Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

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dark zero

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I think they got scared when Intel beated expectations and AMD had to make a warning

AMD is so dead that no one cares on them. Even Zen will fail hard. The only thing I am worried is that there are no Celerons there.. Maybe Intel is moving them to the Atom tier at last?
 

ShintaiDK

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AMD is so dead that no one cares on them. Even Zen will fail hard. The only thing I am worried is that there are no Celerons there.. Maybe Intel is moving them to the Atom tier at last?

There is Skylake Celerons and Pentiums. Not sure how you could possible miss it.

 

jpiniero

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I doubt it will be mobile-only, but we'll see.

The rumor on Cannonlake is that they were going to doing something that would make the socket incompatible with Skylake. I actually kind of believe the rumors that it's been cancelled/ they will release a tweaked model (Icelake) instead.
 

jpiniero

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I'm seeing a new i3 class in there, t3 for skylake, maybe an unlocked cpu? Before anyone says there's no -k there the unlocked Pentium hasn't it too... one can dream

I was thinking of a triple core model (cut quad). If it was cut from the Skylake 4+4e that would really annoy AMD.
 

Sweepr

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Some bits from today's conference call and DigiTimes:

Thus, following Skylake, Intel is preparing to trot out a third 14-nanometer product with the simpler moniker "Lake." Lake is said to be built on the same foundation of Skylake but "with key performance enhancements."

A 10-nanometer model with the code name Cannon Lake is promised to follow during the second half of 2017.

In response to some push back from analysts and investors curious about the delay for the 10-nanometer edition, clarified that Intel hopes to bring the time frame back to two years eventually.

"Remember on all of these technologies, each one has kind of its own recipe of complexity and difficulty. 14 to 10, same thing that happened when 22 to 14," Krzanich remarked.

www.zdnet.com/article/intel-q2-2015-revenue-earnings-hardware-datacenters/#ftag=RSSbaffb68

While the ramp of “Grantley” and “Brickland” may be slower than expected, Intel said Wednesday that its data center group’s revenue for the second quarter of fiscal 2015 was $3.9 billion, up 5 per cent sequentially and up 10 per cent year-over-year. At least from financial point of view, Intel may not need to change its server roadmap.

Theoretically, new chips could boost demand for Intel-based servers. However, there are reports that certain customers are cancelling their orders of current-generation Intel Xeon-powered supercomputers in anticipation of machines based on “Skylake” chips. For example, the U.K.’s Met-office wants “Purley”-based supercomputers because of higher performance and energy efficiency.

“Skylake would mean higher processor rates and that means more FLOPS per watt – to an organization that’s compute-intensive, the more FLOPS we get per watt the better said Dave Underwood, deputy director of the Met Office high-performance computing (HPC) program.

www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anto...ell-chips-to-speed-up-arrival-of-xeon-skylake

According to a pre-publication "backgrounder" in DigiTimes, Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) is planning to release a new Surface tablet in October. Given that Microsoft already launched the Surface 3 this year based on Intel's (NASDAQ:INTC) Atom processor and Windows 8.1, it stands to reason that this next generation Surface will be the Surface Pro 4.

Based on this launch timing, it's possible to make some educated guesses as to what Microsoft will be bringing to the table with this next generation tablet.

When Intel launched its Broadwell family of low-power processors earlier this year, Microsoft ultimately chose not to launch a Surface Pro model using those chips. Instead, it kept selling tablets using Intel's older generation Haswell processors, apparently skipping Broadwell.

Intel has said that it plans to launch its next generation processors based on its Skylake architecture in the second half of 2015. Given that this next generation Surface Pro is reportedly coming in October -- which is in the fourth quarter of the year -- it seems pretty clear that the device will be powered by Skylake and not the older generation Broadwell.

www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/07/15/microsoft-corp-reportedly-launching-new-surface-ta.aspx
 

mikk

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Key performance enhancements doesn't sound like it is just a renamed Skylake.
 
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Key performance enhancements doesn't sound like it is just a renamed Skylake.

You said that it will have Gen 10 graphics, right? This brings not only better 3D performance, but it will have enhanced media/decode which is a pretty big deal for mainstream usages.

I bet the CPU core will basically be Skylake, though.
 

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Iris Pro Skylake-i3 at the same price point of Kaberi APU, will completely destroy AMD, I don't think there is anything stopping Intel on going for that.
 

dark zero

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Iris Pro Skylake-i3 at the same price point of Kaberi APU, will completely destroy AMD, I don't think there is anything stopping Intel on going for that.
By that time Bristol Ridge appears with stronger iGPU and with the advantage of DDR4.
 

Sweepr

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By that time Bristol Ridge appears with stronger iGPU and with the advantage of DDR4.

AMD itself is not very optimistic about this chip, they're predicting 15% faster than Carrizo (35W) at 3DMark 11. In other words, most likely slower than Skylake GT3e. A LGA version (35-65W TDP) of the Skylake 2C+3e SKU hitting mobile would hurt AMD badly and probably be small enough to sell below $200.

Skylake GT4e and Kabylake GT4e will play in a league of their own.
 
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tenks

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So kaby lake = "lake" ?

The quote refers to a "3rd 14nm" product". Broadwell 1st, Skylake 2nd, Kaby lake 3rd. So lake = kaby lake
 

Sweepr

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A bit more about the Surface Pro 4:

Theoretically should be called Surface Pro 4, this new flagship Windows is expected to be released in October - this is the message from Taiwan's technology site Electronic Times.

It is said that Surface Pro 4 will use "the same slim design, borders, and screen size are similar to the previous generation of products," but this new machine will be equipped with Intel's latest processor Skylake, as well as the largest capacity 256GB Samsung SSD solid state drive . Unknown other configuration information, including the price is not clear.

http://translate.google.com/transla...htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

So Skylake is pretty much a given.
I might get myself the low-end Core i3 model if Apple doesn't refresh iPad Air this year like rumours are indicating.

Also Krzanich talking about 10nm:

Remember on all of these technologies, each one has kind of its own recipe of complexity and difficulty; 14 to 10, same thing that happened when 22 to 14. The lithography is continuing to get more difficult as you try and scale and the number of multi-pattern steps you have to do is increasing. This is the longest period of time without a lithography node change. So we’re assuming 10-nanometers does not have EUV for our technology. That combined with just the other material science changes you do with the new technology.

We believe even with this 2017, our lead in Moore’s Law will not change dramatically. We believe we’ll continue to lead with roughly the same leadership position that we have today. We base that on, one, what really counts when I talk about 2017, that’s not samples, that’s not small volume. That’s converting over the Cannonlake and producing a large percentage of our CPUs in volume in the second half of 2017. So there’s a bit of definition. When we say — so at the second half of 2017, we’re talking about millions of units and large volumes.

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtrader...ceo-krzanich-defends-push-out-of-10-nanometer
 
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Sweepr

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From the transcript:

At 7-nanometer, we're trying to bring in EUV. Depending on the health of that, we could be at two years, we could be at 2.5 years, and that will change this answer. So we'll give more insight into this in the Q4 investor meeting.

To address this cadence, in the second half of 2016 we plan to introduce a third 14-nanometer product, code named Kaby Lake, built on the foundations of the Skylake micro-architecture but with key performance enhancements.

Does that confirm Skylake CPU cores? Key performance enhancements remains a mistery, I don't think they're talking (only) about the iGPU.

And while there were year-over-year declines in desktop and notebook volume, we saw record Core desktop mix due to growth in the high-end segment and record Core i7 mix overall for the PC business.

Intel high-end is a success.
 
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I know this is a technical forum, but it will be interesting to see how the stock price plays out. It took a jump based on exceeding the expected earnings, but overall, this seems like a *very* negative outlook. 10nm delay confirmed, 7nm timetable put in doubt, overall sales in 2015 revised downward, etc. Only thing that seems positive is the statement I saw somewhere that when they say 10nm in H2 2017 they mean volume availability, not just a trickle of products. But again, can they deliver on that? Seems like just delay after delay, and not only that, but the new nodes dont seem to be bringing much improvement anyway.

And I would argue that the "record Core i7" mix does in fact confirm that there is demand for a mainstream hex core, and that having one would lead to a lot more users upgrading.
 
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Well, the competition (ARM and Apple, not AMD) is already "outperforming" in that they have the entire phone market and intel is still losing money trying to break into tablets (which are probably past their peak anyway), much less phones.

And I came back to edit my previous post, but will just say it here: 14nm Atom seems to me to be a complete disaster. Huge increase in igp, when what they needed was better cpu performance.

All these delays and mediocre improvements except in igp are coming at the worst possible time for intel to try to make inroads into ARM/Apple territory.
 
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