Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[IntelUser2000]

Left: AMD Zen advancements, Right: Intel Atom advancements

I think its very interesting what happens after the "Big One". AMD is described but for Intel the big gain is in 2013, which must be Silvermont. Airmont is a tiny one in comparison(which turned out to be zero actually) and a slightly bigger one in 2015, which should be Goldmont.

Interestingly, with Core products the "Big One" must have been Sandy Bridge. Ever since they are pretty much crawling.

I think if Zen "fails" it'll only be because it'll be slightly less than Intel parts, rather than the big gap they had. Even process, its plausible that Intel has a lead but in a few years(maybe even in the 14/16nm generation) that it'll be far smaller than we're used to.

The upside is that it means for average users all products are pretty much an equally good option.

 

[Dave2150]

Has anyone else noticed the distinct lack of dual-channel DDR4 memory kits?

I'd assumed that they would be available by the bucket load a few weeks before Skylake/Z170 release.

For example, in the UK, most popular retailers only stock quad-channel (4 DIMM) kits.

I was hoping we'd have a good selection of 16GB (2x8GB) and 32GB (2x16GB) kits to choose from :S

 

[Burpo]

$6.15 per Gb here..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...Pwbuhj3SLjL094h-3cnJYaAv2c8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[moonbogg]

$6.15 per Gb here..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...Pwbuhj3SLjL094h-3cnJYaAv2c8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

That's not bad at all. By the time Skylake-E hits the cost of Ram won't be an issue anymore.

 

[StrangerGuy]

That's not bad at all. By the time Skylake-E hits the cost of Ram won't be an issue anymore.

The usual "DDR4 is uber expensive" is already a debunked myth when its already at parity with DDR3...With DDR4 prices settled one is crazy not to get at least a 5820K+X99 if they want to splurge on a $200+ mobo.

 

[crashtech]

If Broadwell-E looks like it might be more reality than fantasy, I might make the leap. But given the recent sluggish (nonexistent in the US) Broadwell-DT rollout, the future of X99 doesn't look too certain.

 

[Arachnotronic]

If Broadwell-E looks like it might be more reality than fantasy, I might make the leap. But given the recent sluggish (nonexistent in the US) Broadwell-DT rollout, the future of X99 doesn't look too certain.

I think we will see BDW-E in Q1 2016.

 

[escrow4]

The usual "DDR4 is uber expensive" is already a debunked myth when its already at parity with DDR3...With DDR4 prices settled one is crazy not to get at least a 5820K+X99 if they want to splurge on a $200+ mobo.

Less on the mobo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157543

Asrock's X99 Extreme 4 (I use one) is a standard no frills choice with the ports you want, only $181 after rebate. Stable too.

 

[crashtech]

I think we will see BDW-E in Q1 2016.

You think? :\

 

[tenks]

BDW-E was reconfirmed in the newest Intel roadmaps for 2016 Q1. The delay of that really made rethink the x99 platform. But SKL-E seems so far away!


Also DDR4 prices have fallen dramatically. I've been following them since Haswell-E launch and the kit I've been interested was $599. Now its $239. ddr4-2600 32gb cl15

 

[Sweepr]

BDW-E was reconfirmed in the newest Intel roadmaps for 2016 Q1. The delay of that really made rethink the x99 platform. But SKL-E seems so far away!


Also DDR4 prices have fallen dramatically. I've been following them since Haswell-E launch and the kit I've been interested was $599. Now its $239. ddr4-2600 32gb cl15

I'm still not entirely convinced about Broadwell-E. We've had some rumours about big Broadwell cancellation and companies skipping Haswell-EP for Skylake-EP (Purley), probably after that roadmap was created. We need a Q3-2015/Q3-2016 roadmap.

I'd rather have Broadwell-E and Skylake-E in 2016, I just hope early 2016 Broadwell-E doesn't mean we won't see Skylake-E till far into 2017 (if it exists).

 

[dark zero]

Waiting to see the DDR4 fall even more... maybe with Zen the DDR4 will go to a new low.

 

[Dave2150]

Waiting to see the DDR4 fall even more... maybe with Zen the DDR4 will go to a new low.

In 10 years time, it will be even lower. Wait for that.

 

[stockwiz]

tired of rebates. Either they give the money off on the spot or I pass. Never dealing with rebates again.

 

[frozentundra123456]

In 10 years time, it will be even lower. Wait for that.

Well, in 10 years, it will probably be no longer in use and expensive. But your point is valid that Zen will have little effect on DDR4 prices. By the time Zen comes out, skylake using DDR4 will have been on the market for a year or more, already driving down DDR4 prices as far as they are going to go. Plus Zen at least initially with no IGP, will most certainly be a niche product, not sold in large enough volumes to drive the market for DDR4.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Well, in 10 years, it will probably be no longer in use and expensive. But your point is valid that Zen will have little effect on DDR4 prices. By the time Zen comes out, skylake using DDR4 will have been on the market for a year or more, already driving down DDR4 prices as far as they are going to go. Plus Zen at least initially with no IGP, will most certainly be a niche product, not sold in large enough volumes to drive the market for DDR4.

Zen will not have any impact at all on DDR4 prices, simply because AMD marketshare is counted in single low digits already.

 

[Phynaz]

So far i did find a single one with a Broadwell scoring 2.8 and being at 15W, indeed it s no wonder that you re not prodviding the link of the scores you posted, i guess that power numbers must be really annoying, am i wrong..??.

You are deluding yourself by using numbers that you know are not at all relevant, provide the links rather than hiding behind wall of arrogant texts and products that do not exists...

I knew you couldn't last long not trolling in an Intel thread.

 

[Sweepr]

I think if Zen "fails" it'll only be because it'll be slightly less than Intel parts, rather than the big gap they had. Even process, its plausible that Intel has a lead but in a few years(maybe even in the 14/16nm generation) that it'll be far smaller than we're used to.

The upside is that it means for average users all products are pretty much an equally good option.

After the disappointing Carrizo results some people are going nuts trying to find excuses, AMD has a long record of underdelivering so it's important to keep expectations under control.
There is no Zen APU till 2017, when Intel will transition to 10nm.

 

[crashtech]

tired of rebates. Either they give the money off on the spot or I pass. Never dealing with rebates again.

I'm with you, it's not worth my time to jump through all the hoops for money that may never come.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I'm with you, it's not worth my time to jump through all the hoops for money that may never come.

I have had surprisingly good luck with rebates. I send in a fair number of them and can't recall an instance when I didn't get my money/prepaid gift card...eventually

 

[ClockHound]

I'm with you, it's not worth my time to jump through all the hoops for money that may never come.

Hoop jumping??? It was bad enough performing the excited puppy dance with the mandatory vaudeville pratfalls, never mind the six month cooling off period. I might be a cheapskate with self-esteem issues, but hoop jumping is a bargain hurdle too high, even for my low standards.

Last rebate I had was for an EVGA 750G2. I felt like it was a great deal with the price matching - the $20 rebate would have cheapened the deal. Actually would have paid more for the G2. So I did.

 

[Sweepr]

Less on the mobo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157543

Asrock's X99 Extreme 4 (I use one) is a standard no frills choice with the ports you want, only $181 after rebate. Stable too.

Quite cheap, glad to see enthusiast 6C/12C Haswell-E systems becoming more accessible. That's as close as we will get to a mainstream hexa-core for the time being.

 

[Sweepr]

Talking about motherboards:

ASUS has had a pretty admirable history of always ignoring Intel’s official specifications of their LGA sockets and introducing their exclusive revisions. While this is a risky move which can result in compatibility and stability problems, they have managed to pull it off successfully in the past with their “OC Socket”. As the introduction of the LGA 1151 draws closer, history is repeating itself with the Z170 ASUS Deluxe Socket (via Benchlife.info).

As many of you will know LGA stands for Land Grid Array, while the succeeding number depicts the amount of pins the socket has. As such, I have always found it kind of funny that ASUS tends to call its non-Intel specified sockets the same as the Intel counterparts. For eg, the LGA 1151 Deluxe Socket from ASUS, does not have 1151 pins, rather quite a few more. Given below is the official 1151 specifications that Add in Board Partners are to adhere to:

The motherboard manufacturers are supposed to place a pin for every pad present on the processor. In the case of Skylake-S processors, this number is exactly 1151. This is why most LGA 1151 sockets will have exactly 1151 pins – that is, except ASUS. In the case of the X99 OC Socket, the move was supposed to bring higher stability while overclocking and better power management to the processor.

http://benchlife.info/asus-z170-mot...cket-like-x99-but-no-function-for-it-07252015

 

[Sweepr]

How about pairing one of them with your brand new Z170 Skylake-S system?

http://benchlife.info/intel-ssd-dc-p3608-will-release-in-q3-07252015

I'm still happy with my Samsung 840 Pro.

 

[Fjodor2001]

R/W power consumption 25-50 W for an SSD...