Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

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Triskain

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Take a look at page 10 for our first Skylake die shot. No other Core series die looks like that one. The IVR's are gone and the layout of the Graphics part is completely different. I see some significant changes in the core layout as well.

Edit: Hmm, upon closer inspection it does look more like a Sandy Bridge die. Damn, I had hoped someone was careless enough to publish a genuine Skylake shot.
 
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Take a look at page 10 for our first Skylake die shot. No other Core series die looks like that one. The IVR's are gone and the layout of the Graphics part is completely different. I see some significant changes in the core layout as well.

Edit: Hmm, upon closer inspection it does look more like a Sandy Bridge die. Damn, I had hoped someone was careless enough to publish a genuine Skylake shot.

The CPU/GPU ratio looked too large for it to be Skylake
 

escrow4

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There may be a bright side to the delay. With modern overclocked i5/i7s, you generally have a peace of mind that your underlying mobo+ram+CPU will last 4-5 years in games, maybe longer. That allows a PC user today to allocate more funds towards more fun toys, like studio monitors/speakers/audiophile headphones, new monitor tech with FreeSync/GSync or generally superior PPI monitors from what they used 5-10 years ago, faster SSDs, new graphics card purchases and games! In the past we had to be more mindful of our budgets since we more or less knew that the rate of obsolescence of our CPU platform was a ticking time bomb.

I honestly don't mind at all that CPU progress has slowed down since it means I no longer have to worry about buying and reselling my CPU+Mobo+Memory every 2-3 years which was like clock for for me for the last decade. Honestly for games it's hard to imagine that even the i7 6700K @ 4.8Ghz would be a significant upgrade from an i7 2600K @ 4.6Ghz. I just don't see it. With DX12, it might actually be better to go more cores (i.e., 6-core 4.4Ghz 5820K) rather than 4 slightly faster cores (Skylake). Unfortunately we won't have DX12 gaming benchmarks by the time Skylake launches.

The downside to that is games don't push the envelope anymore. Partially because AAA plays it safe now but partially because there is nothing pushing PC tech. Imagine an RPG with Crysis level graphics and the scope of GTA with CD Projekt plotting. Won't happen because consoles but also because how many have the hardware to run it? We've had huge leaps in games that now seem to be stagnating.
 

IntelUser2000

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I honestly don't mind at all that CPU progress has slowed down since it means I no longer have to worry about buying and reselling my CPU+Mobo+Memory every 2-3 years which was like clock for for me for the last decade.

I can't understand why having a faster CPU available than what you have is an incentive to upgrade. I mean its not like graphics where requirements increase every year. Everyday usage feels fine, and those that need(read: not want) extra performance can either go buy a server CPU or need vastly better performance that can be offloaded to a GPU or an FPGA.

Obsolescence happens when what you have is too slow for the applications you use, not that there are better options out there.

I have to be frank that from now on CPU gains are going to be even smaller than ever. It seems engineers are picking the few leftover fruits on the very top of the tree in every area, architecture and process.
 

ShintaiDK

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Alpine Ridge is also the only way to get HDMI 2.0 natively. I assume the CPUs themselves will soon only have DP, while the LSPcon handles any conversion.
 

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I have to be frank that from now on CPU gains are going to be even smaller than ever. It seems engineers are picking the few leftover fruits on the very top of the tree in every area, architecture and process.

If the Mill architecture pans out, then there could be a huge jump in compute coming our way. Unfortunately it's still a few years away from silicon. Part of me hopes that Intel buys them out and either finds a way to integrate some of their ideas to x86, or rebrand it as "Itanium 3" and fulfill its original dream of displacing x86!
 

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So the 6700k is due august/September this year? I read that the "E" variants aren't coming until 2017. Not sure I can wait that long. This 3930k refuses to die. It won't die. Its not getting old despite being old. For Crying out loud.

This gave me a good laugh, thanks bud.

I don't have a 3930k but I have the same problem as you. I wnt Skylake-E but its too far away. And I don't want to invest in HSW-E or BW-E or x99.

I've noticed a pattern with my personal computer desires. Every year I've looked ahead and been like "I'm going to wait for the ____-E" Then it comes out, and the DT gets updated to the next gen core, making me go "hmm, maybe I will wait till next year's E with the updated core"

Then Ivy-E comes out, no good, another year. THen Haswell-E come out, no good another year. Rince, recycle, repeat. I really, really hate how the HEDT line is a generation, (soon to be 2) behind. It's really f'd up my desire to get one.
 

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did you also find Cote™? :biggrin:

Probably this is Israeli slang for pussycat
The presentation is real, I think, but the relevance to Sky Lake is minimal.
(In a later slide it says the heterogenous stuff was simulated, not measured on Sky Lake...)
As I said, a very confusing presentation...
 
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http://www.simplyhired.com/job/rtl-design-engineer-job/intel/bvsg4s25il
 

NTMBK

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It's not fake- it's hosted on the website of ChipEx, an Israeli microelectronics conference, where Intel engineers presented the talk. It's incredibly shoddily put together, but that's what happens when an engineer remembers two days before the deadline that he has to do a presentation when he really wants to be doing his work instead This clearly isn't a polished production from the PR department.

Anyway, from what I can tell from the talk, there's no "heterogenous" stuff going on in Skylake, apart from the integrated graphics and video encode/decode stuff. Don't expect Xeon Phi or Atom cores integrated into it! But they seem to be investigating the potential benefits of doing it, and trying to figure out good algorithms for switching between big and little cores, so it may happen at some point down the road.
 

B-Riz

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There may be a bright side to the delay. With modern overclocked i5/i7s, you generally have a peace of mind that your underlying mobo+ram+CPU will last 4-5 years in games, maybe longer. That allows a PC user today to allocate more funds towards more fun toys, like studio monitors/speakers/audiophile headphones, new monitor tech with FreeSync/GSync or generally superior PPI monitors from what they used 5-10 years ago, faster SSDs, new graphics card purchases and games! In the past we had to be more mindful of our budgets since we more or less knew that the rate of obsolescence of our CPU platform was a ticking time bomb.

I honestly don't mind at all that CPU progress has slowed down since it means I no longer have to worry about buying and reselling my CPU+Mobo+Memory every 2-3 years which was like clock for for me for the last decade. Honestly for games it's hard to imagine that even the i7 6700K @ 4.8Ghz would be a significant upgrade from an i7 2600K @ 4.6Ghz. I just don't see it. With DX12, it might actually be better to go more cores (i.e., 6-core 4.4Ghz 5820K) rather than 4 slightly faster cores (Skylake). Unfortunately we won't have DX12 gaming benchmarks by the time Skylake launches.

I feel the same way, and imagine others do too.

As much as I want a 6700K, I think I am waiting until Fall 2016 for DDR4, etc.

Socket 1155 has had 3 awesome chipsets, P67, Z68 and Z77 that has spoiled me for enjoying feature creep without new RAM and CPU's.

I have gotten more excited about having USB 3.0, SATA 6Gbps, Thunderbolt, and large, fast, cheap SSD's and cheap TB platter HDD's than anything else lately.

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Originally Posted by moonbogg
So the 6700k is due august/September this year? I read that the "E" variants aren't coming until 2017. Not sure I can wait that long. This 3930k refuses to die. It won't die. Its not getting old despite being old. For Crying out loud.

This gave me a good laugh, thanks bud.

I don't have a 3930k but I have the same problem as you. I wnt Skylake-E but its too far away. And I don't want to invest in HSW-E or BW-E or x99.

I've noticed a pattern with my personal computer desires. Every year I've looked ahead and been like "I'm going to wait for the ____-E" Then it comes out, and the DT gets updated to the next gen core, making me go "hmm, maybe I will wait till next year's E with the updated core"

Then Ivy-E comes out, no good, another year. THen Haswell-E come out, no good another year. Rince, recycle, repeat. I really, really hate how the HEDT line is a generation, (soon to be 2) behind. It's really f'd up my desire to get one.

Truth.

i5 2500k ruined me for wanting to buy HEDT again (X58 platform).
 

Sweepr

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Skylake boards from Biostar are coming in August

We still don't have official word from Intel on when to expect its next-gen Skylake processors. However, Biostar sent out a press release today that provides the clearest indication yet. The company's Gaming Z170X motherboard is designed for the chips, and it's slated to be available in August. Compatible CPUs will presumably be available around the same timeframe.



The Gaming Z170X has everything you'd expect from an enthusiast-oriented Skylake board. There are multiple PCIe x16 slots for graphics, quad DDR4 slots for memory, and an M.2 slot for mini SSDs. Putting M.2 drives right under the primary graphics card probably isn't great for thermals, though.

The feature list includes Type-C USB 3.1 connectivity and dual Gigabit Ethernet controllers. Onboard overclocking buttons abound, while plastic "armor" covers multiple regions. It looks like there are a couple of SATA Express ports on the right edge, as well.

A promo for Biostar's latest "built for gamers" video is also tucked into the press release. The footage dates back to April, and the cheese factor is nearly off the charts.

http://techreport.com/news/28450/skylake-boards-from-biostar-are-coming-in-august
 
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