So what is intel excuse is for no 200 mb support?
This is a great illustration of exactly what I have been seeing. My 7820x with 3600 CL16 T1 300 tRFC ram and the mesh at 3.2GHz will absolutely keep up with the 7700k in gaming.
Good stuff.
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/microarchitectures/kaby_lake#DieKabylake-R adds an IPU(Image Processing Unit) to the System Agent. IPU is present only in U and Y processors.
Chipwiki also shows us Kabylake has a layout change on the Unslice section. That's due to the media changes. Adding to why its not a stepping change.
I would be a bit surprised if Coffelake doesn't have layout changes in GPU(media improvements) or the CPU core(core improvements).
Amazing how the review sites that cater to hardcore enthusiasts didn't bother to test any of this stuff
Had an lol at this. Review sites that cater to "hardcore enthusiasts" basically don't exist in the CPU tweaking realm outside of what OEMs spoonfeed them in terms of enthusiast content.
And it doesn't look like Intel is paying/blackmailing as much as AMD this round to the reviewers so the reviewers are using that as leverage to shovel the hilariously incorrect "AMD Ryzen Great for Gaming!" spiel hoping to
1) hopefully not get blacklisted by AMD
and
2) hold out for more money from Intel.
If you remember back to bulldozer launch it happened the same way for the most part.
"Bulldozer is basically the same as 2600k for gaming, I mean look at these 1440p and 4k benchmarks on a GTX 580!, AND IT HAS MOAR COARS!"
Being the sort of line that appeared in most reviews.
Most reviewers are probably browning their pants and hoping that AMD doesn't blacklist them for reporting the truth.
Amazing how the review sites that cater to hardcore enthusiasts didn't bother to test any of this stuff
Did any reviewers test Vishera with uncore OC? It did help it a lot but I don't think reviews used it. It just isn't stock and that's what mainly matters - same with the 7900X uncore OC.
BTW, AnandTech tested Threadripper with 2400 MHz memory, despite it supporting 2666 MHz officially. It can even run 3200 MHz with XMP which is much less of an OC tweak than uncore overclocking is (which isn't even always stable at 3,2 GHz on the 7900X).
TL;DR I don't think you can cry that Intel has been given unfair treatment. AnandTech even withheld gaming benchmarks of Skylake-X because they were "weird" (read: slow, bad). Did they do that for Ryzen, Ryzen Threadripper, or anything AMD, to "wait till the numbers improve"? Don't think so.
Testing what overclocked uncore is a good topic for specialised article, but demanding for it to be applied for standard review is asking for special handicaps.
DigiTimes said:On August 21, Intel released its latest, eighth-generation processors, dubbed Kaby Lake Refresh*, with the first U series designed for 2-in-1 and ultra-thin notebooks, and the company is slated to debut its newest CPUs for desktops in October. Many notebook vendors, such as Dell, HP, Lenovo, Huawei, Samsung, Haier and Tsinghua Tongfang are gearing up for presenting their new notebook models adopting the new processors in September.
...While its seventh-generation Kaby Lake series and eighth-generation Coffee Lake series processors are manufactured on a 14nm process, Intel is expected to release the first Cannon Lake-based processors fabricated on a 10nm process by the end of 2017. Walker said that Intel is really at a transition stage in terms of the process architecture adopted for its CPU products, adding that while the 14nm process has already matured, Intel will come out with more products using 10nm process in 2018 to allow more choices for customers.
No one is asking for uncore investigation in initial review. Stock settings in reference designs should be reviewed, even if that benefits certain vendors who release their products with minor OC headroom.
What is missing is deeper dive later on, that is pushing performance envelope for chips. Ryzen would have benefitted from faster mem deep dive and so would Skylake and derivatives.
No worries tho, instead we will get a deep dive in some ARM chip vendor's "core": "I know it looks like A666 from ARM, but we have enhanced it by using larger cache option and secret sauce in heatspreader markings".
DigiTimes: Desktop Coffee Lake in October, Mobile Cannon Lake by the end of 2017
www.digitimes.com/news/a20170823PD200.html
Do you guys think that the new 300 mb requirement means that there will be at least a new iteration of CPUs that will work on these LGA1511 300 Chipset mbs?
I want to build a new rig and was waiting for this new cpus to be on a new socket / mb, i was not expecting it to be the same socket at all. I do not want to buy 8700k if its going to be the "last" on its socket.
Historically speaking, it's two gens per chipset.
100/200 series got SKL and KBL
300/400 series should get CFL/ICL.
Well that's the thing, will ICL REQUIRE 400 chipset and keep LGA1511? or not?
Historically, no socket has lasted more than 2 chipsets.
No idea, your guess is as good as mine.
No worries tho, instead we will get a deep dive in some ARM chip vendor's "core": "I know it looks like A666 from ARM, but we have enhanced it by using larger cache option and secret sauce in heatspreader markings".
Do you guys think that the new 300 mb requirement means that there will be at least a new iteration of CPUs that will work on these LGA1511 300 Chipset mbs?
I want to build a new rig and was waiting for this new cpus to be on a new socket / mb, i was not expecting it to be the same socket at all. I do not want to buy 8700k if its going to be the "last" on its socket.
That's what happens when all the tech money is going into cellphones. Review sites can only pretend for so long to care about desktop/HEDT.
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