Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

[CHADBOGA]

Nothing to do with being paranoid, I just do not find you very intelligent, and you have made condescending remarks in the past. So I did not want your feedback. I think your attitude in this thread just confirmed my suspicions.

You can't even decide on what cpu to get, how lacking in intelligence must you be?

 

[ioni]

There is a big i7-6700k and i5-6600k (ES) test in PCGH magazine which I received today. As of the editorial deadline Intel didn't sample them with official informations and therefore no NDA was signed.

CPU performance is nothing special to be honest, in most games ~5% faster than Haswell. Battlefield 4 runs slower, possibly a game bug. x264 on i7-6700k 13-14% faster than i7-4790k. iGPU results are mixed with 1-2 driver issues (WoW crashed, Skyrim some odd slowdowns) but I think there is potential, similar to Ivy Bridge when it launched. It is obvious this is an overhauled Genx. 24 bit/32 bit IOPS in AIDA64 improved from 46 GIOPS to 153 GIOPS.

Single Precision computing power as expected not much difference 414 Gflops vs 459 Gflops measured from Aida64 (20% more EUs but also 100 Mhz slower GPU clock). Nevertheless there are big improvements in some games they did test, clearly a Genx overhaul.

BCLK will be possible on non-K CPUs and another good thing, CPU load temperature lower than Haswell.

I don't suppose you can post some pictures of the review?

 

[crashtech]

When I have to buy one, I can just as well go the full length.

That is true. Just for the record, my experience with Intel coolers has been very positive. The copper cored models in particular cool adequately, and the fans are very quiet at idle and almost never fail. So in a space constrained setup, a stock cooler would actually be preferable to me, because their behavior is known, compared to low-profile designs that have a small user base and hence less data available regarding reliability.

Obviously you will get what you think is best, but for other interested parties with space constraints, don't be so quick to write off the stock HSF, of which there are many cheap new spares in the market. Just be sure to get the higher capacity copper based one!

/OT

 

[ShintaiDK]

Oh I wish it had a stock cooler. But the price of buying a 95W stock cooler on the side here in Denmark. Then I can just get an even better one.

 

[ehume]

Cooler with a board?

I worry if they will actually fit. Plus the issue getting cables around them and such.

http://iforce.co.nz/i/xdpj5zzu.m3v.png
http://img.techpowerup.org/131101/Capture051.jpg
This for example doesnt look like something I want.

Check out this review. I think you don't need tall RAM. So it should fit. I wish Noctua built an NH-L14.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Check out this review. I think you don't need tall RAM. So it should fit. I wish Noctua built an NH-L14.

Thanks, I will take that cooler into consideration too. Looks like a good candidate.

Ye, memory will just be standard kind stuff.

 

[cytg111]

You can't even decide on what cpu to get, how lacking in intelligence must you be?

Well, you know

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37101443&postcount=248

What goes around .. Me, I think you two deserve eachother Get a room allready hehe

 

[Dislikeyou]

With a 6700K I need to buy a cooler. Its been a long time since.

Thinking on this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118126
http://www.zalman.com/global/product/Product_Read.php?Idx=468

Since it needs to fit in ITX case too. And it looks very good, good cooling, very silent.

Unless, anyone else got better idea?

I will be bulding Skylake ITX with same CPU and will go with Noctua NH-U12P SE2, it seems really quiet and nice.

https://youtu.be/V3dfnFk8JkQ?t=292

Edit: Missed the fact that you can only have a 117cm heatsink in your case.

The this should be a good cooler? http://www.ebuyer.com/666087-cryorig-c1-top-flow-amd-and-intel-processor-cooler-cr-c1a

 

[richierich1212]

I will be bulding Skylake ITX with same CPU and will go with Noctua NH-U12P SE2, it seems really quiet and nice.

https://youtu.be/V3dfnFk8JkQ?t=292

Looks too tall, especially for his case.

 

[Dislikeyou]

If the EVGA Z170 Stinger got a M.2 slot on the back for SSD. (There is a M.2 riser on the front for Wifi next to the battery). Then its no competition, I will get the EVGA Z170 Stinger.

However if it doesnt, then I have no idea yet what I will do. Either another mobo with the features I wish, or a compromise.

I was thinking about that board too but read on EVGA forums about Z97 Stinger, people are having weird problems. BIOS is buggy, system is unstable etc, not only Stinger but all EVGA boards.

 

[tential]

That is true. Just for the record, my experience with Intel coolers has been very positive. The copper cored models in particular cool adequately, and the fans are very quiet at idle and almost never fail. So in a space constrained setup, a stock cooler would actually be preferable to me, because their behavior is known, compared to low-profile designs that have a small user base and hence less data available regarding reliability.

Obviously you will get what you think is best, but for other interested parties with space constraints, don't be so quick to write off the stock HSF, of which there are many cheap new spares in the market. Just be sure to get the higher capacity copper based one!

/OT

Stock HSF user here on my 4770k (Blasphemy I know whatever). Hasn't been an issue in anyway whatsover yet. I'll get a big cooler soon to kill noise but for now my money is focused on my new dog!

 

[Luddite]

Looking to get SkyLake Xeon 16xx v.5 (4 or 6 cores) for a workstation.

1. Is this called 'Purley'?

2. When is the release time frame for SkyLake Xeons?

3. When would compatible mobos come out for these?

4. Anyone know what the clockspeeds and TDP would be?


Thanks.

Anyone?

 

[JonBlack]

Quote: Originally Posted by Luddite View Post Looking to get SkyLake Xeon 16xx v.5 (4 or 6 cores) for a workstation. 1. Is this called 'Purley'? 2. When is the release time frame for SkyLake Xeons? 3. When would compatible mobos come out for these? 4. Anyone know what the clockspeeds and TDP would be? Thanks. Anyone?

Is this what you are looking for?

http://www.theplatform.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/intel-kdm-roadmap-1.jpg

 

[Dufus]

It was based from the PCGH test. But I didn't read all the text properly, they wrote this is possible only for K-models. This info comes from Asus. PCGH tested only K-models, they couldn't verify this.

Fair enough.

Lower temps will be welcome. Do you know if this is Watt for Watt, ie lower Tjc and/or because SKL is using lower power?

BCLK OC with i7-6700K ES -- MSI Z170 Gaming 7

 

[Luddite]

Is this what you are looking for?

http://www.theplatform.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/intel-kdm-roadmap-1.jpg

I think so....is it the Grantley EP 1S workstation that I want? No wait, Grantley is the Haswell refresh, correct? So if I want SkyLake Xeons, that would be Purley in 2018?

I'm confused. The new names are throwing me off.

 

[RussianSensation]

Silverstone AR06 then, ill try to find a comparison vs the Zalman

Source

One major downside to the Zalman cooler is if the fan fails, it's basically toast. Also, it's very difficult to clean the dust on that type of cooler without a removable fan.

There are other coolers Tom's didn't test.

be quiet! Shadow Rock LP Low Profile CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._re=bequiet_shadow-_-9SIA68V2TR2312-_-Product

Source

Thermalright AXP-100 Muscle = I'd pick that over the Zalman since the fan is easily swappable and it's going to be far easier to clean the dust. It'll probably outperform the BeQuiet shadow rock too.

http://www.nansgaminggear.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AXP-100-Muscle

 

[RussianSensation]

I was thinking about that board too but read on EVGA forums about Z97 Stinger, people are having weird problems. BIOS is buggy, system is unstable etc, not only Stinger but all EVGA boards.

EVGA has a history of these quirks/problems ever since they started making mobos. I can't actually think of any generation when they didn't have issues. OK, all the big 4 brands have issues but just based on anecdotal evidence, I don't often see guys with unlimited budget going for EVGA boards and if they do, rave about them. Look at the prices of their boards towards the middle or end of their generation - they drop like a rock cuz no one wants their motherboards. They are usually full of glitches, bugs and stability issues.

Not to mention that if we start talking high quality components, Asrock (or Asus) it doesn't seem that EVGA uses stand-out premium components that often.

For example, Asrock's premium miniITX boards use:

Premium 60A Power Choke (what you find on the premium Hero and Rampage Asus boards)
- Premium Memory Alloy Choke
- Fairchild 60A Dual Cool™ DrMOS
^These 2 components ensure Asrock boards are either at the top or near the top as the most power efficient boards
- Nichicon 12K Platinum Caps
- Sapphire Black PCB

Plus, a proven track record of so many awards from so many countries/reviewers:

Look how feature stacked their X99 miniITX board is this gen.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/X99E-ITXac/

It's not one time either as they consistently make good miniITX boards:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z97E-ITXac/

Asrock has gotten so good in the last 3 years, but the consumer perception often lags far behind reality. Even Jay acknowledged that the Asrock X99X Killer was a better overclocking boards than the Asus X99 Deluxe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV2E7yZ1axs

I just don't see EVGA making a better miniITX board than Asrock or Asus who have a great track record for miniITX boards.

Fair enough.

Lower temps will be welcome. Do you know if this is Watt for Watt, ie lower Tjc and/or because SKL is using lower power?

BCLK OC with i7-6700K ES -- MSI Z170 Gaming 7

Wow, 4.6Ghz on 1.32V on 14nm is pretty disappointing. I was hoping by now with 14nm we could get 5-5.2Ghz on air.

If Skylake can't consistently hit 5Ghz+ on air and is only a 7-8% increase in IPC over Haswell (4790K), that would be very disappointing for a new CPU architecture from Intel. Since it already comes with 4.2Ghz clocks, 4.6Ghz is not even a 10% OC headroom. Hopefully this is just a limitation due to BCLK overclocking and with multiplier adjustment these chips could hit more.

USB3.1 isn't an incentive enough to upgrade since it's just a matter of time before add-on cards drop to the $20 range.

Broadwell is barely an improvement in power usage over 4790K so I don't see i7 6700K making great strides in that regard.

 

[Sweepr]

Looking to get SkyLake Xeon 16xx v.5 (4 or 6 cores) for a workstation.

1. Is this called 'Purley'?
2. When is the release time frame for SkyLake Xeons?

There's 2 single socket options, Xeon E3 v5 1200, Xeon E5 v5 1600.
The first one will be released later this year, the second will launch in 2017, codename Basin Falls. Purley tops out at 28-cores so I'd say Basin Falls will get at least 18-22 cores (don't know for sure).

4. Anyone know what the clockspeeds and TDP would be v3?

Similar to current Xeons.

 

[Sweepr]

Skylake-S prices in Germany

www.pcgameshardware.de/Skylake-Codename-259478/News/Intel-angebliche-Preise-fuer-sechs-CPUs-1166325

Core i7 6700K Geekbench score of the day:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3107147

Ps: 5.000+ views in 24 hours yesterday.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Thats about 240$ for the 6600K and about 345$ for the 6700K for those that want the dollarvalue. And they may drop further.

 

[Dufus]

Core i7 6700K Geekbench score of the day:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3107147

Nice scores but my guess is this is more in line with stock and probably the same system as in your link.

i7-6700K ST:4170 MT:16141
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3109169

 

[inf64]

Nice scores but my guess is this is more in line with stock and probably the same system as in your link.

i7-6700K ST:4170 MT:16141
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3109169

I agree . That link looks like a stock 6700K run and numbers are in line with it. The one Sweepr posted is done on x64 version of the benchmark(higher scores on x64) and most likely not at stock.

 

[Tovarisc]

~271€, 219 + 24% VAT, for Core i5-6600K confirms that I'm going to upgrade from old workhorse (i5 750) to Skylake come next week. I read somewhere that LGA1150 coolers, I'm looking at FD K24, will go to LGA1151, has there been any official confirmation on that? Considering pulling trigger on DDR4 kit and CPU cooler before release of platform.

 

[Sweepr]

Core i7 6700K vs Core i7 4790K @ CompuBench

https://compubench.com/compare.jsp?...=HD+Graphics+530&D2=Intel(R)+HD+Graphics+4600

Gen 9 showing its claws.
Edit: Both on Windows.

 

[dark zero]

Core i7 6700K vs Core i7 4790K @ CompuBench

https://compubench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=compu20&did1=26789307&os1=Windows&api1=cl&hwtype1=iGPU&hwname1=HD+Graphics+530&D2=Intel%28R%29+Core%28TM%29+i7-4790K+CPU

Gen 9 showing its claws.

So... Gen 9 is at Broadwell C GPU levels even without HMC!

Poor AMD and nVIDIA. Their low tier cards will end DOA when Skylake C comes.

And I am wondering if AMD and NVIDIA will make in time when Artic Islands and Pascal comes knowing the low ammount of HBM memory chips