Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[Sweepr]

Well, the competition (ARM and Apple, not AMD) is already "outperforming" in that they have the entire phone market and intel is still losing money trying to break into tablets (which are probably past their peak anyway), much less phones.

And I came back to edit my previous post, but will just say it here: 14nm Atom seems to me to be a complete disaster. Huge increase in igp, when what they needed was better cpu performance.

All these delays and mediocre improvements except in igp are coming at the worst possible time for intel to try to make inroads into ARM/Apple territory.

Cherry Trail was always meant to be that, basically a short-lived shrink that fixes the relatively weak graphics performance. The problem is that this was meant to be a late 2014 product and we should have Broxton (new microarchitecture) by now. Intel needs to improve their execution here.

Rumour says Intel is backing away from contra revenue for tablets.

 

[moonbogg]

I read that a new roadmap shows broadwell-E coming this year/Q1. Maybe they will go ahead and give Haswell-E people the option to buy it, yet still release Skylake-E with a new platform fairly soon? One can hope. I am counting on Skylake-E to be the new heart of my rig.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Cherry Trail was always meant to be that, basically a short-lived shrink that fixes the relatively weak graphics performance. The problem is that this was meant to be a late 2014 product and we should have Broxton (new microarchitecture) by now. Intel needs to improve their execution here.

Rumour says Intel is backing away from contra revenue for tablets.

Well, the problem is, I have a Bay Trail tablet, and tried for kicks to run a few old games on it. From what I could tell, even with the anemic BT gpu, I was still cpu limited. The game was Galactic Battlegrounds, though, so that might be more demanding on the cpu than a lot of games. It actually played decently, except that you need to add a mouse and keyboard, and then you might as well use a laptop. So I dont know in what scenario you could use all the extra gpu power. Something like 20% cpu improvement and whatever they could add to gpu would have been nice. As it is, we got equal or poorer cpu and lots of gpu.

 

[Sweepr]

I read that a new roadmap shows broadwell-E coming this year/Q1. Maybe they will go ahead and give Haswell-E people the option to buy it, yet still release Skylake-E with a new platform fairly soon? One can hope. I am counting on Skylake-E to be the new heart of my rig.

There's also the possibility that this roadmap is older than their decision to cancel Broadwell-E/EP/EX. From yesterday:

The British weather service has Announced it will delay installation of the last of a three-supercomputer package it bought last year so it can get one running the upcoming "Skylake" version of Intel's Xeon processors. "

No mention of Xeon Broadwell.

 

[cantholdanymore]

I read that a new roadmap shows broadwell-E coming this year/Q1. Maybe they will go ahead and give Haswell-E people the option to buy it, yet still release Skylake-E with a new platform fairly soon? One can hope. I am counting on Skylake-E to be the new heart of my rig.

Yes, I'm hoping for this too.

 

[maddogchen]

don't know if this has been answered, but any idea when they'll roll out a skylake replacement for the current i7 5820k?

 

[ShintaiDK]

don't know if this has been answered, but any idea when they'll roll out a skylake replacement for the current i7 5820k?

2017 it seems.

 

[moonbogg]

2017 it seems.

Stop talking like that. It makes me want to cry.

 

[dark zero]

Well, the competition (ARM and Apple, not AMD) is already "outperforming" in that they have the entire phone market and intel is still losing money trying to break into tablets (which are probably past their peak anyway), much less phones.

And I came back to edit my previous post, but will just say it here: 14nm Atom seems to me to be a complete disaster. Huge increase in igp, when what they needed was better cpu performance.

All these delays and mediocre improvements except in igp are coming at the worst possible time for intel to try to make inroads into ARM/Apple territory.

If 14 nm is a dissaster, SoFIA is the Apocalypse then... Very few design wins and the performance of their lowest chip is a True disaster

 

[shady28]

This actually is starting to form up part of a definitive trend, and I'm not really talking about just Intel here.

20nm fail for AMD. Apple and Qualcomm using it for SoCs. There's not really anything on 14/16nm yet, just rumors and such about the Snapdragon 820.

TSMC announced a new 22nm hp-c process...

I get the impression that this market has smacked into the wall of maturity. 'Maturity' where differentiating one product from another becomes increasingly a game of marketing and less one of tangible differences. That usually signals an impending shake-out or paradigm shift.

 

[utahraptor]

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...ng-kaby-lake-processor-as-moores-law-falters/

The message seems to be Skylake is for suckers. Makes me want to stick it out another year with Ivy Bridge. Maybe 1 year from now video cards will actually do 4K.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yep. It hits everyone.

The main issue is the expanded timeframe needed.

Example:

What could be done in ~109 weeks with 28nm needs ~171 weeks with 14nm.

 

[tech960]

20nm fail for AMD. Apple and Qualcomm using it for SoCs. There's not really anything on 14/16nm yet, just rumors and such about the Snapdragon 820.

Samsung is doing 14nm with their Exynos 7420 SoC, and have been for months, even before Intel. Rumor is they might make wafers for Nvidia and Qualcomm, which is hard to believe but time will tell.

Also rumor is Note 5 will make your morning espresso for you.

 

[ehume]

Where does Samsung's 14nm fit between Intel's 22nm and 14nm?

 

[cytg111]

The British weather service ... "Skylake" version of Intel's Xeon processors.

.. AVX-512 being the major factor?

 

[cytg111]

Stop talking like that. It makes me want to cry.

Dont worry, you can have an 8C/16T Zen next year that'll be a nice upgrade to your existing rig.

 

[Sweepr]

Dont worry, you can have an 8C/16T Zen next year that'll be a nice upgrade to your existing rig.

Summit Ridge is a Q4-2016 product, Skylake-E might as well be available by then, especially if server Broadwell was cancelled. That will be a nice upgrade for sure, while Zen is nothing but hype and a fancy PowerPoint presentation just many other 'killer' AMD products, better wait for the actual tests.

.. AVX-512 being the major factor?

I guess so.

 

[Sweepr]

MSI's shinny new LGA1151 motherboard. Kind of cheesy but I liked it.

MSI Unveils Z170A Gaming Pro Motherboard – Full RGB LEDs Illuminated PCB With 16.5 Million Colors

The MSI Z170A Gaming Pro features the LGA 1151 socket that is powered by a 8-Pin connector while the board itself is powered by the 24-Pin ATX connector. The first thing we notice from the design of this board is that it falls in the extended ATX category since the PCB is extended to the right to make room for the fully illuminated RGB LEDs strip that runs from top to bottom of the board. The board features a nice red and black color layout with three heatsinks cooling off the 8 Phase VRM and the Z170 PCH. The The most notable thing about the Pro gaming motherboard is the RGB LED strip which allows users to choose from 16.5 Million colors and 8 different LED effects.

Aside from the fancy details adopted by the Z170A Gaming Pro, the motherboard comes with four DDR4 DIMM slots that can support up to 64 GB of capacity with speeds of 3300 MHz (O.C+). Expansion options include two PCI-e 3.0 x16, two PCI-e 3.0 x1 and three legacy PCI slots. There are not M.2 ports on this motherboard but MSI is designing gaming boards which will make use of up to two Turbo M.2 slots with performance rated up to 64 GB/s in transfer speeds ensuring the best possible performance from NVMe SSDs. Other features include Game Boost dial which ensures better clock speed boost while gaming and MSI LAN Protect that has 15KV anti-surge protection. Storage options on this motherboard include 6 SATA III 6 GB/s ports and a single SATA Express port. There’s the MSI Audio Boost chip allocated to its own isolated PCB. Internal USB headers include two USB 2.0 and a single USB 3.0 header.

http://wccftech.com/msi-unveils-z17...l-rgb-leds-illuminated-pcb-165-million-colors

 

[Sweepr]

Skylake Chromebooks coming soon:

www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Skylake-Intel-SoC-Coreboot

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

None of these motherboards seem to have a U.2 port.

 

[Revolver31]

Well i'm not impressed guys,

65mil colors Really? why?
No dragon logo and on a gaming board?
extended atx in a world where everything is getting smaller? (this will have to change soon i think)
i always liked the red & black but 8 phase vrm i'm not sure but were a lot of boards not 12 phase last year is more not better and esp on a gaming board.
no need for all the legacy really.
I do love the color, the surge protection and msi stuff in general but i would have prefered 8 sata's given the board size & how easy it is to have several ssd in any given system taking very little space plus with no m2 ports.

These are some of the reasons i chose asus for my mobo last year i hope msi has something better up there sleeve or it maybe an asus z170 for me this yr.

 

[Sweepr]

Some new Skylake Geekbench scores (Skylake-Y?):
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2987670
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2994380
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2994443
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2994476

Old stepping though.

Intel Core i5-6300HQ @ 2.30 GHz (Skylake-H):
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2974596

 

[Wreckem]

None of these motherboards seem to have a U.2 port.

And you probably won't see one until the next HEDT platform for Skylake-E. Its possible that Asus may put one on some of their unannounced boards as they were the first with M.2 but I wouldn't hold my breath.

You will continue to see M.2 to U.2 adapters.

 

[hemedans]

Some new Skylake Geekbench scores (Skylake-Y?):
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2987670
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2994380
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2994443
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2994476

Old stepping though.

Intel Core i5-6300HQ @ 2.30 GHz (Skylake-H):
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2974596

Is i5 6300HQ for laptop? Interesting to see i5 quad

 

[jpiniero]

Is i5 6300HQ for laptop? Interesting to see i5 quad

That is what it looks like. There's also i3 H which are cut down to 2 cores. Given Skylake's big improvement at 35 W that's actually quite nice. Then again, the lowest 35 W desktop model (i5 6400) is 2.2 -> 2.8 so 2.3 base is kind of lousy given how much it'll be.