the box at 3.8/4.0 GHz Turbo, includes an iGPU and apparently costs only U$188 in a pre-launch listing.

 

[Arachnotronic]

$484? Not sure that's really nice pricing there but they have to protect those margins. Considering how many people paid $400 or more for an i7-6700k (or 5775c, wow) it shouldn't pose a serious barrier to entry for i7 buyers.

Don't worry, margins for a 149mm^2 die being sold for >$300 are well above corporate average, even if you assume aggressive binning to get those frequencies.

 

[formulav8]

Last I heard CFL was end of year availability, is it still that time area? Not reviews but actual regulars being able to buy it?

 

[TahoeDust]

CFL should be mid september and the 8700k should be ~$350. 6c/12t that clock like a 7700k. IMC that will support 4000MHz+ memory like Sky-x.

Things are about to get shaken up again. The current value champ may not be that for long. Fun stuff.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Last I heard CFL was end of year availability, is it still that time area? Not reviews but actual regulars being able to buy it?

Sooner.

 

[formulav8]

So still no accurate or more precise time-frame yet?

 

[formulav8]

CFL should be mid september and the 8700k

Ah just saw your post, thanks for the info. Is Intel still looking to make persons buy a new mobo/chipset or will 270 based mobo's going to work?

 

[TahoeDust]

So still no accurate or more precise time-frame yet?

September 16th is the word on the street. We should know monday.

 

[TahoeDust]

Ah just saw your post, thanks for the info. Is Intel still looking to make persons buy a new mobo/chipset or will 270 based mobo's going to work?

From what I understand z270 will not be supporting CFL. It would be a surprise to a lot of people if it does.

 

[Arachnotronic]

So still no accurate or more precise time-frame yet?

Tail end of Q3/beginning of Q4.

 

[SPBHM]

well 8350K is effectively a 7600K for a lower price I think (if you OC), so a a nice price reduction;
it will be interesting to see how the 8600K compares to the 7700K.