Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[RampantAndroid]

Z170 has no VT-d support.... :-/

 

[crashtech]

Z170 has no VT-d support.... :-/

Probably limited to the Q series this time around?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Z170 has no VT-d support.... :-/

Got any links to that? Because Z87 and Z97 supports VT-D. And there is nothing pointing to Z170 not doing the same.

 

[phillyman36]

Got any links to that? Because Z87 and Z97 supports VT-D. And there is nothing pointing to Z170 not doing the same.

I know I have read that somewhere myself but cant seem to find it. This is all I found

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1151

 

[tenks]

I'm still not entirely convinced about Broadwell-E. We've had some rumours about big Broadwell cancellation and companies skipping Haswell-EP for Skylake-EP (Purley), probably after that roadmap was created. We need a Q3-2015/Q3-2016 roadmap.

I'd rather have Broadwell-E and Skylake-E in 2016, I just hope early 2016 Broadwell-E doesn't mean we won't see Skylake-E till far into 2017 (if it exists).

It was in the most recent roadmap from last month with the updated skylake/kabylake/canonlake news. I thought you or Shintai posted it?

*ignore the red square*

 

[escrow4]

Talking about motherboards:

http://benchlife.info/asus-z170-mot...cket-like-x99-but-no-function-for-it-07252015

Yes Asus's OC socket that fries your chip. See their X99 boards and threads online. GREAT!.

 

[mikk]

It was in the most recent roadmap from last month with the updated skylake/kabylake/canonlake news. I thought you or Shintai posted it?

This Roadmap is from Q1 at best, pretty old. The BDW-E cancellation was a recent change if true, means this old Roadmap can't reflect this.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Yes Asus's OC socket that fries your chip. See their X99 boards and threads online. GREAT!.

I honestly don't know what ASUS is playing at with a socket with "moar pins."

If the socket needed more pins, Intel would have specified the socket as such.

 

[nenforcer]

Waiting to see the DDR4 fall even more... maybe with Zen the DDR4 will go to a new low.

I'm also waiting until next year after AMD has thrown all of their cards on the table before making a decision on which DDR4 platform to go with X99 Haswell-E or Broadwell-E or Skylake-E / Z170 Skylake or Kaby Lake / Zen AM4.

I suspect prices may not be much lower but there may be some faster memory than the typical 2666 chips on the market now.

 

[Sweepr]

Intel to adopt Skylake CPUs in NUC and Compute Stick solutions

Intel is planning to upgrade its Compute Stick and NUC solutions to feature Skylake processors starting October and Elitegroup Computer Systems (ECS), Gigabyte Computer, Asustek Computer and ASRock are expected to launch related products. Intel is also expected to launch related end products.

Despite weak PC demand, sales for the Compute Stick and NUC have been rising continuously. Seeing the mini PC segment's potential, Intel is set to release solutions with its new Core m5/m3 processors codenamed Cedar City in the fourth quarter for the Compute Stick product line.

The new Compute Stick will feature 4GB of memory, 64GB of storage space and support Ultra HD resolutions. The solution using the Core m3-6Y30 processor, which is set to release in October, will have with Windows 10, while the solution using the Core m5-6Y57 vPro processor, will not come with a pre-installed operating system. In the first quarter of 2016, Intel is planning to launch inexpensive Atom x5 processors.

In November, Intel will launch two Skylake-based processors codenamed Swift Canyon, specifically for the NUC segment and will release high-end Core i7 processors at the end of the first quarter 2016 to improve the product line's specifications and functions.

Currently, NUC is seeing stable demand in Japan, China, Southeast Asia, Latin America and Europe.

www.digitimes.com/news/a20150727PD210.html

 

[ShintaiDK]

I know I have read that somewhere myself but cant seem to find it. This is all I found

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1151

And that ones is blatantly wrong like wiki tends to be. They link 2 sources, none of them talk about VT.

 

[phillyman36]

And that ones is blatantly wrong like wiki tends to be. They link 2 sources, none of them talk about VT.

That's all I could find, it was in a slide show but I don't remember where I saw it. Perhaps ampantAndroid can provide a link.

 

[Khato]

Got any links to that? Because Z87 and Z97 supports VT-D. And there is nothing pointing to Z170 not doing the same.

Actually they don't support it in the same way Z170 doesn't:
Z97 - http://ark.intel.com/products/82012
Z87 - http://ark.intel.com/products/75013

 

[ShintaiDK]

Actually they don't:
Z97 - http://ark.intel.com/products/82012
Z87 - http://ark.intel.com/products/75013

They do:
http://blog.kihltech.com/2014/12/vt...tion_asrock_z97_extreme6_intel_core_i7_4790k/

 

[Sweepr]

Interesting, the Carrizo A10 8700P notebook tested by NBC managed only 1510 points @ 3DMark 11 Performance. Even if it was set at 15W TDP (a bit strange for a 17'' notebook where thermal headroom and battery sizes are not exactly an issue) that's still considerably slower AMD's marketing slides:

AMD's Marketing

Actual OEM Notebook
www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-R6-Carrizo-Benchmarks.144290.0.html

I wonder what went wrong going from the AMD seal of approval reference platform to the actual OEM notebook? This has left me a bit worried, after the disappointing CPU performance I was expecting at least a significant graphics performance advantage. Skylake-U GT2 could score north of 1650 points (dual-channel) if the estimates prove to be true and there's a Skylake-U GT3e SKU coming too.

 

[Sweepr]

Some DDR4 price analysis from Euroland:
www.pcgameshardware.de/RAM-Hardware-154108/News/DDR4-Skylake-Preise-1165869

 

[ShintaiDK]

Interesting, the Carrizo A10 8700P notebook tested by NBC managed only 1510 points @ 3DMark 11 Performance. Even if it was set at 15W TDP (a bit strange for a 17'' notebook where thermal headroom and battery sizes are not exactly an issue) that's still considerably slower AMD's marketing slides

I think we all know what went "wrong" :biggrin:

 

[mikk]

Interesting, the Carrizo A10 8700P notebook tested by NBC managed only 1510 points @ 3DMark 11 Performance. Even if it was set at 15W TDP (a bit strange for a 17'' notebook where thermal headroom and battery sizes are not exactly an issue) that's still considerably slower AMD's marketing slides:

Maybe it's running in single channel mode.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Some DDR4 price analysis from Euroland:
www.pcgameshardware.de/RAM-Hardware-154108/News/DDR4-Skylake-Preise-1165869

Thats an extremely good development. One has to remember the USD/EUR exchange rate that would put an up pressure on price.

From 180 to 100 euro in 5 months.

 

[ShintaiDK]

BCLK OC of non K Skylake CPUs.

 

[Sweepr]

Bomb: Intel Skylake Non-K Processors Will Feature Overclocking Support With Adjustable BCLK, Memory and iGPU OC

With just a week left in Intel’s Skylake platform launch, we have received information from Benchlife that the standard Non-K (Unlocked) chips will feature overclocking support. While the first round of processors will be based around the Z170 chipset and K-Series, Core i7-6700K and Core i5-6600K processors, the rest of the line which is expected to debut a few weeks later will feature several regular (locked) and low TDP processors.

Such sockets are already confirmed for the LGA 1151 socket that is going to feature support for Skylake chips and ASUS already has several boards prepped with custom socket designs that offer better overclock, stable performance than the regular LGA 1151 socket.

Also coming back with the Z170 chipset is support for overclocking on Non-K chips. Since there are going to be several processors in the line that aren’t going to feature full overclocking support, motherboards will allow tweaking as much as possible in the form on BCLK adjustments. Of course, the range to which this BCLK can be adjusted will solely depend on the motherboard maker but overall, Z170 chipsets will offer the best overclock performance even for locked chips. The news goes off to tell how Intel is fully allowing custom boards, not just in terms of design but also socket designs and fully overclocking support BIOS’s.

http://benchlife.info/non-k-cpu-can...lake-platform-will-better-than-last-07272015/
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-n...adjustable-bclk-memory-igpu-oc/#ixzz3h6rD1PVm

Edit: Damn you're fast Shintai.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Z170 has no VT-d support.... :-/

What? That's F'ing ridiculous! So much for using SKL for an unRAID server. Time to go with AMD for me, I guess.

 

[mikk]

I'm not sure if this is true because it's an ES model in the screenshot (Stepping 1/Q0 Stepping). Even the CPUz 6400T readout could be wrong. Or the BCLK OC restriction wasn't in place in early ES models.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Bomb: Intel Skylake Non-K Processors Will Feature Overclocking Support With Adjustable BCLK, Memory and iGPU OC

Well, that's a plus... I think. The picture has a CPU with "@ 2.2" in it's name string, but it's "overclocked" to 2.0, using a 133BCLK. I would be more impressed, if it were actually overclocked higher than it's normal locked limit. I don't see an advantage, to simply overclocking BCLK, if the CPU itself can't go over its locked limit.

 

[Abwx]

Interesting, the Carrizo A10 8700P notebook tested by NBC managed only 1510 points @ 3DMark 11 Performance. Even if it was set at 15W TDP (a bit strange for a 17'' notebook where thermal headroom and battery sizes are not exactly an issue) that's still considerably slower AMD's marketing slides:

AMD's Marketing


Actual OEM Notebook
www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-R6-Carrizo-Benchmarks.144290.0.html


I wonder what went wrong going from the AMD seal of approval reference platform to the actual OEM notebook? This has left me a bit worried, after the disappointing CPU performance I was expecting at least a significant graphics performance advantage. Skylake-U GT2 could score north of 1650 points (dual-channel) if the estimates prove to be true and there's a Skylake-U GT3e SKU coming too.

Dont bother too much for AMD and with those half baked reviews, Skylake-U GT2 will be barely competitive with the lower Carrizo SKU, while Skylake-U GT3e SKU can do nothing to help in those power limited environment, and its lower GPU perf/Watt wont help as well.

That is of course if these chips are released in a previsible time frame, so far they promise more of the same, wich is not exactly a relief for some people when thinking twice about it..

Following the upcoming release of desktop Skylake processors at Gamescom in Germany in August, Intel's Skylake processors for notebooks will start showing up in October. The CPU giant is planning to launch a total of 18 notebook Skylake processors in the fourth quarter

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150722PD213.html

So same shedule as the DT parts apparently, with probably the same precision in the timing...